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Waterford/Rosslare Strand Railway reaches the buffer stops (again)!

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    #1082
    Partizan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Partizan


    What are the chances of a private operator being successfull and given control of the line? What about the unions?

    Are they then responsible for the rolling stock, maintenance, signalling, staff etc or does IE still have control of the network and responsible for maintenance?

    I think with the 3 interested private operators is exciting news. At last we could see proper services on the line (God forbid a Sunday service) as well as a regular Waterford - Wexford and Rosslare - Limerick Junction Return service with connections at Limerick Junction for trains to Dublin, Cork, Galway and Kerry.

    If this proves to be a success, will the private operator be looking to expand to Limerick Junction or even Waterford - Kilmacthomas or (yes I know i'm getting into fantasy here) reinstating Waterford - Tramore.


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    #1083
    Hungerford
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    save the rail wrote: »
    SRG Campaigners have called on the NTA/IE and the Minister to have IE's business case for closure made public :rolleyes:

    I doubt they will voluntarily release it. From what glimpses we have of it in the SERA report, it appears to have been written in crayon by Barry Kenny.


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    #1084
    Hungerford
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    Partizan wrote: »
    What are the chances of a private operator being successfull and given control of the line? What about the unions?

    IE would be responsible for the network; the private operator would provide their own rolling stock or rent it from IE. The unions would be delighted as it would save the jobs of their members who currently work on the line.

    As for the chances of success: unknown as it's never been tried before.


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    #1085
    Oliver1985
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    Hungerford wrote: »
    IE would be responsible for the network; the private operator would provide their own rolling stock or rent it from IE. The unions would be delighted as it would save the jobs of their members who currently work on the line.

    As for the chances of success: unknown as it's never been tried before.

    The jobs are safe anyway the staff can re-locate if they want


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    #1086
    Partizan
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    Hungerford wrote: »
    IE would be responsible for the network; the private operator would provide their own rolling stock or rent it from IE. The unions would be delighted as it would save the jobs of their members who currently work on the line.

    As for the chances of success: unknown as it's never been tried before.

    When will the names of the private interested parties be released? If indeed they have put in solid proposals to run the line, I presume they are no amatures or spivs and have had experience in this line of work. What is the scope of them expanding and reopening other closed lines?

    Anyway, interesting times ahead.


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    #1087
    Judgement Day
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    I have it from an informed source (yesterday) that another "Farewell" tour over the South Wexford is being planned for September as the lines is still going to close. Seriously.


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    #1088
    foggy_lad
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    Don't knock it! If they have one of these tours every few months it might count as an extra service on the line!
    Judgement Day wrote: »
    I have it from an informed source (yesterday) that another "Farewell" tour over the South Wexford is being planned for September as the lines is still going to close. Seriously.


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    #1089
    Partizan
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    I have it from an informed source (yesterday) that another "Farewell" tour over the South Wexford is being planned for September as the lines is still going to close. Seriously.

    The sandal wearers must be going for a world record of farewell tours and chicken dinners.

    Seriously, one must wonder whether or not they and IE are in cahoots.


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    #1090
    Our man in Havana
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    Hungerford wrote: »
    I doubt they will voluntarily release it. From what glimpses we have of it in the SERA report, it appears to have been written in crayon by Barry Kenny.
    I think i might FOI them for the hoot. I am well prepared to fight it all the way.


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    #1091
    dowlingm
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    Hungerford wrote: »
    The unions would be delighted as it would save the jobs of their members
    I doubt it. It would be the thin end of a fairly obvious wedge.


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    #1092
    penexpers
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    Haddockman wrote: »
    I think i might FOI them for the hoot. I am well prepared to fight it all the way.

    Irish Rail are exempt from FOI act.


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    #1093
    Our man in Havana
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    But the NTA are not.


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    #1094
    Hungerford
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    Haddockman wrote: »
    But the NTA are not.

    Nor are the Department of Transport.

    I actually suspect that the real juice would be in the DoT files.


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    #1095
    Hungerford
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    I have it from an informed source (yesterday) that another "Farewell" tour over the South Wexford is being planned for September as the lines is still going to close. Seriously.

    The problem is that IE can hold as many farewell tours as they like over the line, the NTA have demonstrated that they would like to have the final say.

    Anyway, the closure notice under the 1958 Transport Act is legally unsound in a number of unexciting but significant ways, meaning that any attempt to shut the line using it will wind up in the courts.


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    #1096
    shamwari
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    Hungerford wrote: »
    Anyway, the closure notice under the 1958 Transport Act is legally unsound in a number of unexciting but significant ways, meaning that any attempt to shut the line using it will wind up in the courts.
    Provided someone has the time and means to pursue it that way.


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    #1097
    Our man in Havana
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    There will be. ;)


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    #1098
    Hungerford
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    shamwari wrote: »
    Provided someone has the time and means to pursue it that way.

    I believe that the first shots were fired regarding the notice's illegally a while ago...


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    #1099
    DDigital
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    I have it from an informed source (yesterday) that another "Farewell" tour over the South Wexford is being planned for September as the lines is still going to close. Seriously.

    You're joking good sir, surely?


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    #1100
    L1011
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    I'm digging up some buried memory of being told that a UK statutory instrument had to be issued to allow closure of Waterford-Mallow - which the Fishguard and Rosslare had acquired at one point, due it to being a "UK railway". Of course it the F&RR&H shares were under BR at the time. I can't find said SI cause the UK's egovernment systems are ****e compared to ours.

    Is there any possibility something similar could still be required?


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    #1101
    Our man in Havana
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    There would have to be a UK Act of Parliament to close the line.


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    #1102
    L1011
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    Has anyone made the NTA aware of that? I'd suspect its obscure enough knowledge.


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    #1103
    dowlingm
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    The line would not be closed. Just shortened to Belview.


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    #1104
    save the rail
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    I have it from an informed source (yesterday) that another "Farewell" tour over the South Wexford is being planned for September as the lines is still going to close. Seriously.

    who is supposed to be running that? its not on IRRS tour list


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    #1105
    Our man in Havana
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    The last one wasn't either.


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    #1106
    save the rail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 170 ✭✭save the rail


    Haddockman wrote: »
    The last one wasn't either.

    the last time IRRS had it listed as a tour, just not a farewell tour


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    #1107
    Judgement Day
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    save the rail wrote: »
    who is supposed to be running that? its not on IRRS tour list

    Sorry.

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    #1108
    Our man in Havana
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    So this is will be the official farewell tour?


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    #1109
    Judgement Day
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    Don't know about official but word amongst enthusiasts seems to be that the NTA are going to give CIE/IE the nod for closure in September and the line will close the next day as notice has already been given. Although it grieves me to say it, and I sincerely hope that I'm wrong, but I think all the speculation about private interests taking over the line will come to nothing. Interestingly a well known face in the railway fraternity has been appointed to the Board of the NTA see here: http://www.nationaltransport.ie/board.html


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    #1110
    dowlingm
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    I agree with JD - I think that closure is the easy option and the only entities in this country this government will make a tough call for is the banks.


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    #1111
    Hungerford
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Don't know about official but word amongst enthusiasts seems to be that the NTA are going to give CIE/IE the nod for closure in September and the line will close the next day as notice has already been given.

    I am not so certain - none of this has played to IE's preferred script.

    The reason why they are so desperate to shut the line appears to be the fact that the EU has allocated €17 million for the upgrade of the line. This will prevent its closure because it will end up with CTC and automated gates.

    As well as that there appears to be an element in IE who want to close the line, keep it officially open for traffic and trouser the upgrade money.


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