*Limerick GAA news/discussion thread*

Fireball07

(1) Eoin McNamara (Doon) (Capt)
(2) Jack O'Grady (Knockainey)
(3) Micheál Bourke (Garryspillane)
(4) Conor McSweeney (South Liberties)
(5) Conor Byrnes (Murroe Boher)
(6) Paddy O'Loughlin (Kilmallock)
(7) Thomas Grimes (Na Piarsaigh)
(8) Colum Carroll (Ahane)
(9) Thomas Hayes (Doon)
(10) Kyle Hayes (Kildimo Pallaskenry)
(11) Ciaran O'Connor (Kilmallock)
(12) Darragh Carroll (Kilteely Dromkeen)
(13) Barry Murphy (Doon)
(14) Seamus Flanagan (Feohanagh Castlemahon)
(15) Peter Casey (Na Piarsaigh)


(16) Mark O'Kelly (Croom)
(17) Conor Boylan (Na Piarsaigh)
(18) David Hannon (Pallasgreen)
(19) Willie O'Meara (Askeaton)
(20) Cian Magner Flynn (Kileedy)
(21) Paudie Ahern (Kileedy)
(22) Brian McPartland (Doon)
(23) Eoin Ryan (Adare)
(24) Kyle Dillon (Bruff)
(25) Finn Hourigan (Murroe Boher)
(26) Willie Hurley (Newcastlewest)

Browney7

Well done to the footballers staying in division 3! Great achievement and themselves and the management should be proud. Keeping whatever football flame there is flickering in difficult circumstances. Delighted for them. Hopefully they can get some sort of run in the championship this year.

Fireball07

Breakdown of clubs for the minor panel:

Starting 15: (11 different clubs represented)
Doon- 3
Kilmallock- 2
Na Piarsaigh- 2
Ahane- 1
Feoghanagh/Castlemahon- 1
Garryspillane- 1
Kildimo/Pallaskenry- 1
Kilteely/Dromkeen- 1
Knockainey- 1
Murroe/Boher- 1
South Liberties- 1

Match Day Panel: (18 clubs represented)
Doon- 4
Na Piarsaigh- 3
Killeedy- 2
Kilmallock- 2
Murroe/Boher- 2
Adare- 1
Ahane- 1
Askeaton- 1
Bruff- 1
Croom- 1
Feoghanagh/Castlemahon- 1
Garryspillane- 1
Kildimo/Pallaskenry- 1
Kilteely/Dromkeen- 1
Knockainey- 1
Newcastlewest- 1
Pallasgreen- 1
South Liberties- 1

Extended Panel: (19 clubs represented)
Doon- 4
Na Piarsaigh- 4
Kilmallock- 3
Adare- 3
Ahane- 2
Kildimo/Pallaskenry- 2
Killeedy- 2
Murroe/Boher- 2
South Liberties- 2
Askeaton- 1
Bruff- 1
Croom- 1
Feoghanagh/Castlemahon- 1
Garryspillane- 1
Kilteely/Dromkeen- 1
Knockainey- 1
Monaleen- 1
Newcastlewest- 1
Pallasgreen- 1



A good mix of clubs for sure. And while the current biggest clubs are at the top- I think most people would regard Doon, Na Piarsaigh, Kilmallock and Adare as clearly the best 4 teams in the county for the past couple of years, there is a representation from smaller clubs... plenty of teams who are currently intermediate or lower- Newcastlewest, Askeaton, Kildimo/Pallaskenry, Feoghanagh/Castlemahon, Killeedy, Kilteely/Dromkeen.


Nobody from Patrickswell though which is fairly unusual. None from Mungret either who are in the top division of the Minor Hurling Championship and would have a very large pick (so are the Well). Also none from Ballybrown.

Fireball07

Seamus Flanagan just got a goal! Up by 6 points early on... bit shít that it's not on the radio.

Fireball07

Cork goal

washman3

Limerick lead 1-9 to 1-6 at half time

washman3

Cork 1-10 Limerick 1-09 after 40 mins

Fireball07

1-12 to 1-10 now, Cork seem to be dominating.

Fireball07

And another goal for Cork, now we're in a spot of bother.

washman3

2-13 to 1-11 Cork well on top now. 15 mins left

Mehapoy

washman3 wrote: »

Limerick lead 1-9 to 1-6 at half time

Spectacular second half collapse, 3 or 4 points in the half with the breeze, very dissapointing with the experience in the team...could be a short season, limerick hurling on a downer so far this year...

washman3

Cork win 2-20 Limerick 1-13. Limerick only scored 4pts in 2nd half. Its the 'backdoor' now.
The 'experts' say we play loser or Tipp/Waterford now with Cork again waiting the winner of that one in a semi.

washman3

Mehapoy wrote: »

Spectacular second half collapse, 3 or 4 points in the half with the breeze, very dissapointing with the experience in the team...could be a short season, limerick hurling on a downer so far this year...

minor grade is strange and very unpredictable. Dublin beat Kilkenny easily last year in Leinster championship but the cats went on to win A.I.
We beat Waterford in Munster 2 years ago, yet they won A.I.

Its possible we could have Cork in G/Grounds in a semi if we overcome the other loser tonight, anything could happen, nothing to lose, as little was expected of minors this year.

paddy no 11

Ah that was crap in the end, usual mistakes, easing up before half time and conceding the vital scores then, the second half is almost irrelevant match was lost there


Started the far superior team, both sides played sweeper and it benefited limerick hugely, played smart ball up the wing and got scores, direct ball to flanagan and he hammered home a brilliant goal, simple hurling and we were well on top. 6 points up and then eased up and made stupid errors to throw the game away before HT. A stupid hand pass intercepted led to goal.

Second half was a disaster couldnt win high ball, cork dominated in the air and out weaknesses were seriously exposed. We should have kept the sweeper in place but instead just let cork dictate tactics and were well beaten because of it.

Full back line good, No 2 was excellent

Half backs were poor, all 3 were repeatedly caught in possession which led directly to crucial scores for cork. one player should not be playing in the next round

Midfield well beaten

Half forwards, the 19 O'Meara should have started, O'Connor was poor, hayes good, carroll no impression

Full forwards were brilliant just give them the ball please

In short when we played smart ball we won when we started short passing and losing the ball in possession we lost, need a couple of changes for next game. full lines good everything in between needs to improve a lot

Fireball07

paddy no 11 wrote: »

Ah that was crap in the end, usual mistakes, easing up before half time and conceding the vital scores then, the second half is almost irrelevant match was lost there


Started the far superior team, both sides played sweeper and it benefited limerick hugely, played smart ball up the wing and got scores, direct ball to flanagan and he hammered home a brilliant goal, simple hurling and we were well on top. 6 points up and then eased up and made stupid errors to throw the game away before HT. A stupid hand pass intercepted led to goal.

Second half was a disaster couldnt win high ball, cork dominated in the air and out weaknesses were seriously exposed. We should have kept the sweeper in place but instead just let cork dictate tactics and were well beaten because of it.

Full back line good, No 2 was excellent

Half backs were poor, all 3 were repeatedly caught in possession which led directly to crucial scores for cork. one player should not be playing in the next round

Midfield well beaten

Half forwards, the 19 O'Meara should have started, O'Connor was poor, hayes good, carroll no impression

Full forwards were brilliant just give them the ball please

In short when we played smart ball we won when we started short passing and losing the ball in possession we lost, need a couple of changes for next game. full lines good everything in between needs to improve a lot

Disappointing to hear about the half-back line considering all of them played in last year's final. Grimes is possibly better in a looser role though.

Not unexpected about the full-forward line being good, but maybe one or two of them should be played out the field if we were getting cleaned between the 45s?? What do you think?

Good to hear Kyle Hayes had a good game at least. Very disappointing result in the end though.

paddy no 11

Fireball07 wrote: »

Disappointing to hear about the half-back line considering all of them played in last year's final. Grimes is possibly better in a looser role though.

Not unexpected about the full-forward line being good, but maybe one or two of them should be played out the field if we were getting cleaned between the 45s?? What do you think?

Good to hear Kyle Hayes had a good game at least. Very disappointing result in the end though.

Yeah Casey played out the field and was very good, sorry for the lazy journalism. Cleaned out in midfield. Yeah half backs were poor. Grimes cant start at Half back next day. Paddy was generally good except for one terrible block down and one or two other errors. Byrnes just wasnt good enough tonight. Not a bad team but havee to strengthen the centre somehow, casey will have to move out completely I reckon.

commonsense.

paddy no 11 wrote:

Started the far superior team, both sides played sweeper and it benefited limerick hugely.

Small point but Lmk played a sweeper from throw in while Cork lined out with the conventional 6 back. Obviously when Lmk removed one forward to act as sweeper that leaves one Cork back free. Ultimately hard to win at minor level when you only have 5 forwards. Dalos obsession with sweeper system possibly not the best idea at this level?

Mehapoy

commonsense. wrote: »

Small point but Lmk played a sweeper from throw in while Cork lined out with the conventional 6 back. Obviously when Lmk removed one forward to act as sweeper that leaves one Cork back free. Ultimately hard to win at minor level when you only have 5 forwards. Dalos obsession with sweeper system possibly not the best idea at this level?

Is the play off against waterford at home or away? Will do well to beat them if it's away as they put in a good performance against tipp, even allowing for Thurles's run to the colleges all ireland final...need to address what ever happened last night, to be 6 or 7 up and to lose by 10 is not good reflection on the management...obviously minor is hard to predict how they'll react and the games seesaw a lot more but to be in a winning position and to crumble is not good, like the bad old days when we were regularly getting beat 10-12 points in the minor...waterford have been competitive at minor for at least 10 years now and give anybody a hard game every year, so it can be done

thinkstoomuch1

This unfoynatelyis true from a limerick view and I posted as much in a long post in December that daly is good manager not a coach and him leo dynamic balance all wrong and I said it then that limerick under age elite performance Wallis built will be in decline under current set up cork didn't even pick their strongest team as last three lads playing out position with three definitely starters on the bench the next day


Cork were holding back in the ist half clearly as I thought they would in the ist half and they just intent growing in to the game, cork had game changer on bench limerick didn't
Limerick panel not very strong but it not surprising as daly leo imo never as good as Wallis
Touch and striking was poor shower poor coaching
As I said in December niall moran or declan Fitzgerald should been with this team
Daly is better manager he's not a coach
Again only limerick team real chance success imo this year and for foreseeable future is the under twenty ones, the senior and minors are unfortunately in decline imo

Waterford are going to be a huge ask for limerick now
Daly only play a sweeper he has no plan
Tj Ryan play orthodox but no sweeper
You need a plan a and plan b

thinkstoomuch1

Mehapoy wrote: »

Is the play off against waterford at home or away? Will do well to beat them if it's away as they put in a good performance against tipp, even allowing for Thurles's run to the colleges all ireland final...need to address what ever happened last night, to be 6 or 7 up and to lose by 10 is not good reflection on the management...obviously minor is hard to predict how they'll react and the games seesaw a lot more but to be in a winning position and to crumble is not good, like the bad old days when we were regularly getting beat 10-12 points in the minor...waterford have been competitive at minor for at least 10 years now and give anybody a hard game every year, so it can be done

It's in the gaelic grounds which may be yere only saving grace

N20

Mehapoy wrote: »

Is the play off against waterford at home or away? Will do well to beat them if it's away as they put in a good performance against tipp, even allowing for Thurles's run to the colleges all ireland final...need to address what ever happened last night, to be 6 or 7 up and to lose by 10 is not good reflection on the management...obviously minor is hard to predict how they'll react and the games seesaw a lot more but to be in a winning position and to crumble is not good, like the bad old days when we were regularly getting beat 10-12 points in the minor...waterford have been competitive at minor for at least 10 years now and give anybody a hard game every year, so it can be done

game is in Limerick in 3 or 4 weeks but it seems Waterford only edged out by Tipperary

Limerick need to regroup, Cork completely overran them when they got a grip on game despite Limericks promising start

the concentration of Flanagan Casey Murphy on inside line will have to be broken up and will Mackey be back for next round????

Cork certainly the better team last night with Shane Kingston outstanding - standout player on pitch with 1-5 from play and 4 from frees

thinkstoomuch1

N20 wrote: »

game is in Limerick in 3 or 4 weeks but it seems Waterford only edged out by Tipperary

Limerick need to regroup, Cork completely overran them when they got a grip on game despite Limericks promising start

the concentration of Flanagan Casey Murphy on inside line will have to be broken up and will Mackey be back for next round????

Cork certainly the better team last night with Shane Kingston outstanding - standout player on pitch with 1-5 from play and 4 from frees

Doubtful regards mackey likely but Ryan and hoilhan may be back


Flangan is not a full forward and should not been left there
Key questions is are this management capable learning from the mistakes last night and evolve the team
I doubt it very much but talent is in limerick, coaching is the problem

N20

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

This unfoynatelyis true from a limerick view and I posted as much in a long post in December that daly is good manager not a coach and him leo dynamic balance all wrong and I said it then that limerick under age elite performance Wallis built will be in decline under current set up cork didn't even pick their strongest team as last three lads playing out position with three definitely starters on the bench the next day


Cork were holding back in the ist half clearly as I thought they would in the ist half and they just intent growing in to the game, cork had game changer on bench limerick didn't
Limerick panel not very strong but it not surprising as daly leo imo never as good as Wallis
Touch and striking was poor shower poor coaching
As I said in December niall moran or declan Fitzgerald should been with this team
Daly is better manager he's not a coach
Again only limerick team real chance success imo this year and for foreseeable future is the under twenty ones, the senior and minors are unfortunately in decline imo

Waterford are going to be a huge ask for limerick now
Daly only play a sweeper he has no plan
Tj Ryan play orthodox but no sweeper
You need a plan a and plan b

Sorry now but no way Denis Ring picked an under strenght team and told them to pace themselves or hold back first half - against a county utterly dominant in underage hurling last few years - and Cork with a desperate record by comparison

I think Cork were the better team and grew into the game - had the goal not gone in before half time the half time deficit could have been much greater and who knows what might have happened second half

i respect that's your opinion but I think its a crazy assertion to be honest

thinkstoomuch1

Your missing my point said many times cork wanted to win but this is not cork strongest team and anyone knows cork scene knows this o leary outstanding hurler but half back nor corner he practical destroyed limerick in under 17 game this year at half

O leary is not midfielder while played sweeper is better at six
Lowmy is good but cashman better centre back or conor cahalane

Looney is certain starters as it gunning and dunne is good but looney is better

Cormac nit full forward but better half

Point is cork picked team physical wise stay with limerick and then after half time injected pace to the team
Cork have stronger team and did not show full hand cause may meet again

With the huge expectation on cork it was normal they would start slow and take a while to settle
Limerick were never going to win this but I did expect a closer game

paddy no 11

In fairness Flanagan done damage inside (thought he was fouled a few times too) and he was brought out for about 10 minutes in the 2nd half. But yeah he probably needs to go to half forward. Limerick should have sat a man in front of Kingston when they were leading as he was only cork player who looked threatening.

thinkstoomuch1

paddy no 11 wrote: »

In fairness Flanagan done damage inside (thought he was fouled a few times too) and he was brought out for about 10 minutes in the 2nd half. But yeah he probably needs to go to half forward. Limerick should have sat a man in front of Kingston when they were leading as he was only cork player who looked threatening.

That's where real tactics good management come in to play

Cork learned from the ist half but limerick didn't
This is not or will not be the ist time daly sweeper was not utilised efficency
There's a different in playing a sweeper and played it correctly
Paddy loughin imo was outstanding but has go full back the next day

thinkstoomuch1

Mehapoy wrote: »

Is the play off against waterford at home or away? Will do well to beat them if it's away as they put in a good performance against tipp, even allowing for Thurles's run to the colleges all ireland final...need to address what ever happened last night, to be 6 or 7 up and to lose by 10 is not good reflection on the management...obviously minor is hard to predict how they'll react and the games seesaw a lot more but to be in a winning position and to crumble is not good, like the bad old days when we were regularly getting beat 10-12 points in the minor...waterford have been competitive at minor for at least 10 years now and give anybody a hard game every year, so it can be done

Just regards management while bring in padraig Harrington looks good and yes can be applauded for motivation talk imo not much good if basics coaching and tactical astute game management is not up to it


Do the basics ist then add the rest

There's many examples of difference imo in dropping standard from this set up coaching to Wallis but I'll give one example

Threw weeks ago limerick played KK in a challenge match yet they went to the wrong ptich and daly said this in he's article paper

Now fair enough not the be and end all but Wallis this would never happened
He's attention detail was second to none, he knew from weather to state ptich played, challenge matches opposite teams played, who scored who played where and we'll, knew everything about he's team opponents and anything do with match, knew referee in what type game he favoured
Daly could be excellent senior manager maybe for senior hurling certainly better than tj Ryan but not coach for undrr age team and had poor record in clsre club teams

He good manager with good people around him
But limerick minors have too managers in him and leo and imo no coach
Niall moran would be outstanding coach or declan Fitzgerald who knows limerick hurling upside down and inside out and I was wrong in ul walks to fresher all Ireland under him but I was right won it still under him

Daly was imo profile appointment in big name and not imo best move for this set up
He's imo being groomed for senior management here down line
You need someone in director role in it for the long haul imo to have sustained elite high performance excellence as limerick has huge talent under age
Go to doon v na Piarsaigh county under twenty one final this week and it's clear see talent in limerick under age
But talent needs coaching to the next level

paddy no 11

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

That's where real tactics good management come in to play

Cork learned from the ist half but limerick didn't
This is not or will not be the ist time daly sweeper was not utilised efficency
There's a different in playing a sweeper and played it correctly
Paddy loughin imo was outstanding but has go full back the next day

I wouldnt move Paddy back, our FB line was ok, the two half backs were poor so would leave paddy there. I agree about daly though. I really dont think he'll cut it, either this year or next year if given the senior job.

thinkstoomuch1

paddy no 11 wrote: »

I wouldnt move Paddy back, our FB line was ok, the two half backs were poor so would leave paddy there. I agree about daly though. I really dont think he'll cut it, either this year or next year if given the senior job.

Fair points

Problem limerick ccb have is with treatment of Wallis o grady and cunningham they backed themselves in to a corner in not actually many viable managers outside county available bar daly and proven again inside manager is not limerick need and no one up that standard as need cultural change from long direct style and imo only happen if outsider is there

Daly really is limerick only viable option and kinnerk will never imo said this in august take job limerick senior hurling as wants possession game and he's going clare again
Daly has he flaws but he would be much much better than tj Ryan who imo appointment was always going to be exposed as poor choice with passing of time as results showed

Cu Baire

Everyone has their own opinions and are entitled to hold them.

I have to disagree with some poster's assessments of the performance of some Limerick players.
In no way could Paddy O Loughlin or Peter Casey be described as having good games. Both were unsuited to their positions. POL has his fans but needs to speed up his hurling to play at this level. PC is a fine hurler but not a player to be sent to compete in the air around midfield with taller more mobile players.

Fair play to young Jack O Grady he was Limerick's only outstanding player. Barry Murphy was on fire but got no usable ball in the 2nd half.

Willie O Meara should start the next day but none of the 3 starting half forwards were even slightly effective.

How the sideline did not bring SF out the field after Cork's 2nd goal is unforgiveable.