Dublin Metrolink (just Metrolink posts here -see post #1 )

road_high

annfield1978 wrote: »

Keep an eye out on E tenders as tender for New Metro North to be issued shortly

Are they actually going to build something or more reports and investigations?

roadmaster

Would it be possible that a grand coalition of irish contractors in a JV could built the metro or would outside experience still be needed?

monument

road_high wrote: »

Are they actually going to build something or more reports and investigations?

They are turning the clock back on the planning process, which means that they'll need more reports etc before building anything.

Sam Russell

strassenwo!f wrote: »

Sam, can we get things clarified here? We all know it is obvious that the metronorth will eventually be extended south, but we don't know how.

Why is it that the following post, posted after yours, by your moderator colleague bk, is allowed to stand without reprimand:



I am confident that many people would wish the metronorth project to tie in directly with the Sandyford/Cherrywood Luas route, and the poster bk's use of the words 'how' and 'where', rather than 'if' and 'how', show how he/she feels, and is probably designed to give the impression that this is a fait accompli, but we haven't actually seen anything (officially) to that effect yet.

As such, this connection remains a dream, or - as you say - a design idea, for the likes of the poster bk.

Since there has been no reprimand, could you clarify if you see it this way too?

Mod: Banned for 7 days for backseat moderation. If you have comments on moderation then use the PM or Report Post.

annfield1978

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=117081&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

roadmaster

annfield1978 wrote: »

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=117081&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

When they say approx 14 stations does that mean there not fully sure how many they can afford yet?

lateconnection

roadmaster wrote: »

When they say approx 14 stations does that mean there not fully sure how many they can afford yet?

The new metro north project will have 14 stations. It is planned to have 6 underground, with 8 on the surface. However, as surface running in Ballymun is likely to be rejected, that would bring the underground station total up to 8.

So they are probably only saying 14 and not specifying the number of overground and underground stations because they are cognizant of the fact that surface running in Ballymun may be rejected.

lateconnection

Regarding a link up with the Luas Green Line and Metro South, it is mentioned in the RFT that:

''The NMN scheme is likely to link with the existing Green Line (a surface light rail line) in the South City area and the design services will include for continuation of metro services southwards past the tie-in point, together with any associated surface light rail changes.''

Surface light rail changes could be a hint that road crossings could be closed..

Anyway, this is only me guessing and I could be completely wrong, so I suppose we will just have to see what transpires when the details are fully announced.

Muahahaha

roadmaster wrote: »

Would it be possible that a grand coalition of irish contractors in a JV could built the metro or would outside experience still be needed?

Not sure but I recall on the Port Tunnel that a Japanese company was used for boring it. Not even sure if any Irish based contractors have done tunnels before, maybe someone here knows.

Avada

Muahahaha wrote: »

Not sure but I recall on the Port Tunnel that a Japanese company was used for boring it. Not even sure if any Irish based contractors have done tunnels before, maybe someone here knows.

I think BAM, who have an Irish subsidiary, are heavily involved in crossrail.

marno21

lateconnection wrote: »

Regarding a link up with the Luas Green Line and Metro South, it is mentioned in the RFT that:

''The NMN scheme is likely to link with the existing Green Line (a surface light rail line) in the South City area and the design services will include for continuation of metro services southwards past the tie-in point, together with any associated surface light rail changes.''

Surface light rail changes could be a hint that road crossings could be closed..

Anyway, this is only me guessing and I could be completely wrong, so I suppose we will just have to see what transpires when the details are fully announced.

If the metrifed Green Line has 90m teams and 90 second frequencies road crossings will have to be closed

annfield1978

Avada wrote: »

I think BAM, who have an Irish subsidiary, are heavily involved in crossrail.

Sisk Dragados heavily involved in crossrail

http://www.dsjv.co.uk/

Donegal Storm

annfield1978 wrote: »

Sisk Dragados heavily involved in crossrail

http://www.dsjv.co.uk/

Carillon, Balfour, Skanska etc all have Irish subsidies as well, I'd imagine the construction tender would attract a worldwide interest though. Plenty of skilled Irish tunneling workers in the UK who'd move home in a heartbeat though if they were guaranteed several years work

Consonata

Any sign of the tender for MN?

Avada

Consonata wrote: »

Any sign of the tender for MN?

Yeah further up the page.

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=117081&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

thomasj

So whoever wins the project will be responsible for the concepts, eis, planning permission etc

roadmaster

I have no problem with non Irish contractors as I worked for one for most of my civils life but I think it would be good if an all Irish JV could win the tender and complete the project

bk

roadmaster wrote: »

I have no problem with non Irish contractors as I worked for one for most of my civils life but I think it would be good if an all Irish JV could win the tender and complete the project

I couldn't care less as long as it gets built.

MayoSalmon

bk wrote:

I couldn't care less as long as it gets built.

Exactly seriously couldn't care if you got in 200,000 Indians on 5 euro a day to build the ****ing thing at this point

monument

MJohnston wrote: »

Even if they just bore/excavate enough space for the stations to be 90m eventually, and only build platforms to 60m, that'd be fine.

That said, we've no idea if they'll keep the shortened lengths for the New New Metro plan or not.

If they go with 60m, I'm sure a few of us could challenge it when they apply for railway order.

roadmaster

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Exactly seriously couldn't care if you got in 200,000 Indians on 5 euro a day to build the ****ing thing at this point

One of the biggest projects in the Irish state and you wont mind if no Irish people work on it or that fact that main contractor will take all the profits out of the state when we can probably do it ourselfs apart from some specialist work .

BonnieSituation

roadmaster wrote: »

One of the biggest projects in the Irish state and you wont mind if no Irish people work on it or that fact that main contractor will take all the profits out of the state when we can probably do it ourselfs apart from some specialist work .

Well then, an Irish JV better put in a decent bid eh?

Dardania

roadmaster wrote: »

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Exactly seriously couldn't care if you got in 200,000 Indians on 5 euro a day to build the ****ing thing at this point

One of the biggest projects in the Irish state and you wont mind if no Irish people work on it or that fact that main contractor will take all the profits out of the state when we can probably do it ourselfs apart from some specialist work .

I'm not the OP, but feel the same way. Not interested in the labour pains, just want the baby. If Irish companies can come back with advantageous bids, for sure they should be considered, but no issue with it going to someone else if the end result is the same. That nationalistic thinking is not helpful in the long run - and sometimes Irish companies can be less competitive if they think they're a shoe-in for the work.
The workers on the project it would be great if they were Irish - build up everyone's experience.

MJohnston

My goodness, I really hope we get some official news of this soon, look what we've been reduced to!

bk

roadmaster wrote: »

One of the biggest projects in the Irish state and you wont mind if no Irish people work on it or that fact that main contractor will take all the profits out of the state when we can probably do it ourselfs apart from some specialist work .

I don't care where the people come from as long as they are the best people to do the job and they will do it too a high quality, on schedule and in budget.

One way or another I suspect a great many "Irish" * people will work on the project and those who are brought in from abroad will be living here and paying taxes, etc. the same as any person living in Ireland.

* I assume when you say "Irish" people you include in that the many foreigners who have lived here for years now, have family here and many even have Irish passports and who work all over the "Irish" building and engineering trades.

D.L.R.

Foreign help is inevitable here. We've no experience building underground rail. Let's get the best people in for the job.

CatInABox

D.L.R. wrote: »

Foreign help is inevitable here. We've no experience building underground rail. Let's get the best people in for the job.

Yes, it's going to be foreign companies with the proper expertise coming in to run the project. It's not like they're going to fly in thousands of staff to do the job though, most of the workers will come from the Irish worker pool anyway. Irish companies will be sub-contracted is the easiest and fastest way of getting the workers, but they'll probably directly employ a fair amount as well.

roadmaster

bk wrote: »

I don't care where the people come from as long as they are the best people to do the job and they will do it too a high quality, on schedule and in budget.

One way or another I suspect a great many "Irish" * people will work on the project and those who are brought in from abroad will be living here and paying taxes, etc. the same as any person living in Ireland.

* I assume when you say "Irish" people you include in that the many foreigners who have lived here for years now, have family here and many even have Irish passports and who work all over the "Irish" building and engineering trades.

Can i ask you why you are trying to paint me as some kind of racist? All i said was i would hope its Irish companies that win it so the profits will stay in the country(maybe i should clarify that is if they put in a good price) I never mentioned nationalities of the people in my original post, but i would have a problem if cheap labour was parachuted in and Irish born citizens or people from other country's who have worked here for many years get shafted because they might want a decent wage.

Sam Russell

Mod: Can we cut out the nonsense please.

Under EU rules, the tenders are judged on price and a few other criteria, and presumably that is what will happen. Most people will be delighted if it gets built. The question as to who gets to build it will be decided on the contents of tender documents.

CatInABox

https://twitter.com/campaignforleo/status/902642186126229504


Interesting. There's some other good info in his tweets there.