Dublin Metrolink (just Metrolink posts here -see post #1 )

yabadabado

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Why?

Given that the last one was dismantled and recycled I would doubt it would be much use in Dublin.

Sure usually they just get rammed into the earth when completed and buried.

Won't the two TBMs needed also be used on DU? I think I saw that was the plan.


I think Crossrail used 8 TBMs they hardly buried all of them, must be a better way to dispose of them. Is it cost that sees them buried when the job is completed or do they have a short life cycle?

BonnieSituation

yabadabado wrote: »

Won't the two TBMs needed also be used on DU? I think I saw that was the plan.


I think Crossrail used 8 TBMs they hardly buried all of them, must be a better way to dispose of them. Is it cost that sees them buried when the job is completed or do they have a short life cycle?

If you read what I said that in a lot of cases they are buried. I also said that in the case of Crossrail, the last one used, Victoria, was dismantled and recycled. It would strike me as that might have also been the fate of the previous 7. But I don't care enough to investigate that tbh.

There's something for you and Stephen to go and find out for the rest of us.

ricimaki

TBMs are designed for specific rock/soil types, and cannot be used with the wrong type. I think the crossrail project had 2 different types, as did the eurotunnel back in the day

BowSideChamp

If the local community don't support a 3billion metro serving them then don't give it to them. Build the line somewhere else. The ****e coming out of Na Fianna is typical Nimbyism.

marno21

BowSideChamp wrote: »

If the local community don't support a 3billion metro serving them then don't give it to them. Build the line somewhere else. The ****e coming out of Na Fianna is typical Nimbyism.

Why should the rest of the people along the corridor have to suffer because Na Fianna's members are objecting?

This is Ireland. No matter what you build, where you build it and how beneficial it is, someone will still object.

ricimaki

Here's a handy tool to help you decide which TBM you should buy! Shame they don't list prices...

LeinsterDub

ricimaki wrote: »

Here's a handy tool to help you decide which TBM you should buy! Shame they don't list prices...

Are you suggesting we all club together and build our own poxy metro? Because if you are I'm in.

murphaph

I think when TBMs are buried they often strip out all the reusable stuff like electrical switchgear and the conveyor system etc. and just leave the chassis and cutting head buried. All that stuff can be carried out through the tunnel.

salmocab

Without doing any research would the TBMs for the DU not need to be bigger than the metro ones?

bk

salmocab wrote: »

Without doing any research would the TBMs for the DU not need to be bigger than the metro ones?

Maybe, depends on what they want for DU. If it is just DART's and nothing else, then maybe, but if they want the tunnel to also be able to support long distance and intercity trains, then it would need to be wider.

murphaph

bk wrote: »

Maybe, depends on what they want for DU. If it is just DART's and nothing else, then maybe, but if they want the tunnel to also be able to support long distance and intercity trains, then it would need to be wider.

Is the loading gauge really wider or taller on the intercity stock?

madbeanman

Was the Irish language name of this service announced?

I would like it to be Luas Underground or even call it Dart Underground and then add the original Dart Underground proposal later. There is a lack of a feeling of cohesion to the DUblin transport system.

cgcsb

looks like the cabra station on the enhanced DART service now won't happen because the site now has permission for housing:

https://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/marlet-gets-green-light-for-420-homes-in-dublin-36739436.html

I'm reminded of the apartment block in Smithfield that was built over the route of the proposed bus lane. I wonder have the powers that be copped on to this one yet? ? it certainly doesn't inspire confidence.

yabadabado

Any way the Dart station could still be incorporated into the development?

jd

yabadabado wrote: »

Any way the Dart station could still be incorporated into the development?

I think so - here is the plan

CatInABox

I posted it in the other thread as well, but I'm pretty sure that the developers would be delighted at a Dart station going in roght next to their development, surely it would add to the sale price of all the units.

tobsey

jd wrote: »

I think so - here is the plan

Yeah should be no problem. You'd fit the main part of Pearse station in there.

Pixel Eater

cgcsb wrote: »

looks like the cabra station on the enhanced DART service now won't happen because the site now has permission for housing:

https://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/marlet-gets-green-light-for-420-homes-in-dublin-36739436.html

I'm reminded of the apartment block in Smithfield that was built over the route of the proposed bus lane. I wonder have the powers that be copped on to this one yet? ? it certainly doesn't inspire confidence.

jd wrote: »

I think so - here is the plan

Doesn't appear obvious (at least to me) where the station would go; I assume it be outside the red boundary line and over the tracks? It seems four tracking at that section too.

Just wondering, it's former CIE land; is this development a PPP? Or did the private developer just buy it outright?

Grandeeod

Pixel Eater wrote: »

Doesn't appear obvious (at least to me) where the station would go; I assume it be outside the red boundary line and over the tracks? It seems four tracking at that section too.

Just wondering, it's former CIE land; is this development a PPP? Or did the private developer just buy it outright?

CIE sold the site in 2004 for €28m.

CarlosHarpic

Pixel Eater wrote: »

Doesn't appear obvious (at least to me) where the station would go

Loads of room to work with there. Won't be any great feat building a station there. There is a tall grass embankment on the other side. They could comfortably fit three platforms if they wanted.

MJohnston

cgcsb wrote: »

looks like the cabra station on the enhanced DART service now won't happen because the site now has permission for housing:

https://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/marlet-gets-green-light-for-420-homes-in-dublin-36739436.html

I'm reminded of the apartment block in Smithfield that was built over the route of the proposed bus lane. I wonder have the powers that be copped on to this one yet? ? it certainly doesn't inspire confidence.

There's still plenty of room for a station even with this development (which has been in the works for years now).

roadmaster

CatInABox wrote: »

I posted it in the other thread as well, but I'm pretty sure that the developers would be delighted at a Dart station going in roght next to their development, surely it would add to the sale price of all the units.

Especially with the reduction of parking spaces for apartments with the new planning rules. i could be wrong but if you have public transport such as luas or rail on your doorstep you can get add an extra 15% on the asking price normally would be

lucernarian

bk wrote: »

Yes a great deal. This is one of the major goals of this plan.

At least 40,000 population increase planned for the Swords area and tens of thousands more apartments along the Green line to the south of the City.

We already talked about that specific aspect before BK, I showed what sort of development/brownfield sites are available near the Metrolink route from the Govt. agency responsible for documenting this, and those numbers are grossly inflated. Shouldn't you try to back your claim up with actual evidence like I have before?

The point really is that almost all housing that's planned along the green line/"metrolink" is happening irrespective of the new Metro - so it's a bit disingenuous to cite that as a major advantage of the scheme. What it WILL do is serve large swathes of Dublin with a far superior level of transport, and let people get across the city far more rapidly and conveniently. Many plans in Swords (like near the Pavilions) are already planning-approved, and right now the land around the Airport is being mooted as suitable for large business and office development.

lucernarian

MJohnston wrote: »

There's still plenty of room for a station even with this development (which has been in the works for years now).

Indeed there is, the site layout seems to leave enough space along the sidings, though I'm a little concerned about site/station access points (most rail stations have their catchment areas limited by the number of entrances.

This map is a little bigger than the one above
http://www.cabrashd.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Site-Location_Cabra-SHD-N195-A01_P1.pdf

I'd still like to see the station closer to the Phoenix Park just because of the very high density of housing in the northern part of Stoneybatter, plus the O'Devaney Gardens redevelopment plans. The Cabra sidings are a lot cheaper though.

cgcsb

A station at Blackhorse Avenue might also be possible.

lucernarian

cgcsb wrote: »

A station at Blackhorse Avenue might also be possible.

This is what I'm thinking of. I don't know if there's the space for it, but I guess that's for a different thread. It's not featuring in the govt's latest plan though, so I won't hold my breath.

ciaran75

sitting at lunch there and two lads next to me talking about metro build
appears his house is getting destroyed but wasn't sure as he's hearing different things each day, has meeting this Wednesday

he had a great quote, "i just hope they fast track this build and feck the whingy bast&rds like me"

marno21

Some light reading for a Tuesday afternoon

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2362918/underground-dream-metrolink-between-dublin-airport-and-city-centre-will-be-a-nightmare/

lucernarian

ciaran75 wrote: »

sitting at lunch there and two lads next to me talking about metro build
appears his house is getting destroyed but wasn't sure as he's hearing different things each day, has meeting this Wednesday

he had a great quote, "i just hope they fast track this build and feck the whingy bast&rds like me"

Colour me sceptical, I just can't imagine anyone ever saying that in a million years. MAYBE something like "I just hope they fast track the build and give me good compensation" but "feck me and my house"

Sam Russell

marno21 wrote: »

Some light reading for a Tuesday afternoon

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2362918/underground-dream-metrolink-between-dublin-airport-and-city-centre-will-be-a-nightmare/

Complaining the they got 48 hours notice is nonsense. They have three months to make representations. If they got more notice, what would they have done - gone to the papers? They did that anyway, so what more could they do? Perhaps propose an alternative might be an idea. There have been a few suggestions further up this thread.

They will have a Metro stop at their ground - that must be worth a lot to any club. Perhaps they should ask for the stop to be be named 'Na Fianna' as part of their compo.