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Deise_2012

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Look Davy not my friend and again just since I went against waterford thank you for new found loyalty my posts with same remarks yet you will not answer points debate when asked
No one can deny fifteen men have advantage half hurling go such is intensity physics demands out there
Nothing do with Davy but a logical thought but look your entitled to your view and I respect it but disagree as I know your not which is fair enough fan waterford last manager get them to an all Ireland

what debate did you want? last time we were debating you said when Waterford win National league titles, they have a terrible Championship, and then couldn't back up your argument..

You'll criticise Limerick management team and their tactics but never Clare?

Deise_2012

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Shefflin said it four all star out now man down and lot more hooking blocking on tip ist half huge huge ask and sheedy fancied clare start said limerick now win

Game is effectively over and clare so tired with no bench and effort stay in game could blow up last quarter and limerick could win easily

Why are Clare so tired? the guy got sent off at half time. It was 15v15

thinkstoomuch1

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Why are Clare so tired? the guy got sent off at half time. It was 15v15

A game is two halves

I'm on about match and like shefflin said work rate fourteen man has be greater huge huge ask and clare imo will tire

I'll critse Davy where due but down fourteen man

Deise_2012

Referee just made some balls up of that

thinkstoomuch1

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Referee just made some balls up of that

Intent was there be fair had to go but down man fifteen minutes you likely survive
Clare look out on their feet

Deise_2012

Why did O'Connor only get a yellow? he did same thing

thinkstoomuch1

I was right my prediction limerick won congratulations


But I was clare man id be far happier than limerick man

Depleted squad down man twenty minutes start half they showed some resolve grit and heart

Limerick showed huge resolve heart grit but tactically imo haven't improved by much and one point win struggled win should won more shows how far limerick off an all Ireland


Clare will beat them if meet croke park
If tipp have bottle and grit remains concern they will beat tipp imo

niallo27

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Why did O'Connor only get a yellow? he did same thing

In fairness he didn't dig the Hurley in. Must be the fastest sending off ever.

niallo27

Your man lynch is some hurler. He will win frees all day.

Cheese Wagstaff

niallo27 wrote: »

Your man lynch is some hurler. He will win frees all day.

Lynchy is a genius, he's on a different level to any kid I've seen hurl in Limerick before. We are lucky to have him, a real one in a million talent. He showed he has everything that it takes to perform on the big day, with bags of skill and ability to entertain the crowd.

We dug it out and we deserved the win overall, so thrilled. I haven't a clue why Cunningham wasn't starting. In 10 minutes, he showed his ability to be far superior to O'Donnell, O'Connell and Reidy. A two man full forward line of him and Conor McGrath would be absolutely frightening.

eoins23456

Cheese Wagstaff wrote: »

Lynchy is a genius, he's on a different level to any kid I've seen hurl in Limerick before. We are lucky to have him, a real one in a million talent. He showed he has everything that it takes to perform on the big day, with bags of skill and ability to entertain the crowd.

We dug it out and we deserved the win overall, so thrilled. I haven't a clue why Cunningham wasn't starting. In 10 minutes, he showed his ability to be far superior to O'Donnell, O'Connell and Reidy. A two man full forward line of him and Conor McGrath would be absolutely frightening.

Three man full forward line of himself , O'donnell and Mcgrath would be better

cnoc

Cheese Wagstaff wrote: »

Lynchy is a genius, he's on a different level to any kid I've seen hurl in Limerick before. We are lucky to have him, a real one in a million talent. He showed he has everything that it takes to perform on the big day, with bags of skill and ability to entertain the crowd.

We dug it out and we deserved the win overall, so thrilled. I haven't a clue why Cunningham wasn't starting. In 10 minutes, he showed his ability to be far superior to O'Donnell, O'Connell and Reidy. A two man full forward line of him and Conor McGrath would be absolutely frightening.

SO'D may not have scored too much but he certainly did a lot of donkey work. I would not have him taken off imo.

Cheese Wagstaff

cnoc wrote: »

SO'D may not have scored too much but he certainly did a lot of donkey work. I would not have him taken off imo.

That he did, that can't be denied. However, he was put on the edge of the square to contribute on the score board. He was Clare's main goal threat, and he didn't really threaten in that department. I don't think he is as good as he is made out to be compared to others, that would be my opinion on that.

Deise_2012

Cheese Wagstaff wrote: »

That he did, that can't be denied. However, he was put on the edge of the square to contribute on the score board. He was Clare's main goal threat, and he didn't really threaten in that department. I don't think he is as good as he is made out to be compared to others, that would be my opinion on that.

You're writing him off based on 1 Championship game?

zetecescort

Deise_2012 wrote: »

You're writing him off based on 1 Championship game?

first game since the All Ireland replay too, how is he supposed to prove himself

Cheese Wagstaff

Deise_2012 wrote: »

You're writing him off based on 1 Championship game?

zetecescort wrote: »

first game since the All Ireland replay too, how is he supposed to prove himself

I'm not writing him off at all. I've seen him plenty of times, and I just don't think he is the all-singing, all-dancing forward that he is made out to be. If that offends people, so be it.

Deise_2012

Cheese Wagstaff wrote: »

I'm not writing him off at all. I've seen him plenty of times, and I just don't think he is the all-singing, all-dancing forward that he is made out to be. If that offends people, so be it.

He was basically injured all last season. How have you seen him plenty of times?

Cheese Wagstaff

Deise_2012 wrote: »

He was basically injured all last season. How have you seen him plenty of times?

So basically, only championship games count for your metric, fair enough. You won't sway me. Let's move on.

Very worried at how anonymous our half-forward line was today. Dodge was ineffective, and Hannon was shockingly peripheral. Browney put in a decent shift, but he's had better days.

Deise_2012

Cheese Wagstaff wrote: »

So basically, only championship games count for your metric, fair enough. You won't sway me. Let's move on.

Very worried at how anonymous our half-forward line was today. Dodge was ineffective, and Hannon was shockingly peripheral. Browney put in a decent shift, but he's had better days.

Ok fair enough... you must have missed his display in Kilkenny

Fireball07

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I was right my prediction limerick won congratulations


But I was clare man id be far happier than limerick man

Depleted squad down man twenty minutes start half they showed some resolve grit and heart

Limerick showed huge resolve heart grit but tactically imo haven't improved by much and one point win struggled win should won more shows how far limerick off an all Ireland


Clare will beat them if meet croke park
If tipp have bottle and grit remains concern they will beat tipp imo

Were Clare & Limerick not missing the same amount of players today? And Downes couldn't even be used as a sub really, nowhere near full fitness. Collins & Galvin aren't coming back, so are Clare going to have a depleted squad for the whole year?

Tactically, the whole game was a bit of a mess tbh. Two teams attempting to play tactics and not fully able to do it. The fact that we've only been focusing on that running, overlap style for a few weeks means that I think we can improve it, but it does need a big improvement. Think we need to make a couple of changes up front.

But Davy's decision to start playing a sweeper again when it was 14 vs 14 killed Clare's momentum and was probably the winning of the match for Limerick. Mad call.


Tipp are a level above either of these teams based on this, but we've got a month to improve. Game is likely to be much more open against Tipp, who do play a 3rd midfielder but rarely a sweeper.

paddy no 11

nRight, happy to win but we made hard work of it.

Tactics were really poor in the first half. Puck outs were a joke went long everytime,played the ball into Clares extra man everytime, why not go short and keep them honest and feed ball direct into our excellent full forward line.

The sweeper worked for us in that we didn't concede any goals until down to 14 and cunninghams introduction.

Cant believe Downes wasn't brought on to win ball in the last 10

If Clare lined out at full strength today we would have lost, still need a huge improvement in delivery of ball into our forwards.

Fitness was there and hopefully we can build to peak later in year (as we thought was the plan)

The short passing gameplan didn't really get going or prove to be effective but this is the first time they tried it in a competitive environment so not really surprising.

Barry Hennessey - Didn't have a good view of incident in first half but looked an error could have been costly, where would Aaron Murphy have landed his puck outs in first half?

Walsh - I'm still not sure if he's up to it

Richie - came good, will only improve

Hickey - very good

SOB - Brilliant debut, but he's not a defender, marking Conlon from in front under a high ball is suicidal, Management should have this sorted out, not good enough from them

GOM - Excellent

Condon - not good, conceded crap frees, dropped ball cold, covered no ground as sweeper. One heroic point has guts but we need more

Jim bob - his usual self

POB - anonymous for large parts, good scores but cant take on a man, himself and JB go sideways too much need more direction

10 - Dodge - was combative at least

11 - largely anonymous

Browne - poor touch all day, never again at HF for me

13 - Brilliant, won us the game in the end when it mattered, leader on field

14 - Threatened early, was fouled and won frees, hit some great frees but needs to increase concentration on all frees

15 - Brilliant what a debut

Tobin - wtf
Morrissey - bag of nerves
Fitz - very good
Downes N/A

We have a serious problem in defence, 2 players going up for same ball regularly, defending from in front against the likes of conlon and leaving acres of space behind, not meeting the man with the ball and letting him run clean through.

We need breen and or downes for puckouts, and to drive at the opposition we need to attach directly, this will also prevent us from coming too deep and generating pressure in our defence.

Downes or breen in the next day, bring wayne mac back in for condon as well.

Tomas Ryan is the real answer at half back, disappointed not to see him in 26 today

Fireball07

I disagree with a lot of your summations there paddy tbh, I'll watch the match back and see over the next week or so but I thought some of the players you say were poor were our best players and visa versa too.


If I was giving MotM, it would probably be to Lynch but Condon & Paudie, along with Jim-Bob would be next in line.


I also think Barry Hennessy was looking to go short with the puckouts whenever possible, but Clare were pushing up pretty high so he couldn't risk it. I don't know about the puckouts tbh, I thought we did reasonably well considering we don't have a great ballwinner in that line, Paudie worked really hard for them. Conlon was superb for Clare, probably their best player.

paddy no 11

Walsh was free for every puck out, we never went short.

POB wasn't bad, but went missing for a large part of 2nd half, maybe because he was on far side of field to me! his touch needs to improve, he can be a lot better is more what I'm getting at rather than being very poor today. Would have to disagree on condon, the outstanding point aside (from our only short puck out iirc)

Fireball07

paddy no 11 wrote: »

Walsh was free for every puck out, we never went short.

POB wasn't bad, but went missing for a large part of 2nd half, maybe because he was on far side of field to me! his touch needs to improve, he can be a lot better is more what I'm getting at rather than being very poor today. Would have to disagree on condon, the outstanding point aside (from our only short puck out iirc)

I thought pretty much every time Tony Kelly got near the ball, Condon was there to snuff him out. I thought it was an odd decision to have him as a free man tbh, I would have thought he'd be the man to take Conlon and let SOB roam, but I thought he hurled an amount of ball, was strong in the tackle and worked hard. Thought his yellow card was a joke aswell on first viewing.


I thought it was Paudie's best performance for Limerick since 2012.


As far as I could tell, Paudie was the wing-forward for most of the game with Browne at midfield.

Cheese Wagstaff

paddy no 11 wrote: »

nRight, happy to win but we made hard work of it.

POB - anonymous for large parts, good scores but cant take on a man, himself and JB go sideways too much need more direction

10 - Dodge - was combative at least

11 - largely anonymous

Browne - poor touch all day, never again at HF for me

13 - Brilliant, won us the game in the end when it mattered, leader on field

14 - Threatened early, was fouled and won frees, hit some great frees but needs to increase concentration on all frees

15 - Brilliant what a debut

I'd agree with a lot of that but I thought that Paudie was excellent, close to MOTM for me. Cian was outstanding, and I hope he continues to light up the championship for the whole summer. I think Dodge will lose his place to Breen when he's fit again. He's still valuable to us, but only sparingly now, for the last 15-20 minutes when cool heads and experience are required.

paddy no 11

Right, it seems I'm wrong on Paidi, will accept yer opinions

Cheese Wagstaff

Watching the Sunday Game now, Pat O'Connor should take a good long look at himself for blatant simulation. That was in no way a red card. Shocking stuff.

Also, Aaron Cunningham's goals. Sheer class, the second one particularly. Pace, power and skill. Beautiful to watch.

CheltenhamJ

Just a comment on hannon , he was so anonymous , I can't recall him striking a shot on goal , can't understand he lasted as long and it's not like he has had a string of fine performances , lynch immense and mulcahy too , Tobin will be back too with downes and Breen - lots to look fwd to

Fireball07

Just looking at the Sunday Game there, I thought at the time that the goals were soft but we actually didn't do that badly. Unbelievable runs, unbelievable finishes. Hickey was left for dead the second time but was unlucky to slip the first time. Both great finishes, Barry Hennessy almost got to the second one.


Tobin's red card still looks very very very very soft. Very. I couldn't see a strike at all tbh.

paddy no 11

Tobin did not strike, but the two idiots in the studio couldn't say that.