Would you marry for money?

jonsnow

This chick wants money

OutlawPete

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

maybe i'm in the minority

You are.

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

who are these fcuking women??!!! :mad:

Come one, when your on a night out, you don't see women playing men?

You need to come to Dublin and watch women walking in guys. Maybe where you are the amount of men is limited so it's not so bad, but in Dublin Women are in a fcuking sweet shop and they know it.

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

i just go for the type of lad thats wearing a t-shirt and jeans

That's cause your sound

Kimono-Girl

Purple_Bobbin wrote: »

Why is it rubbish?

Just because yourself (and others) don't agree with it, does not mean it is rubbish.

It's my personal preference to be in a happy marriage/relationship rather than
an unhappy marriage/relationship.

Money isn't the most important thing (for me anyway), happiness is. Yes, money helps, but for me, happiness is much more important.

apologies,

to clarify i was saying i'd rather be rich and happy! and i cant see why anyone couldnt have both! money can be got, happiness not so much, find happiness and you can find money after

Dudess

OutlawPete wrote: »

One thing I have noticed about women is they ALWAYS look at a guys shoes, always. If David Attenborough ever does a documentary in a nightclub, this is one thing he can't miss.

Why, I have no idea, but they do

I would say if a guy is a 9 on looks but looks broke and another guy is a 7 but looks like he won't have any trouble paying for the cab, he's the guy your talking to.

All very speculative... I'm delighted you can speak for women though... even though I don't look at a guy's shoes whatsoever.

consultech wrote: »

Several assumptive personal attacks (to which, I'm far too articulate to ever need to stoop to by the way)

Good for you.

Dudess

OutlawPete wrote: »

You are.

Oh my god... based on? Anecdotal evidence can prove anything. Just because it is your social world, does not mean it's everyone's. It certainly isn't mine.

stovelid

The logical conclusion of saying that money matters so much is that loving successful relationships should therefore only exist for people who are well-off.

Clearly an assertion that I'm sure many of us can refute from personal experience.

OutlawPete

Dudess wrote: »

Why on earth would some men have a poor opinion of women other than because of their own personal experiences?

Cause they see it.

I don't need to go out with every b**** in Dublin to know that they are there.

I see them with my own eyes.

I am 36 and so at my age you tend to see a lot of s*** happening though friends relationships alone.

Maybe YOU are not like that but I can fathom how any woman could be ...

Actually you what, I can.

I see that too, women have their eyes closed to how badly women treat men, you just don't see it as it doesn't really effect you.

StinkySocs

I would marry for money, I love money, money loves me. When proverty comes in the door, loves flies out the window!:D

Dudess

OutlawPete wrote: »

I see that too, women have their eyes closed to how badly women treat men, you just don't see it as it doesn't really effect you.

Wtf? How on earth do you have the faintest clue that I'm unaware of how badly some women treat men?

stovelid

OutlawPete wrote: »

I see that too, women have their eyes closed to how badly women treat men, you just don't see it as it doesn't really effect you.

While I've seen some pretty bad cases of how women can treat men (and vice versa) myself, it's certainly not the case for every relationship I've either had or am aware of. With that in mind, I could never extrapolate that all women are likely to act a certain way even if I've had or witnessed very negative relationships?

OutlawPete

stovelid wrote: »

The logical conclusion of saying that money matters so much is that loving successful relationships should therefore only exist for people who are well-off.

Clearly an assertion that I'm sure many of us can refute from personal experience.

In fairness nobody is arguing that point.

I have already stated that relationships can work without money but I also know that they can fall apart very fast without it.

stovelid wrote: »

I could never extrapolate that all women are likely to act a certain way even if I've had or witnessed very negative relationships?

Who did that?

we'llallhavetea_old

OutlawPete wrote: »

You are.

always knew i was special
seriously though, maybe this cynicism comes with old age :pac:

Come one, when your on a night out, you don't see women playing men?

You need to come to Dublin and watch women walking in guys. Maybe where you are the amount of men is limited so it's not so bad, but in Dublin Women are in a fcuking sweet shop and they know it.

i'm usually too busy actin the bollocks with my friends

(i have actually ventured to the big smoke on several occasions ye know!:p)

That's cause your sound

yep, and ALONE! :mad: its really workin out for me :rolleyes:

OutlawPete

Dudess wrote: »

Wtf? How on earth do you have the faintest clue that I'm unaware of how badly some women treat men?

When did I mention you??

Can I not use the word "women" ??

stovelid

OutlawPete wrote: »

Who did that?

Just the idea in general that women are out for money. It's certainly a perception that exists for some people. I have witnessed myself in my own experience and in the lives of others, but I think there are enough women who don't do it for me to be sanguine about the phenomenon.

Dudess

OutlawPete wrote: »

When did I mention you??

Can I not use the word "women" ??

In the bit that I quoted. I'm a bit "wtf" with some of what you're saying tbh. You're just making these blanket statements, some of them with zero back-up or else "I'm willing to bet" type qualifications, and then you plead "I don't mean ALL women". Irrespective of that, the statements are pretty darn full-on. Like

I see that too, women have their eyes closed to how badly women treat men, you just don't see it as it doesn't really effect you.

That is pretty bad... even if you don't mean all women. And the last part is again speculative. You're not even bothering to give examples.

Some people are shit - why this obsession with their gender, even if it shapes particular behaviours? If they're bad people, they're bad people. Some of the stuff here is borderline misogynistic. And I would happily state that the equivalent being said about men in a Ladies' Lounge discussion is borderline misandric.

The Lovely Muffin

candlelover wrote: »

apologies,

to clarify i was saying i'd rather be rich and happy! and i cant see why anyone couldnt have both! money can be got, happiness not so much, find happiness and you can find money after

Ah right,

Thanks for the clarification.

OutlawPete

It's tedious in the extreme to keep having to say *most* and *not all* but I will be doing it in all posts from this point on as it seems it is needed.

stovelid wrote: »

Just the idea in general that women are out for money.

Well, I have it already earlier in the thread, bit no problem repeating it.

I don't think women are out for money at all.

What I do think is that it plays a large part in the 'selection process' for *most* women when choosing who and who not to engage with.

I could tell it myself just from what clothes I wear.

If I just wore a t-shirt and jeans, it would be pulling teeth trying to chat with women, wear a suit jacket and tie and their whole body language changes.

I hear my gf's friends talking and they have a code for guys who are broke, it's "creep". They don't know it's code though, but it is. I often ask them, tongue in cheek, why that guy was a creep and its: "Oh, look at him, his shoes are scruffy, his shirt's from Penny's .. he just looks like a creep" and they'll laugh.

It's got nothing to do with the guy being a "creep" at all, they don't even know him or any other guy, but *most* women judge men by how they present themselves.

stovelid wrote: »

I think there are enough women who don't do it for me to be sanguine about the phenomenon.

Saying that there are "Enough" women who don't do it, implies that you realise that most do.

ronaldoshaky

Whats the point of arguing about it. Like if you meet one decent girl, you dont need to even think about the rest.

OutlawPete

Dudess wrote: »

I'm delighted you can speak for women though...

I didn't "speak for women", nor am I trying to, i'm speaking for me.

Dudess

OutlawPete wrote: »

It's tedious in the extreme to keep having to say *most* and *not all* but I will be doing it in all posts from this point on as it seems it is needed.

Nope, not at all. It's more the unsubstantiated accusations you make rather than the lack of "most" or "not all" prefixing "women". I love how you keep ignoring my points btw.

I hear my gf's friends talking and they have a code for guys who are broke, it's "creep". They don't know it's code though, but it is. I often ask them, tongue in cheek, why that guy was a creep and its: "Oh, look at him, his shoes are scruffy, his shirt's from Penny's .. he just looks like a creep" and they'll laugh.

Sound like a bunch of morons - I'm not friends with any girls like that. And they're in their 20s/30s?! :eek:

stovelid

OutlawPete wrote: »

"Enough" women who don't do it, implies that you realise that most do.

Not really.

I've met women that do and heard of women that do, but saying that the "majority" do is much too far of an extrapolation for me to make. Only me, mind.

That said: it would be useful to define what the money angle is. A case of cynically foregoing love to marry into wealth and a couple wanting relative financial security are two different things, financial security meaning anything from wealth to simply holding a job down.

Dudess

It seems like the goalposts just keep being moved on that score, Stovelid.

It went from "most women marry for money" to "most women will include financial security among other desirable traits when choosing a partner" as if they're remotely the same thing.

stovelid

Lads, we're five pages in and I still haven't got a chance to post my Meatloaf video.

Sort it out.

Mrmoe

I can't locate the original research paper but I think it shows that financial matters are definitely a factor in deciding for women to get married to their partner. It is not the only one, but it is a factor. I couldn't blame women if they used this as a metric in deciding if they wanted to get married.

http://www.livescience.com/culture/090212-men-know.html

"1. Offer money, love and dependability
Gals want looks and smarts. While you men can't control those two characteristics much, take heart: Money and character are also important to women. A study in December of more than 1,000 undergraduate students revealed women's top mate characteristics were mutual attraction and love, dependable character, and emotional stability.
Quality time counts, too.
A survey of more than 5,000 U.S. couples published in the journal Social Forces in 2006 suggested women are happiest in their marriages when men show a high level of emotional engagement: expressing positive emotions; being attentive to their wives' needs; and setting aside time for activities focused specifically on the relationship."

Dudess

Ah... just post the ****ing thing and get it over with. :pac:














/biggens hair and uses hairspray can as mic for the girl singing bit

OutlawPete

Dudess wrote: »

You're just making these blanket statements, some of them with zero back-up

How exactly I am supposed to back up my feelings? Mates divorce papers, video evidence of women treating men like **** in clubs?

Come on, we are on an internet forum.

You give your opinion on these matters and move on. I said many times in my posts with We'llAllHaveTea that I mean "most" and "not all" but have to start implying that I mean ALL women cause it suits your argument.

Your comments to that other poster were getting very close to been personal and had I said anything like that about you or any other woman on this thread then then you would have on it very fast.

I have stuck to what I feel because of my experiences in this city.

Dudess wrote: »

.. and then you plead "I don't mean ALL women".

Look, I don't "PLEAD" for nothing, okay?

I am just telling you what I said. Many times I said "most" and "not all", either accept it or don't, I couldn't care less.

Dudess wrote: »

Irrespective of that, the statements are pretty darn full-on.

I feel women have finance pretty high on their check list when it comes to guys, if you wanna see that as full-on, so be it.

OutlawPete

Dudess wrote: »

Nope, not at all. It's more the unsubstantiated accusations

I am supposed to provide a study for my opinions? :rolleyes:

Dudess wrote: »

I love how you keep ignoring my points btw.

I have answered your points ffs.

Dudess

I already said I know you don't mean all women, but I still find your comments pretty grim - Consultech trolls misogynistic sh1t, don't worry about him.
You're basing your sometimes speculative statements on your personal experiences, your feelings - that is not the bigger picture, even if you don't mean all women. It's not my experience - I don't know women like those awful sounding ones your gf is mates with. And you haven't addressed all my points - e.g. the one about how a lot of women don't take on board how men can get treated like crap by women. What a thing to say!

If you feel many women consider money a high priority when getting a man, fair enough, but how you "feel" is not necessarily the reality. And considering money a high priority, again, is not the same as "marrying for money".

OutlawPete

Dudess wrote: »

You're basing your sometimes speculative statements on your personal experiences, your feelings - that is not the bigger picture, even if you don't mean all women.

As I have said, I am 36 years old, my experience of women is a little more than just watching an episode of SATC.

It's based on mu relationships, friends relationshipis, working relationships and just basically being a man in Ireland in his mid 30's and all that entails.

You may not agree with me but you can't just say it's "speculative" and so doesn't matter. I'm sure you have your opinions on various topics.

In general I find Irish women rude and that they treat men pretty badly, that's my experience and so it tends to dictate my opinion as it would with most sane people.

Dudess wrote: »

It's not my experience - I don't know women like those awful sounding ones your gf is mates with.

Okay, fine .. that's you and I'm me.

Dudess wrote: »

women don't take on board how men can get treated like crap by women. What a thing to say!

I have had this discussion on boards with women who said that men were imaging it and it must be a case of *sour grapes* for any man that has the audacity to suggest that women are rude to men who approach them.

I have seen women laughing at mere mention that women beat their husbands I find most women do not get the fact that men get treated like crap.

So, yes it is fully reasonable to say that most women do not take it board on Men get treated badly in society.

Dudess wrote: »

If you feel many women consider money a high priority when getting a man, fair enough, but how you "feel" is not necessarily the reality.

Look that's how I feel. How YOU feel is not necessarily the reality either, pointless comment. We are expressing our opinions are trying to reason why we have acquired them, that is all either side can do.

Dudess wrote: »

And considering money a high priority, again, is not the same as "marrying for money".

Again, I NEVER said that it was. Could you quit saying that now please, four times is enough for me to make it clear that is not my opinion. it's getting tedious having to repeat it.

Dudess

You misunderstand me. The thread asks "Would you marry for money?" - you and Consultech respond with "Yes, a lot of women consider money high on the list of priorities when looking for a partner". So you're answering, but to a different question. I never said you consider them one and the same.

Anyway, circles. But in fairness, can you really blame a woman for getting a bit ticked off by what you're saying?

OutlawPete

Dudess wrote: »

But it's what the thread asks...

Anyway, circles. But in fairness, can you really blame a woman for getting a bit ticked off by what you're saying?

I understand it doesn't seem to ring through from your point of view but it's how it is.

Most women just see things from their point of view and won't even try and see that maybe men have a point.

Women are treated differently in society and you just naturally assume that men must be treated the same, we aren't.

Take something like child rape, anytime in comes up in a thread women are all over it (and men) saying what they would do to him and last week we had that bitch who raped a 12 year old boy 200 times and yet those same women did not show up on the thread, why?

Some guys were also notably forgiving where they wouldn't have been for a man raping a girl 200 times.

Anyway, a different topic but it's the issue really.

There is a level of behavior in society from women that is tolerated where as if it was a man, it wouldn't be. We have come to accept it as the norm and in my eyes men are seen as second class citizens.

yogalady

marrying for money is the hardest way to earn it. Very true saying!

Dudess

Y'see, while I know you keep repeating you don't mean all women, as a woman, it's kinda hard for me not to take all these comments you're making some bit personally - surely you can understand that? I'm not denying the reality of what you say at all, but I still think you're applying it to a lot more women than reality. Those women seem awful - I don't believe awful people are in large numbers. Maybe I'm being naive.

OutlawPete wrote: »

Take something like child rape, anytime in comes up in a thread women are all over it (and men) saying what they would do to him and last week we had that bitch who raped a 12 year old boy 200 times and yet those same women did not show up on the thread, why?

Did you not SEE my posts on that thread? I then went and started a thread on it in The Gentlemen's Club so it could be discussed without the really "original" South Park "nice" clip on a loop. I've said to Ladies' Lounge moderators that I think that forum can be quite anti men at times.
I don't really want to be going into my personal life, but fup it: I researched, in depth, domestic abuse (physical, emotional, psychological, sexual) experienced by men, and fathers' rights.
I'd be one of the first to say men can have it really shit because of their gender in various situations... as can women though. And there are double standards - but affecting both genders.

OutlawPete

You edited your post so I'm replying separately.

Dudess wrote: »

You misunderstand me. The thread asks "Would you marry for money?" - you and Consultech respond with "Yes, a lot of women consider money high on the list of priorities when looking for a partner". So you're answering, but to a different question.

Nonsense!

We didn't "answer, to a different question" - we gave our opinions.

I gave my opinion.

Dudess wrote: »

I never said you consider them one and the same.

Three times you implied that I did. Here's the last one in black and white:

Dudess wrote: »

If you feel many women consider money a high priority when getting a man, fair enough, but how you "feel" is not necessarily the reality. And considering money a high priority, again, is not the same as "marrying for money".

If that is not directed at me then why are you saying it?? I have already stated that I do not agree with the Poll so why feel the need to tell someone who doesn't feel they are the same - that they are not the same.

The only reason to that, is to imply that is their opinion.

Come on Dudess.

littlefriend

OutlawPete wrote: »

I could tell it myself just from what clothes I wear.

If I just wore a t-shirt and jeans, it would be pulling teeth trying to chat with women, wear a suit jacket and tie and their whole body language changes.

noooooooooo, don't do that.

Dudess

Nope, definitely just saying it seemed you and Consultech were answering a different question to what the OP asked - interpret it how you want.

OutlawPete

Dudess wrote: »

Did you not SEE my posts on that thread?

Yes, I thanked some of them but you are not one of the women I was referring to. As a matter if fact I said as much on the thread.

Dudess wrote: »

I then went and started a thread on it in The Gentlemen's Club so it could be discussed without the really "original" South Park "nice" clip on a loop.

I didn't see it, I never go there. I'm not a gentleman :pac:

Dudess wrote: »

I've said to Ladies' Lounge moderators that I think that forum can be quite anti men at times.
I don't really want to be going into my personal life, but fup it: I researched, in depth, domestic abuse (physical, emotional, psychological, sexual) experienced by men, and fathers' rights.
I'd be one of the first to say men can have it really shit because of their gender in various situations... as can women though. And there are double standards - but affecting both genders.

Fair enough but i really wasn't aiming ANY of my comments at you, I try VERY hard not to get personal with people on Boards as I wouldn't like it to be done to me.

Unless it was sexual in nature, that's fine

OutlawPete

Dudess wrote: »

Nope, definitely just saying it seemed you and Consultech were answering a different question to what the OP asked - interpret it how you want.

In fairness Dudess, that's not what happened.

I came on and said what I thought.

Comments were made about the Poll and I said what my opinions were, that was all.

I explained that I didn't feel women would JUST marry for money from the get go.

When you say something in a post as you did, the implication is there that that is there opinion.

If I said to you now:

"Dudesss, by the way AGAIN, some men hit women, but that doesn't mean ALL men beat their wives."

Is that not me implying that that is how you feel?

Come on, it's obvious that it is.

Dudess

OutlawPete wrote: »

Come on Dudess.

:eek:

Sexist pig!

milnerrm

definately

OutlawPete

littlefriend wrote: »

noooooooooo, don't do that.

See!!!

Women have NOOooo respect for guys, just telling me what to do :pac:

littlefriend

OutlawPete wrote: »

See!!!

Women have NOOooo respect for guys, just telling me what to do :pac:

heehee.

[Seriously though, that look is a total turn off ].

When I'd finished assessing the shoes, I'd be thinking of where to bring him shopping to meet with my requirements

recylingbin

I was offered 3 grand to marry an australian girl about ten years ago.
We were in a nightclub and a friend and i were chatting these two girls up. They invited us back to their place and after a rake of drink, one of them started crying (and not in the good way).
She went on to explain that her visa was up in 2 months but that she really wanted to stay. She said she'd give me 3 grand and live with me for 6 months(or maybe more, I was very drunk) whereupon she'd give me another unremembered sum of money, split up and she'd feck off.
Got a taxi home about 7 or 8 the next morning with my friend and discussed it with him. He said I should go for it. Woke up on sunday afternoon and couldn't remember her address. Unfortunately, neither could my friend.

She was a lasher too.
At least she was when I was ratted.

OutlawPete

If Men wanna where Suit jackets and rope ties, what of it :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHvIT5qmS1I

littlefriend

OutlawPete wrote: »

If Men wanna where Suit jackets and rope ties, what of it :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHvIT5qmS1I

:cool: yourself. I thought you were complaining of the necessity to wear them in order to speak to women.



still think they look **** ;)though

OutlawPete

littlefriend wrote: »

:cool: yourself. I thought you were complaining of the necessity to wear them in order to speak to women.

Well, if didn't wear one, I'd be single :pac:

littlefriend

OutlawPete wrote: »

Well, if didn't wear one, I'd be single :pac:

haha better keep it on so.

laterzzzzz

orourkeda

If marrying a woman with money comes with the guarantee of getting your stones licked on demand then I'm all for it.

OutlawPete

Didn't notice this reply.

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

seriously though, maybe this cynicism comes with old age :pac:

Cheeky, when I was Bruce I was distinguished, now I'm old

we'llallhavetea_old

OutlawPete wrote: »

Cheeky, when I was Bruce I was distinguished, now I'm old

soooooo oooooold :pac:

don't be dericulous, you've a shining personality and a fluctuating bank balance. a total catch.