M11/N30 - Gorey to Enniscorthy [open to traffic]

BoatMad

I was down at Oilgate , are they seriously bring the motorway to an end before Oilgate , what genius taught that up

marno21

BoatMad wrote: »

I was down at Oilgate , are they seriously bring the motorway to an end before Oilgate , what genius taught that up

The same genius who was told that the N11 Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour scheme would be finished a couple of years after. But it didn't work out that way in reality

kneemos

marno21 wrote: »

The same genius who was told that the N11 Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour scheme would be finished a couple of years after. But it didn't work out that way in reality

All the more reason to go beyond it.
Unless there was political interference coming from local businesses I can't see any method for their madness.

josip

Some posters here have said that by bypassing Oylegate now, they would be limiting their options for the route of the remainder to Rosslare?

marno21

kneemos wrote: »

All the more reason to go beyond it.
Unless there was political interference coming from local businesses I can't see any method for their madness.

It's very similar in Galway, all traffic was diverted up the exit ramp at Gort as when the Gort-Crusheen scheme started it was thought that Gort-Athenry would be open a year or two after.

The recession turned that into 7 years later. Same with Enniscorthy, it was expected Oilgate-Rosslare would follow shortly. That wasn't the case - Oilgate-Rosslare is looking like 2024-2029 now.

BoatMad

marno21 wrote: »

It's very similar in Galway, all traffic was diverted up the exit ramp at Gort as when the Gort-Crusheen scheme started it was thought that Gort-Athenry would be open a year or two after.

The recession turned that into 7 years later. Same with Enniscorthy, it was expected Oilgate-Rosslare would follow shortly. That wasn't the case - Oilgate-Rosslare is looking like 2024-2029 now.

I pity the residents of Oilgate

jd

josip wrote: »

Some posters here have said that by bypassing Oylegate now, they would be limiting their options for the route of the remainder to Rosslare?

That route has been decided. (200 meter corridor). Congestion has been increasing at the N11/N25 junction (New Ross Roundabout outside Wexford). If they were to do it piecemal, the should probably do from Oylegate to here, but that would mean a new bridge and an improved junction.

vicwatson

jd wrote: »

That route has been decided. (200 meter corridor). Congestion has been increasing at the N11/N25 junction (New Ross Roundabout outside Wexford). If they were to do it piecemal, the should probably do from Oylegate to here, but that would mean a new bridge and an improved junction.

I think a 300 metre corridor

Oilgate ain't gonna be a problem in itself and not many businesses there to suffer in the first place, it's after you leave Oilgate southbound it's where it'll get messy with impatient driving etc.

jd

Sorry, yes, 300 meter corridor as I had mentioned earlier in the thread (typo)

BoatMad

vicwatson wrote: »

I think a 300 metre corridor

Oilgate ain't gonna be a problem in itself and not many businesses there to suffer in the first place, it's after you leave Oilgate southbound it's where it'll get messy with impatient driving etc.

I didnt mentioned business in Oilgate, its the residents

vicwatson

BoatMad wrote: »

I didnt mentioned business in Oilgate, its the residents

It'll be a concentrated stream of traffic alright. I can see those traffic lights at the pedestrian crossing being used a lot more. Its a no-brainer to have carried on southbound to beyond Oilgate, however.

road_high

marno21 wrote: »

It's very similar in Galway, all traffic was diverted up the exit ramp at Gort as when the Gort-Crusheen scheme started it was thought that Gort-Athenry would be open a year or two after.

The recession turned that into 7 years later. Same with Enniscorthy, it was expected Oilgate-Rosslare would follow shortly. That wasn't the case - Oilgate-Rosslare is looking like 2024-2029 now.

I can't see the rest of the N11 being a huge priority after the new scheme opens. There's too little funding available for far more chronic schemes than to replace a relatively new road that opened in the late 80s/early 90s. Some improvements could be made to Wexford bypass roundabouts and possibly even dual a section if it.
There's some busier N primaries that haven't changed in alignment since the 50s. It's their turn knowing how slow funding will be.

Reuben1210

road_high wrote: »

I can't see the rest of the N11 being a huge priority after the new scheme opens. There's too little funding available for far more chronic schemes than to replace a relatively new road that opened in the late 80s/early 90s. Some improvements could be made to Wexford bypass roundabouts and possibly even dual a section if it.
There's some busier N primaries that haven't changed in alignment since the 50s. It's their turn knowing how slow funding will be.

True, but under an EU directive, the Rosslare route must be motorway.

Aontachtoir

Reuben1210 wrote: »

road_high wrote: »

I can't see the rest of the N11 being a huge priority after the new scheme opens. There's too little funding available for far more chronic schemes than to replace a relatively new road that opened in the late 80s/early 90s. Some improvements could be made to Wexford bypass roundabouts and possibly even dual a section if it.
There's some busier N primaries that haven't changed in alignment since the 50s. It's their turn knowing how slow funding will be.

True, but under an EU directive, the Rosslare route must be motorway.

Nice. In that case it should be eligible for EU TEN-T funding.

marno21

Reuben1210 wrote: »

True, but under an EU directive, the Rosslare route must be motorway.

No, it mustn't. It's TEN-T comprehensive so expressway is sufficient, and this only applies to new builds where level of service drops below a certain level.

Dublin, Cork (Ringaskiddy) and Shannon-Foynes are the Core ports in Ireland. Brexit may lead to a change in this but as it stands Rosslare is comprehensive.

Reuben1210

marno21 wrote: »

No, it mustn't. It's TEN-T comprehensive so expressway is sufficient, and this only applies to new builds where level of service drops below a certain level.

Dublin, Cork (Ringaskiddy) and Shannon-Foynes are the Core ports in Ireland. Brexit may lead to a change in this but as it stands Rosslare is comprehensive.

Ah ok my bad! I thought that it was core and there was a directive from Europe saying all major ports must be connected by motorway!

BelfastVanMan

Reuben1210 wrote: »

marno21 wrote: »

No, it mustn't. It's TEN-T comprehensive so expressway is sufficient, and this only applies to new builds where level of service drops below a certain level.

Dublin, Cork (Ringaskiddy) and Shannon-Foynes are the Core ports in Ireland. Brexit may lead to a change in this but as it stands Rosslare is comprehensive.

Ah ok my bad! I thought that it was core and there was a directive from Europe saying all major ports must be connected by motorway!

High quality roads is the key phrase they use; sure the N69 new build from the new N21 to Foynes will be single carriageway, and it's leading to a core port.

The fact that it will be be a grade-seperated single carriageway is sufficiently high standard, in their eyes, seemingly.

road_high

And the last upgrade early 90s was majorly EU funded at the time, I remember my dad talking about it. How they (N11 and N25) were "euro routes" and that meant extra EU funding at the time.
And the likes of the N20, N21, N24 etc have huge sections that were barely touched in that time. Further N11 is rock bottom of my list anyhow, I'm only early 30s and I can remember the current N11 being built...

viper87

vicwatson wrote: »

It'll be a concentrated stream of traffic alright. I can see those traffic lights at the pedestrian crossing being used a lot more. Its a no-brainer to have carried on southbound to beyond Oilgate, however.

The bypass of oilgate is included in the oilgate to rosslare section which is at route selection stage (https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/roads-travel-and-parking/national-roads-projects/n11n25-oilgate-rosslare-harbour). The last km of the Enniscorthy bypass on the oilgate side will be 2+1 with a speed limit of 100km/h. With a roundabout on the current N11

jd

viper87 wrote: »

The bypass of oilgate is included in the oilgate to rosslare section which is at route selection stage

The route has been selected (300 meter corridor)
https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/sites/default/files/content/roads/Preferred%20Route%20Corridor%20Maps.pdf

Cantona's Collars

And now.Sorry for the fuzzy image.

jca

I see a partial skin of tar on the bridge at the gap cross, it looks very narrow. Work is finally starting to be done on the Oulart road at Finchogue. They're back at the bridge on the Marshlstown road in earnest, not before time considering it was supposed to be open in August!!

kneemos

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

And now.Sorry for the fuzzy image.

Any idea what those arches are foe?

Cantona's Collars

kneemos wrote: »

Any idea what those arches are foe?

That's a flood plain,they'll build up over the arches which are there to allow water through when the river floods.

serfboard

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

That's a flood plain,they'll build up over the arches which are there to allow water through when the river floods.

Wow! Planning! Is this Ireland we're talking about?

jca

serfboard wrote: »

Wow! Planning! Is this Ireland we're talking about?

That piece of land has been regularly under 10 feet of water, they've been so lucky building this road there's hardly been a drop of rain to speak of.

BoatMad

very obvious earthworks just be the end of the current M11 now

m17

Bridge under construction at the urrin river 06/10/172

m17

Close up of the arches2

kneemos

They're purely to preserve the little critters presumably? Like those bat caves they built everywhere.