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Did you know that today is international Women's Day?

  • 08-03-2010 12:14pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Did you know that today is International Women's Day?

    iwd_5.gif

    Did you know that it's a 100 years from the first one?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women%27s_Day
    n 1910 the first international women's conference was held in Copenhagen (in the labour-movement building located at Jagtvej 69, which until recently housed Ungdomshuset) by the Second International and an 'International Women's Day' was established, which was submitted by the important German Socialist Clara Zetkin, although no date was specified.[1] The following year, 1911, IWD was marked by over a million people in Austria, Denmark, Germany and Switzerland, on March 19.[2]

    However, soon thereafter, on March 25, the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in New York City killed over 140 garment workers. A lack of safety measures was blamed for the high death toll. Furthermore, on the eve of World War I, women across Europe held peace rallies on 8 March 1913. In the West, International Women's Day was commemorated during the 1910s and 1920s, but dwindled. It was revived by the rise of feminism in the 1960s.

    Demonstrations marking International Women's Day in Russia proved to be the first stage of the Russian Revolution of 1917.

    Following the October Revolution, the Bolshevik feminist Alexandra Kollontai persuaded Lenin to make it an official holiday in the Soviet Union, and it was established, but was a working day until 1965. On May 8, 1965 by the decree of the USSR Presidium of the Supreme Soviet International Women's Day was declared as a non working day in the USSR "in commemoration of the outstanding merits of Soviet women in communistic construction, in the defense of their Fatherland during the Great Patriotic War, in their heroism and selflessness at the front and in the rear, and also marking the great contribution of women to strengthening friendship between peoples, and the struggle for peace. But still, women's day must be celebrated as are other holidays."
    On this day it is customary for men to give the women in their lives - mothers, wives, girlfriends, daughters, colleagues, etc - flowers and small gifts. In some countries (such as Romania) it is also observed as an equivalent of Mother's Day, where children also give small presents to their mothers and grandmothers.

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union celebrations of IWD were abandoned in Armenia. Instead April 7 was introduced as state holiday of ‘Beauty and Motherhood.’ The new holiday immediately got popular among Armenians, as it commemorates one of the main holidays of Armenian Church, Annunciation. However, people still kept celebrating IWD on March 8 as well. Public discussion held on the topic of two ‘Women’s Days’ in Armenia resulted in the recognition of the so called ‘Women’s Month’ which is the period between March 8 and April 7.

    In Italy, to celebrate the day, men give yellow mimosas to women.[19][20] Yellow mimosas and chocolate are also one of the most common March 8 presents in Russia and Albania.

    In Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Lithuania, Moldova, Macedonia, Montenegro, Poland, Bulgaria, Slovenia and Serbia the custom of giving women flowers still prevails. Women sometimes get gifts from their employers too. Schoolchildren often bring gifts for their teachers as well.

    In countries like Portugal it is usual, at the night of 8 March, for groups of women celebrate in "women-only" dinners and parties.[citation needed]

    In India, IWD holds a lot of significance. Many celebrations are held during the day.

    In Pakistan working women in formal and informal sectors celebrate International Women's Day every year to commemorate their ongoing struggle for due rights, despite facing many cultural and religious restrictions. Some women working for change in society use IWM to help the movement for women's rights. In Poland, for instance, every International Women's Day includes large feminist demonstrations in major cities. [21]

    In 1975, which had been designated as International Women’s Year, the United Nations gave official sanction to and began sponsoring International Women's Day.

    The 2005 Congress (conference) of the British Trades Union Congress overwhelmingly approved a resolution calling for IWD to be designated a public holiday in the United Kingdom.

    This year the theme is equality.


    There are 47 events happening in Ireland to mark the day.
    http://www.internationalwomensday.com/search.asp?country=102




Comments

  • Moderators Posts: 51,860 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Actually had this come through my twitter feed, looks like it could be an interesting read.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/features/2010/0308/1224265792541.html

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    Happy international womens day everyone!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Jules


    \o/


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    Gifts, you say? I like gifts!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    While pottering about on you tube I found this cover version of John Lennon's song "Woman is the Nígger of the world", which is just as controversial today as it was when it was released.



    Woman is the ****** of the world
    Yes she is...think about it
    Woman is the ****** of the world
    Think about it...do something about it

    We make her paint her face and dance
    If she won't be a slave, we say that she don't love us
    If she's real, we say she's trying to be a man
    While putting her down, we pretend that she's above us

    Woman is the ****** of the world...yes she is
    If you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
    Woman is the slave of the slaves
    Ah, yeah...better scream about it

    We make her bear and raise our children
    And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen
    We tell her home is the only place she should be
    Then we complain that she's too unworldly to be our friend

    Woman is the ****** of the world...yes she is
    If you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
    Woman is the slave to the slaves
    Yeah...alright...hit it!

    We insult her every day on TV
    And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
    When she's young we kill her will to be free
    While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb

    Woman is the ****** of the world
    Yes she is...if you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
    Woman is the slave to the slaves
    Yes she is...if you believe me, you better scream about it


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭LivingDeadGirl


    I actually did know, cause it's my birthday too :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,584 ✭✭✭✭Creamy Goodness


    Yup i did, was listening to phantom whilst driving and they were playing songs from great women in rock.

    kate bush/bjork/karen o ftw.


  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apparently it's huge it Poland. All the polish guys in work came in today brandishing roses for the ladies :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭pikachucheeks


    M&S had a huge variety of gifts especially for it, over the weekend.
    Mostly flowers and pot plants!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    M&S had a huge variety of gifts especially for it, over the weekend.
    Mostly flowers and pot plants!


    That was mother's day stuff pika..i cant imagine giving a militant feminist a bunch of flowers...you'd probably get mace sprayed in your eyes.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Mother's day is next weekend. :P

    Mace is illegal, I doubt that many women have it in this country and I for one like getting flowers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭pikachucheeks


    Degsy wrote: »
    That was mother's day stuff pika

    It was probably a mixure of both!

    There was definitely stuff for International Women's Day because a lot of the plants had special tags for it and there were big posters ... I noticed it because I'd actually never heard of that celebration before.

    I don't think it's that publicised in Ireland ... or else I'm just blind


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    It was probably a mixure of both!

    There was definitely stuff for International Women's Day because a lot of the plants had special tags for it and there were big posters ... I noticed it because I'd actually never heard of that celebration before.

    I don't think it's that publicised in Ireland ... or else I'm just blind

    It is not as publicised here as it is in other countries.
    there are events run as the listing shows a lot of them all around the country,
    but there isn't the same awareness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    Apparently it's huge it Poland. All the polish guys in work came in today brandishing roses for the ladies :)

    It's also huge in many Middle Eastern countries. It was a public holiday and a day of celebration in Iraq pre Invasion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭shellykbookey


    Is there an international men's day?


  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is there an international men's day?

    March 14th :rolleyes:

    :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    that's the male valentines day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ztoical


    Is there an international men's day?

    Ever day is international men's day.....or rather every day is international White Anglo-Saxon Protestant men's day


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    even in zimbabwe?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 327 ✭✭F.A.


    Why don't you read the Wikipedia link that Thaedydal provided in the opening post? It will answer your question: Yes, there is an International Men's Day. It is on November 19, and ironically enough, Wikipedia lists Ireland as one of the countries that observe it. Unlike International Women's Day. Shocker.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    F.A. wrote: »
    Why don't you read the Wikipedia link that Thaedydal provided in the opening post? It will answer your question: Yes, there is an International Men's Day. It is on November 19, and ironically enough, Wikipedia lists Ireland as one of the countries that observe it. Unlike International Women's Day. Shocker.


    How exactly do you "observe" a day relating to a specific gender?
    I mean,there's always been men and women otherwise there would be no people..both genders have achieved the creation and propogation of the human race,its as old as life itself and hardly needs to be "observed".


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It's also huge in many Middle Eastern countries. It was a public holiday and a day of celebration in Iraq pre Invasion.

    I'm not sure it went down all that well around here. We were ordered to have women's day events for the locals, but conservative Pashtun society in rural Afghanistan is about as mysogenistic a society as you're going to get on this planet.

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    March 14th :rolleyes:

    :pac:

    Which falls on mother's day this year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    While pottering about on you tube I found this cover version of John Lennon's song "Woman is the Nígger of the world", which is just as controversial today as it was when it was released.


    I dont think this applies to American women, or at least non african american women.

    We have fairly decent status in the US.


  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Which falls on mother's day this year.

    I know

    Score :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Novemeber 19th is interntionals mens' day.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Men%27s_Day
    http://www.internationalmensday.com/
    For those of you who can't use google.

    I read one blog piece on internationals women's day which really was tought provoking.

    http://geekfeminism.org/2010/03/08/thoughts-on-international-womens-day/
    It’s 11:18pm in my timezone as I write this and I’m reflecting on International Women’s Day. I feel kind of anxious and twitchy and unhappy, and I’m trying to unpick why.

    This morning one of the first things that greeted me, as I sat in bed skimming my Dreamwidth reading page, was this video of Ethyl Smyth’s March of the Women, illustrated with pictures of women suffragists who fought for votes — and a wide range of human rights — for women.




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    Thoughts on International Women’s Day
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    tags: cranky, human rights, international women's day, suffrage
    by Skud

    It’s 11:18pm in my timezone as I write this and I’m reflecting on International Women’s Day. I feel kind of anxious and twitchy and unhappy, and I’m trying to unpick why.

    This morning one of the first things that greeted me, as I sat in bed skimming my Dreamwidth reading page, was this video of Ethyl Smyth’s March of the Women, illustrated with pictures of women suffragists who fought for votes — and a wide range of human rights — for women.

    Next year marks 100 years since the composition of that song. These are women of my great-grandmother’s generation marching, fighting, protesting, being arrested, and being imprisoned for basic human rights. I should be inspired, and yet I feel frustrated and exhausted.

    How is it that we are still dealing with this ****?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Novemeber 19th is interntionals mens' day.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Men%27s_Day
    http://www.internationalmensday.com/
    For those of you who can't use google.

    I read one blog piece on internationals women's day which really was tought provoking.

    http://geekfeminism.org/2010/03/08/thoughts-on-international-womens-day/

    "Next year marks 100 years since the composition of that song. These are women of my great-grandmother’s generation marching, fighting, protesting, being arrested, and being imprisoned for basic human rights. I should be inspired, and yet I feel frustrated and exhausted."


    Not even a drop in the ocean of the number of men who have done the same and indeed lost thier lives for various causes.
    If she feels "frustrated and exhausted" maybe she needs to change her perspective on things and stop being so narrow-minded.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    OK this is a thread on international womens day in the ladies lounge forum. Debate fine, but keep the nitpicking out of it. It doesnt need to be defended or justified in here. If anyone wants to discuss how men aren't included then please feel free to start a thread elsewhere. The GC forum as an example. Thanks

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭Emme


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    While pottering about on you tube I found this cover version of John Lennon's song "Woman is the Nígger of the world", which is just as controversial today as it was when it was released.


    I think this is really relevant. Another thing that bothers me is that women are being commodified so much these days - a woman is a product who is encouraged to enhance her market value (perceived youth and beauty) through consumerism. She consumes (buys clothes, beauty products and treatments) so that she can be consumed. The availability of internet porn makes women into products to be consumed and women are being bought and sold like never before - the mail order bride market is thriving. What does that say about the home countries of these women - their lives there must be terrible if they're willing to sell themselves to men from richer countries, uproot themselves and their children and go live in a foreign country. I know we discussed mail order brides on another thread, but they are marketed as just another online product. You could also say that about children from third world countries who are adopted by celebrities, but that isn't relevant to this discussion.

    Go out any night and look at the way women are dressed - they're packaged to be consumed (f*d). Call me crude, but I think that women are even more commodified and perceived as products than they were when Lennon wrote that song.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Emme wrote: »
    She consumes (buys clothes, beauty products and treatments) so that she can be consumed

    Basicly your whole post is rubbish and as offensive to women as it was meant to be to men but i'll just comment on this bit.

    Woman(like men) "buys clothes,beauty products and treatments" NOT so that they can be "consumed" but so as that they will look and feel thier best.
    There's nothing wrong with this,mankind has been doing it since the first cavewoman stuck a pretty flower in her hair...or the first caveman hung a skull round his neck.

    Maybe they do it to impress the opposite sex but maybe,just maybe they're doing it for themselves...to allege that its all a conspiracy so that men can get thier jollies at the expensive of womens' dignity is ridiculous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Emme wrote: »
    I think this is really relevant. Another thing that bothers me is that women are being commodified so much these days - a woman is a product who is encouraged to enhance her market value (perceived youth and beauty) through consumerism. She consumes (buys clothes, beauty products and treatments) so that she can be consumed. The availability of internet porn makes women into products to be consumed and women are being bought and sold like never before - the mail order bride market is thriving. What does that say about the home countries of these women - their lives there must be terrible if they're willing to sell themselves to men from richer countries, uproot themselves and their children and go live in a foreign country. I know we discussed mail order brides on another thread, but they are marketed as just another online product. You could also say that about children from third world countries who are adopted by celebrities, but that isn't relevant to this discussion.

    Go out any night and look at the way women are dressed - they're packaged to be consumed (f*d). Call me crude, but I think that women are even more commodified and perceived as products than they were when Lennon wrote that song.

    That is one of the arguments about Liberation, have you read Ariel Levy's Female Chauvinist Pigs: Women and the Rise of Raunch Culture?

    It argues that young women need to stop trying to be the hottest, pretties, sexyist and should be working on accomplishments and achievements.

    Until women value themselves for more then looks and appearances this is always going to be a battle.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'd have to agree somewhat with Degsy TBH. We're all consumers and targeted constantly. Men women, kids. How manyof us here are on bebobook type sites? While they can be somewhat useful(debateable), they're basically big e machines designed to data mine buying preferences so they people can be targeted more precisely. Now I have no great issue with ads etc. This site has them, but they're a teeny tiny part of the experience here.

    When Lennon wrote that song the advertising industry while strong was nowhere near as pervasive or specifialy and scientifically targeted as today, so I agree with Emme there.

    I would also agree the fashion/beauty industry is far more aimed at women, but if they could figure out a way to aim to the same degree at men, they would and they will. Women are more targeted by advertising. Look at TV and print ads and there is a bias. So yes on that score again I would agree.

    I would disagree as to the why though. Yes there is a sexualisation happening. Ever younger too, but its because it sells. If it didnt they simply wouldnt do it. I think why it sells in the first place and why do they target more women than men is the interesting question.

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Wibbs wrote: »
    target more women than men is the interesting question.


    Well its because women traditionally spend more time and more money on thier appearance than men...also men are way more limited in thier clothing scope than women are so it stands to reason you'll shift more clothes and more different types of clothes if you pitch them at women.
    Its not some masculanist conspiracy,its the nature of humanity.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    It argues that young women need to stop trying to be the hottest, pretties, sexyist and should be working on accomplishments and achievements.

    Until women value themselves for more then looks and appearances this is always going to be a battle.

    They do..there are more women in college than men...where i work the women far outnumber the male students.
    They're doing this to better themselves finacially and to realise thier career goals.
    That they also find the time to spend on thier "looks and appearances" seems to imply that most women know exactly what they want and will make themselves happiest herever possible.
    If you're suggesting that all women should stop wearing make-up,getting thier hair styled and spending money on clothes i think you'll find yourself completely without support from men OR women.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    True but I would seriously disagree that its human nature or gender nature. There are and have been many cultures where the men were the peacocks much more concerned about their appearance than women and consumed more "beauty"products. Its more a cultural thing. A cultural thing that has (naturally) been exploited by advertisers and industry. No conspiracy either. The money follows the market.

    EG Household products are going to be aimed at women, because women on average still do more within the average household. Aiming say washing powder ads at men would be limiting the target market. In much the same way as aiming razors at women would be limiting that market. Indeed in those two products you can see the same tactics. The daz whiter than the previous daz white(how white can it get for feck sake :)) and the 20 bladed razor is better than our last 19 bladed razor are examples of the same BS tactic. I saw a report where they got men to shave with 2 3 4 and 5 bladed razors and there's no diff beyond the psychological. Now we have the ads for the razors with the blue strip to tell you when its worn out. More BS to get you to buy more.

    What is interesting if you reverse this, is that as far as the money is concerned and regardless of feminism/equality and more women in the workplace, women are still doing most of the household chores and child rearing. Hence they target them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭Emme


    Degsy wrote: »
    Well its because women traditionally spend more time and more money on thier appearance than men...also men are way more limited in thier clothing scope than women are so it stands to reason you'll shift more clothes and more different types of clothes if you pitch them at women.
    Its not some masculanist conspiracy,its the nature of humanity.

    Women in Western society traditionally spend more time and money on their appearance than men. Advertising companies tap into women's insecurities (ageing, getting fat, being unattractive) and use it to market products. The implicit message is that women have to be sexually attractive and sexually available at all times, in other words a product. Young girls are buying into this in a frightening way.

    I don't think it's the nature of humanity for women to dress themselves up as objects but it is the nature of consumerism to try and make women conform to a certain ideal. Consumerism doesn't equal masculinist, it equals money for the multinationals who have stakes in the media, clothing and cosmetic companies.
    Because you're worth it :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Emme wrote: »
    I don't think it's the nature of humanity for women to dress themselves up as objects but it is the nature of consumerism to try and make women conform to a certain ideal. Consumerism doesn't equal masculinist, it equals money for the multinationals who have stakes in the media, clothing and cosmetic companies.
    Yep, I agree, but I would add that it is in the nature of humanity, in both genders, to maximise their reproductive potential. Which is dependent to some degree on the culture in question and varies over time. Again in both genders. There are some loose differences that remain somewhat static in the genders over time. Men's ability to collect resources increases attractiveness and women's external signals of reproductive viability increases attractiveness. But even within these somewhat static points there is much variability.
    Because you're worth it :rolleyes:

    :rolleyes: indeed. Hey they tried that with men too. Remember the ads with Pearce Brosnan for face cream? Apparently cos blokes are "worth it" too. Again :rolleyes: with a side order of :D Though the Jennifer aniston "here comes the science bit" was a real low point.

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Emme wrote: »
    Consumerism doesn't equal masculinist, it equals money for the multinationals who have stakes in the media, clothing and cosmetic companies

    Which themselves are often owned,staffed or managed by women...Women are as responsible for the "exploitation" of other women as men are..its not a gender issue,its a money iisue as you say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Degsy wrote: »
    Which themselves are often owned,staffed or managed by women...Women are as responsible for the "exploitation" of other women as men are..its not a gender issue,its a money iisue as you say.

    Really?

    L'Oreal, the cosmetics giant (which includes the brands Garnier, Armani, Kerastese, Diesel, Cacharel, Kiehl's, Helena Rubenstein) has a male CEO, Jean-Paul Agon.

    Chanel is owned (by controlling interest) by Alain Wertheimer and his brother Gerard.

    Procter and Gamble, CEO is Robert McDonald.

    Unilever, Group Chief Exec Patrick Cescau

    Esteé Lauder Chairman Leonard A. Lauder

    Johnson & Johnson CEO and Chairman William C. Weldon

    The top seats of the biggest beauty and fashion houses in the world belong to men, unequivocally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭pikachucheeks


    g'em wrote: »
    Really?

    L'Oreal, the cosmetics giant (which includes the brands Garnier, Armani, Kerastese, Diesel, Cacharel, Kiehl's, Helena Rubenstein) has a male CEO, Jean-Paul Agon.

    Chanel is owned (by controlling interest) by Alain Wertheimer and his brother Gerard.

    Procter and Gamble, CEO is Robert McDonald.

    Unilever, Group Chief Exec Patrick Cescau

    Esteé Lauder Chairman Leonard A. Lauder

    Johnson & Johnson CEO and Chairman William C. Weldon

    The top seats of the biggest beauty and fashion houses in the world belong to men, unequivocally.

    Men might own the companies or be in charge of them, but it's really the advertising executives that sell to the masses and control the advertising campaigns.
    There's a high female to male ratio in cosmetic and fashion advertising.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    g'em wrote: »
    Really?

    L'Oreal, the cosmetics giant (which includes the brands Garnier, Armani, Kerastese, Diesel, Cacharel, Kiehl's, Helena Rubenstein) has a male CEO, Jean-Paul Agon.

    Chanel is owned (by controlling interest) by Alain Wertheimer and his brother Gerard.

    Procter and Gamble, CEO is Robert McDonald.

    Unilever, Group Chief Exec Patrick Cescau

    Esteé Lauder Chairman Leonard A. Lauder

    Johnson & Johnson CEO and Chairman William C. Weldon

    The top seats of the biggest beauty and fashion houses in the world belong to men, unequivocally.


    They may belong to men but a huge number of the staff,the managers,the sales people,the researchers,the advertsiing execs and the directors are women.
    No man would be stupid enough to ignore the imput of women when they're pitching a product at women.


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    Degsy wrote: »
    They may belong to men but a huge number of the staff,the managers,the sales people,the researchers,the advertsiing execs and the directors are women.

    Not in my experience. The people on the ground are women, but middle management and upwards is largely dominated by men. Anyway, that's totally OT...

    *slaps own hand*


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    There are and have been many cultures where the men were the peacocks much more concerned about their appearance than women and consumed more "beauty"products.

    I'm curious, which ones? Even around here, though all the women you see on the streets are shapeless, androgynous, unidentifiable blue lumps in their burquas, they actually wear quite nice clothing underneath and a look around the shops indicates that they are quite taken with their appearance as well (or they wouldn't be selling the stuff). That their culture does not permit public display does not mean that they don't try to take a bit of effort in their appearance at home or in private.

    NTM


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Lyle Scary City


    Wibbs wrote: »
    EG Household products are going to be aimed at women, because women on average still do more within the average household. Aiming say washing powder ads at men would be limiting the target market.

    It's funny you say that, I was surprised when living in spain years ago to see exactly that - guy doing the washing up and aiming whatever product it was at men.


    Even around here, though all the women you see on the streets are shapeless, androgynous, unidentifiable blue lumps in their burquas, they actually wear quite nice clothing underneath and a look around the shops indicates that they are quite taken with their appearance as well (or they wouldn't be selling the stuff). That their culture does not permit public display does not mean that they don't try to take a bit of effort in their appearance at home or in private.
    Aye - http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/269885
    It's interesting, saudi arabia is the last place you'd think of regarding women and hot lingerie, i think


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