M11/N30 - Gorey to Enniscorthy [open to traffic]

red_bairn

yeyeye wrote:

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daraghwal wrote:

M11 are a good bit ahead of schedule apparently

When is the completion date and could this be changed if they have progressed quite quickly?

kneemos

red_bairn wrote: »

When is the completion date and could this be changed if they have progressed quite quickly?

Around the end of next year I believe is the estimated completion date.

EverythingGood

red_bairn wrote: »

When is the completion date and could this be changed if they have progressed quite quickly?

Most contracts of this type would have bonuses built in for early completion, so I reckon it is in their interest to complete early, plus all them Spanish lads probably want to get home asap too, they'll be fed up of Lidl at this stage!

JupiterKid

I really wish this thread had more pictures of this scheme progressing. The lack of pics compared to the M17/M18 thread is stark.

EverythingGood

JupiterKid wrote: »

I really wish this thread had more pictures of this scheme progressing. The lack of pics compared to the M17/M18 thread is stark.

Off you go with a camera.....

viper87

kneemos wrote: »

Around the end of next year I believe is the estimated completion date.

According to the scheme signs, the expected competition date is mid 2019.

Wexford county council has put up some done video from March of this year:

M11
https://youtu.be/pa1Tlzv0Dpw

N30/N80 https://youtu.be/hDNc5GApsCo

Cantona's Collars

JupiterKid wrote: »

I really wish this thread had more pictures of this scheme progressing. The lack of pics compared to the M17/M18 thread is stark.

Hard to get access to many parts,some areas where works are taking place are inaccessible unless you go cross country or along the site itself.
The new bridge over the Ballyorrill section will be started within the week,I'll stick up some pics when it's started.
Clearance works are apace on the Solsborogh section linking Scarawalsh with the M11.A trek through the fields is called for to see a lot of it.

Cantona's Collars

I got a couple of pics and will stick them up when I get a chance.I had the pleasure of standing beside a skip full of dead animals to take one as it was the only vantage point I had.

Chris_5339762

EverythingGood wrote: »

Most contracts of this type would have bonuses built in for early completion

That used to be the case back in the good times but AFAIK early completion bonuses were removed for the recent PPPs (Newlands/M11 gap etc).

kneemos

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

That used to be the case back in the good times but AFAIK early completion bonuses were removed for the recent PPPs (Newlands/M11 gap etc).

Hard to see any advantage to the Government for an early completion. Certainty not one worth paying for.

JupiterKid

It's great to see this scheme making such good progress but I can't help but think that the M20 Cork to Limerick route was a much greater priority in both safety and strategic terms.

If I was cynical I'd guess that this and the New Ross bypass being progressed has to do with Brendan Howlin.

kneemos

JupiterKid wrote: »

It's great to see this scheme making such good progress but I can't help but think that the M20 Cork to Limerick route was a much greater priority in both safety and strategic terms.

If I was cynical I'd guess that this and the New Ross bypass being progressed has to do with Brendan Howlin.

Don't think you even need to be cynical. Pretty good roads in place already albeit huge bottlenecks in both towns.
The Waterford to Cork road is another route that could do with upgrading.

Cantona's Collars

Rosslare Harbour and Waterford port traffic heading through Co.Wexford have two major bottlenecks to deal with in New Ross and Enniscorthy.This has been a problem for as long as I can remember.

Cantona's Collars

Ballydawmore Interchange.




Digging through the hill on the road from the Slaney bridge to the interchange.

BoatMad

JupiterKid wrote: »

It's great to see this scheme making such good progress but I can't help but think that the M20 Cork to Limerick route was a much greater priority in both safety and strategic terms.

If I was cynical I'd guess that this and the New Ross bypass being progressed has to do with Brendan Howlin.

personally I would agree, the M20 should have been prioritised first , but the M11 extension was shovel ready and that was the criteria adopted

The M11 south of Arklow is a very quiet road by motorway standards

kneemos

BoatMad wrote: »

personally I would agree, the M20 should have been prioritised first , but the M11 extension was shovel ready and that was the criteria adopted

The M11 south of Arklow is a very quiet road by motorway standards

Gorey was a nightmare though in fairness.
They had this notion of having a proper road connecting Rosslare "Europort"years ago,there's feck all traffic coming or going from there in the grand scheme of things.

BoatMad

kneemos wrote: »

Gorey was a nightmare though in fairness.
They had this notion of having a proper road connecting Rosslare "Europort"years ago,there's feck all traffic coming or going from there in the grand scheme of things.

no argument, mind you Gorey is still jammers

but a bypass was all that was needed not the M11, in reality that should have stopped at Arklow

potentially extending the GDA into North Wexford is a stupid idea

jca

BoatMad wrote: »

no argument, mind you Gorey is still jammers

but a bypass was all that was needed not the M11, in reality that should have stopped at Arklow

potentially extending the GDA into North Wexford is a stupid idea

Sure why not turn off the electricity, internet and water while you're at it, what would dem cultchies want all dem services for an dey nowhere near Doooblin..

road_high

BoatMad wrote: »

no argument, mind you Gorey is still jammers

but a bypass was all that was needed not the M11, in reality that should have stopped at Arklow

potentially extending the GDA into North Wexford is a stupid idea

That's like saying lets not build the M7/6/9 or 4 because they potentially extend the GDA into Carlow, Kilkenny, Laois, Offaly or Westmeath etc? Do you think these places should be denied junctions off/on said roads?!

Granted the M11 south of Arklow is relatively quiet but so are sections of the M8 and M7 and M6- in fact many selected sections quiter than a lot of the M9- which was supposed to the greatest white elephant ever but figuring very highly on ADDT figures. Once you hit the current N11 near Ferns it's jammers again- they had to do something and for the minimal extra cost and future proofing, the N11 is wisely becoming the M11. Enniscorthy is dreadful with ADDT more than many sections of built motorway elsewhere.

road_high

BoatMad wrote: »

personally I would agree, the M20 should have been prioritised first , but the M11 extension was shovel ready and that was the criteria adopted

The M11 south of Arklow is a very quiet road by motorway standards

How does the N11 compare to the N20 in terms of traffic figures? I easily say they're comparable, both are needed.

Middle Man

road_high wrote: »

How does the N11 compare to the N20 in terms of traffic figures? I easily say they're comparable, both are needed.

N11 South of Oilgate is now in excess of 13,600 according to this...

https://www.nratrafficdata.ie/c2/gmapbasic.asp?sgid=ZvyVmXU8jBt9PJE$c7UXt6
(you'll need to zoom in)

road_high

Middle Man wrote: »

N11 South of Oilgate is now in excess of 13,600 according to this...

https://www.nratrafficdata.ie/c2/gmapbasic.asp?sgid=ZvyVmXU8jBt9PJE$c7UXt6
(you'll need to zoom in)

Thanks. Looked at existing N20 at Buttevant 10,218 per day.
Between Blarney and Mallow it's 16,734.

N11 north of Enniscorthy is 15,920 per day...averaged out across both routes the figures don't look significantly different. Both projects are needed.

kneemos

road_high wrote: »

That's like saying lets not build the M7/6/9 or 4 because they potentially extend the GDA into Carlow, Kilkenny, Laois, Offaly or Westmeath etc? Do you think these places should be denied junctions off/on said roads?!

Granted the M11 south of Arklow is relatively quiet but so are sections of the M8 and M7 and M6- in fact many selected sections quiter than a lot of the M9- which was supposed to the greatest white elephant ever but figuring very highly on ADDT figures. Once you hit the current N11 near Ferns it's jammers again- they had to do something and for the minimal extra cost and future proofing, the N11 is wisely becoming the M11. Enniscorthy is dreadful with ADDT more than many sections of built motorway elsewhere.

The M11 doesn't connect any major or even large population centres or have any along its route,but if you're building a bypass I'd agree you might as well future proof it.
It's down to the desperate need for bypasses and the misguided notion that Rosslare- Dublin should a Euro Route or whatever they used to call it.

marno21

road_high wrote: »

Thanks. Looked at existing N20 at Buttevant 10,218 per day.
Between Blarney and Mallow it's 16,734.

N11 north of Enniscorthy is 15,920 per day...averaged out across both routes the figures don't look significantly different. Both projects are needed.

N20 traffic when it becomes motorway will easily be 16,000+. Lots of people avoid the N20 and also lots of journeys aren't made simply because the road is so poor.

kneemos wrote: »

The M11 doesn't connect any major or even large population centres or have any along its route,but if you're building a bypass I'd agree you might as well future proof it.
It's down to the desperate need for bypasses and the misguided notion that Rosslare- Dublin should a Euro Route or whatever they used to call it.

I agree with the M11 being built this far so far, as traffic levels are higher than expected and building 2+2 for 14-15,000 cars is pushing it a bit when you could have R741 traffic moving to the new N11 when it opens too.

Is there any particular reason why the traffic is so high? Commuter/Rosslare traffic? It's very high considering there's not that much south of Enniscorthy.

kneemos

marno21 wrote: »

N20 traffic when it becomes motorway will easily be 16,000+. Lots of people avoid the N20 and also lots of journeys aren't made simply because the road is so poor.



I agree with the M11 being built this far so far, as traffic levels are higher than expected and building 2+2 for 14-15,000 cars is pushing it a bit when you could have R741 traffic moving to the new N11 when it opens too.

Is there any particular reason why the traffic is so high? Commuter/Rosslare traffic? It's very high considering there's not that much south of Enniscorthy.

Get a lot of day trippers on weekends. Wexford is a popular shopping town. It's a main artery through the county.

road_high

marno21 wrote: »

N20 traffic when it becomes motorway will easily be 16,000+. Lots of people avoid the N20 and also lots of journeys aren't made simply because the road is so poor.



I agree with the M11 being built this far so far, as traffic levels are higher than expected and building 2+2 for 14-15,000 cars is pushing it a bit when you could have R741 traffic moving to the new N11 when it opens too.

Is there any particular reason why the traffic is so high? Commuter/Rosslare traffic? It's very high considering there's not that much south of Enniscorthy.

Wexford is very heavily dependent on dublin for trade. Also the M11 is really the main artery in/out if the county to the whole east, north, west of the country.
Wexford town is reasonably big by Irish standards. Over 20k people.
Our other "mega" cities like Galway have what 70-90k people in them at the end of other motorways. Arklow, gorey and enniscorhy over 10k. When you start adding up the populations dependent on the N11, it's probably no different to other MIUs.

road_high

Don't doubt the poor quality of the N20- it's comparable to much of the existing N11 which is substandard with bottlenecks and limited overtaking opps

marno21

road_high wrote: »

Don't doubt the poor quality of the N20- it's comparable to much of the existing N11 which is substandard with bottlenecks and limited overtaking opps

Yes but I mean that if I'm driving from Wexford to Dublin, I only have to drive on ****e roads from Wexford to north of Camolin. With the N20 the only good stretch of road is between Patrickswell and Limerick and between Cork and Blarney, around 15% of the overall drive. The other 85% is deplorable (I'm aware there's wide S2 with climbing lanes between Mallow and Cork but in heavy traffic it's still a slow drive).

From 2019 it'll be S2 only from Wexford to north of Oilgate which is very acceptable for the medium term in fairness.

kneemos

Loads of concrete beams heading out the Milehouse,dunno where they might be destined for.

Cantona's Collars

kneemos wrote: »

Loads of concrete beams heading out the Milehouse,dunno where they might be destined for.

Beams like these? This is the bridge at the Milehouse to Marshalstown road now.They were just doing the supports when I posted the last pic from there.