Agenda 21 - The Depopulation Blueprint

Brown Bomber

nachoman wrote: »

mmm interesting stuff, I really think they should sterilize people living on council estates, people who drive taxis and people who drive on Dublin Bus - lets end the cycle of misery on society people.

I know your only joking but it is this kind of mild racism/discrimination that eugencists utilise. Where the great race (white, rich) is challenged by lesser evolved sub-human peoples, who have less of a right to life. For example, The Aryans and the Jews in nazi Germany.

Diogenes I wanted to ask you if you think all men are created equally.

Yitzhak Rabin

uprising2 wrote: »

WHY?

He's certainly putting his neck on the line for somebody who's just making it all up, here have a read of it, pay attention to part 22, now ask yourself WHY?.

AFFIDAVIT OF LEONARD G. HOROWITZ

I'm not going to lie, I didn't read all of that, I will though soon. But for now, here's a video series a friend of mine made about this very man.

enno99

LOL ok so he skipped a few sceince lessons

Still dont explain why he would put these allegations in a legal document if he dont have some proof

Torakx

Just a guess, it could be incase he dies unexpectadly he will have a legal statement already entered should someone need to use it.

Mahatma coat

I remeber skimmin the Document in question a few years ago
the things I picke up on were
the mandated use of Monsanto etc Proucts on all Food productions
The 'reclaiming' of large tract of land for 'Wilderness'

It struck me as somerthing so 'doogooder hippy type' had written whic was subsequently picked up an augmented by a bunch of Lobyist and Greenies.

a good idea twisted to suit a not so good agenda

studiorat

uprising2 wrote: »

WHY?

He's certainly putting his neck on the line for somebody who's just making it all up, here have a read of it, pay attention to part 22, now ask yourself WHY?.

Simples. Keeping his ass in the news... To sell more books and his own medical products.

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Truthrevolution

nachoman wrote: »

mmm interesting stuff, I really think they should sterilize people living on council estates, people who drive taxis and people who drive on Dublin Bus - lets end the cycle of misery on society people.

I grew up on a council estate in Dublin, so does this mean i should be sterilized?? lol your too late anyhow iv already got a couple of kids under my belt.....

Truthrevolution

Di0genes wrote: »

There's nothing substantive to any of the above. Please if I've taken you out context please refer to your original quotes and explain how I've taken to you out of context.

If you can't I'm afraid that you're the one engaging in strawman arguments, and running away from people who challenge your empty points...

Incidentally your genocide blueprint have you found it or just waiting for a youtube video to digest the meaning of it for you?

Ok let me just break this down for you in plain and simple terms as you seem to be having trouble comprehending......

"the actual documents cant be got online" = the documents are not available on the internet

"so how do you expect me to link you" = because its not available over the internet i cant post a link to it

"i didnt read the full blueprint as its 40 chapters long" = i havent got time to go read 40 chapters of a blueprint as im a busy man at the moment

"we have known for a while now of the elites plans to lower global population" = it is common knowledge by now that they want a lower global population

"will this be their way of impementing it?" = simply asking a question and inviting people to discuss it

UN Chairman Ted Turner
"a total world population of 250-300 million, a 95% decline from present levels" = World population at the moment is almost 7 billion so therefore you would need to SUBTRACT 95% of the worlds population (that means people)

Now go have a read back through your posts and have a think about it, you will see how you misquoted and took my messages out of context.....

And look if you really want to see the blueprint that badly i could probably get you the documents from a UN contact, but then why should i have to educate you, you need to learn how to think for yourself instead of believing everything you are told by your government and your newspapers.Oh sorry, i just realised you work for the media (government puppets)

Pixel8

Going back to the Vitamin D3 point, in this country we get very low levels of D3 from the sun because most of us work indoors, the good rays from the sun don't pass through a window...

D3 is needed by 2000 out of 10000 genes in our bodies so it is very important for smooth running of your body and immune system. Without enough D3 you will catch flu and other diseases because your immune system is low. Lack of sun in the Winter makes it easier for us to catch colds/flu's because of low Vitamin D levels.

The only answer, in this country anyway, is that we take Vitamin D supplements for 100% immune efficiency. The recommended dose of Vitamin D per day is 4000iu if you're healthy, or 6000iu if you're sick.

We won't really have confirmation of the seriousness of Vitamin D for at least another few years because it takes about 10 years for information like this to filter through the medical peer review process after it has been discovered. And it'll be even longer before they start teaching about this is school. Thank jebus for the internet.

A very interesting video about Vitamin D3:
http://www.electrobiotics.com/page.html?chapter=50&id=29

There definitely is a plan going ahead to limit the amount of goodness in Vitamins to reduce their effectiveness, didn't anyone see the flyer forms in the pharmacies a while back telling people to sign something and send it in if you agree/disagree with it etc... The name on the flyer was not Codex Alimentarius but that is basically what it is, being introduced step by step so nobody notices too much...

Stock up on your Vitamin D3, Niacin, B3 and Omega 3 and get a Colloidal Silver maker. That should be all you'll need to stay healthy for life!

Truthrevolution

Pixel8 wrote: »

Going back to the Vitamin D3 point, in this country we get very low levels of D3 from the sun because most of us work indoors, the good rays from the sun don't pass through a window...

D3 is needed by 2000 out of 10000 genes in our bodies so it is very important for smooth running of your body and immune system. Without enough D3 you will catch flu and other diseases because your immune system is low. Lack of sun in the Winter makes it easier for us to catch colds/flu's because of low Vitamin D levels.

The only answer, in this country anyway, is that we take Vitamin D supplements for 100% immune efficiency. The recommended dose of Vitamin D per day is 4000iu if you're healthy, or 6000iu if you're sick.

We won't really have confirmation of the seriousness of Vitamin D for at least another few years because it takes about 10 years for information like this to filter through the medical peer review process after it has been discovered. And it'll be even longer before they start teaching about this is school. Thank jebus for the internet.

A very interesting video about Vitamin D3:
http://www.electrobiotics.com/page.html?chapter=50&id=29

There definitely is a plan going ahead to limit the amount of goodness in Vitamins to reduce their effectiveness, didn't anyone see the flyer forms in the pharmacies a while back telling people to sign something and send it in if you agree/disagree with it etc... The name on the flyer was not Codex Alimentarius but that is basically what it is, being introduced step by step so nobody notices too much...

Stock up on your Vitamin D3, Niacin, B3 and Omega 3 and get a Colloidal Silver maker. That should be all you'll need to stay healthy for life!

Yes in the second part of the OP video i posted they also discuss Codex Alimentarius.As i said already our modern foods lack a lot of other vital vitamins and minerals like iodine, vitamin B, iron, magnesium, zinc etc. these are essential for our everyday survival

Pixel8

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Yes in the second part of the OP video i posted they also discuss Codex Alimentarius.As i said already our modern foods lack a lot of other vital vitamins and minerals like iodine, vitamin B, iron, magnesium, zinc etc. these are essential for our everyday survival

Completely agree with you.

The only way is to grow your own vegetables, chemical free and full of all the nutrients you need.

Even good supermarket food is still sh1te.

kryogen

Pixel8 wrote: »

Completely agree with you.

The only way is to grow your own vegetables, chemical free and full of all the nutrients you need.

Even good supermarket food is still sh1te.

now there your getting into something i can get along with

Codex Alimentarius

studiorat

So back to Dr. Leonard Horowitz.

I'm guessing if you believe his affidavit is genuine, you also buy into his water memory nonsense.

So is Pixel8 going to start selling Colliodial silver machines from the site too!!!

Conspiracy vodoo shills the lot of them.

Di0genes

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Yes in the second part of the OP video i posted they also discuss Codex Alimentarius.As i said already our modern foods lack a lot of other vital vitamins and minerals like iodine, vitamin B, iron, magnesium, zinc etc. these are essential for our everyday survival

And yet somehow we're not all dropping like flies.

enno99

studiorat wrote: »

So back to Dr. Leonard Horowitz.

I'm guessing if you believe his affidavit is genuine, you also buy into his water memory nonsense.

So is Pixel8 going to start selling Colliodial silver machines from the site too!!!

Conspiracy vodoo shills the lot of them.

Heres the signed copy

http://www.fluscam.com/Affidavit_files/AFFIDAVIT%20Notorized.pdf

I dont know a lot about legal stuff But considering who he is accusing
If he is dragged before a court
He will need to sell a serious amount of snake oil to get himself out of that hole

Truthrevolution

Di0genes wrote: »

And yet somehow we're not all dropping like flies, yet.......

bonkey

There are some comments here which look suspiciously like medical advice (albeit unsolicited).

Don't offer medical advice.

Truthrevolution

studiorat wrote: »

So back to Dr. Leonard Horowitz.

I'm guessing if you believe his affidavit is genuine, you also buy into his water memory nonsense.

So is Pixel8 going to start selling Colliodial silver machines from the site too!!!

Conspiracy vodoo shills the lot of them.

In fairness i dont think pixel8 is endorsing any products or trying to make money from them, he/she is just recommending people take some vitamins and colloidal silver (which is very cheap to buy)

Likewise with water cleansing products you can get them quite cheaply.You can buy flouride filters for around 15 euro which will last you for a lifetime and even the brita filter jugs that remove heavy substances metals and pesticides from your water can be bought in most supermarkets.

studiorat

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Likewise with water cleansing products you can get them quite cheaply.You can buy flouride filters for around 15 euro which will last you for a lifetime and even the brita filter jugs that remove heavy substances metals and pesticides from your water can be bought in most supermarkets.

I doubt if P8 is selling t-shirts (yet;o))

But Brita Water Jugs don't erase the MEMORY from water like Dr. Horowitz's $3000 machine does.

bonkey

Truthrevolution wrote: »

he/she is just recommending people take some vitamins and colloidal silver (which is very cheap to buy)

Don't offer medical advice

I don't care how innocuous or innocent you think it might be, nor what the person's motives are.

Anyone offering medical advice will be banned.
Anyone trying to get around this by just trying to defend what someone else was recommending will also be banned.

No more warnings.

rugbyman

I have only scanned through this thread ,but i cannot help wondering why people attack to OP, who merely asked what others think of an issue. Is there anybody on here who does not think the earth is over populated,? I think so and feel that we could do with a reduction. people on here have stated that contraception cannot deliver this, perhaps that is true but i dont think so.

tongue in cheek... clearly a cull might have benefits.

i often thought if i got a life sentence in a place where life is life would that country pay my family say,100,000 $ to see the end of me ,by suicide, and save millions.

Rugbyman

Torakx

rugbyman wrote: »

I have only scanned through this thread ,but i cannot help wondering why people attack to OP, who merely asked what others think of an issue. Is there anybody on here who does not think the earth is over populated,? I think so and feel that we could do with a reduction. people on here have stated that contraception cannot deliver this, perhaps that is true but i dont think so.

tongue in cheek... clearly a cull might have benefits.

i often thought if i got a life sentence in a place where life is life would that country pay my family say,100,000 $ to see the end of me ,by suicide, and save millions.

Rugbyman

I dont believe the earth is over populated to the extent it needs to be reversed.Its just not organised properly,this wont happen until the greedy bankers running this system are put down and power restored to the people of countries not the rich.
Id rather we cull 1% off the richest in the world and restore some peace and wealth to the people.
Preferable to culling in that scenario id rather mental health institutions for all these sick people.They need help!

Truthrevolution

More evidence that our modern foods are causing us damage.....

According to a study done by Monsanto themselves, GM crops (which have been given the green light this year) cause liver and kidney damage.Monsanto only released the data after legal challenges from Greenpeace and anti-GM campaigners, so we would never have known about it otherwise....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1244824/fears-grow-study-shows-genetically-modified-crops-cause-liver-kidney-damage.html

mysterious

Torakx wrote: »

I dont believe the earth is over populated to the extent it needs to be reversed.Its just not organised properly,this wont happen until the greedy bankers running this system are put down and power restored to the people of countries not the rich.
Id rather we cull 1% off the richest in the world and restore some peace and wealth to the people.
Preferable to culling in that scenario id rather mental health institutions for all these sick people.They need help!

The world isn't over populated, thats another myth. It is however, to overpopulated for the powers of be to control. Thats the key here.;)

How many multi billionaires are there in this world? Bill Gates alone could end starvation if he wanted too. The Queen of England who's the owner of the British empire and head of the hybrid bloodline illuminati and the bloodlines that rule America own pretty much most of the world with the Vatican, federal reserve, banking and what not.

it's another really really cringing badass story again that we are been fed with. like Global warming etc.


If our planet gaia wants us off our planet she will remove us simple as that. Nature isn't stupid and has looked after this planet long before we came here. If we damage our planet we will be off it no time. Either way despite the damage and devestation we have done in the last 2000 years, Gaia will heal herself as shes currently trying to do So lets get real about this guys. The problem is we are not moving in a positive balanced progressive way with humanity as one race together.. This off balance of where on man controls many will continue to be there while the big corporations, free masons, illuminati are still in allowed to stay position of power over the rest of us


The problem is just a matter of taking our power and self responsibility back to do good in this world for the greater benefit of all. Whos willing to do that?

Thats the question.

ClearlyEnlight

The problem is just a matter of taking our power and self responsibility back to do good in this world for the greater benefit of all. Whos willing to do that?

Thats the question.

The combined powers of the darkness are ruthless, and most people give their power away through watching TV and becoming brain dead with tons of emotional baggage attached on.

Think Deception, why would the powers of the darkness strive for thousands of years to cause powerful deception just to wipe most people off the earth.

No, the combined powers of the darkness want as many slaves, mind controlled host bodies, and DNA specimens as they can deceive.

The propaganda of genocide is to create fear so the ignorant will accept the NWO.

Torakx

Do you mean propoganda of future or past genocides?
Or i guess i mean do you mean the past ones didnt happen or just that they did and its the propoganda that is hurting us afterwards.

ClearlyEnlight

Do you mean propoganda of future or past genocides?
Or i guess i mean do you mean the past ones didnt happen or just that they did and its the propoganda that is hurting us afterwards.

The future, I am not referring to the past.

jma

Whether or not Agenda 21 has anything to do with it, I don't know, but there is a lot of eveidence that there are very toxic substances in our food and water supplies (and has been for a very long time).

Sodium Fluoride, for example, has been added deliberately to our drinking water since 1964, following recommendations by representatives of the U.S. military. You can verify this at irishstatutebook.ie - documents signed off by the then minister for health, Donogh O'Malley.

Sodium Fluoride has been a common ingredient of rat poison for 60 years. It's a waste product of the fertilizer, aluminium and nuclear industries.

Fluoride is a neurotoxin and not only enters the brain, but accumulates there, especially inside the pineal gland at the center of the brain, which among other things is responsible for our biological clock.

If fused with Aluminium, you get an even more toxic aluminium flouride compound, AIF3. AIF3 is easily formed - fluoride, aluminium and heat.

Fluoride also does not vaporise when the water it's contained in is boiled. Instead, it becomes much more concentrated. Tap water (according to regulations) contains between 0.8 - 1 ppm (parts per million) of fluoride. This then becomes more concentrated when the water is boiled. Also note that sodium fluoride is toxic at very low doses, and that there are other sources to consider - e.g. toothpaste. Also note that swallowing even a pea-size amount of toothpaste with a high concentration of fluoride is theoretically enough to kill a child or elderly person with low calcium levels or a bad heart.

There has been lots of research carried out prooving very serious side effects. Here are some facts:

• Neurotoxic and lowers IQ
• May cause cancer
• Changes bone structure and weakens bones
• Can cause birth defects and lead top perinatal deaths
• Impairs immune system
• Causes acute adverse reactions such as gastrointestinal symptoms, stomatitis, joint pains, polydipsia, headaches, visual disturbances, muscular weakness, and extreme tiredness
• Can cause severe skeletal fluorosis at high levels
• Increases lead and arsenic exposure
• Can cause osteoarthritis
• Contributes to the development of repetitive stress injury
• Dental fluorosis: permanent disfigurement of the teeth in many children
• Inhibits key enzymes
• Supresses thyroid functions
• Has caused large numbers of acute poisoning: fluoride is an extremely poisonous substance at very low doses. The amount of sodium fluoride required to result in acute poisining causing fatality is 5 – 10 g.

Yes, there is also evidence that fluoride is beneficial to our teeth and can prevent or reduce caries. But why the hell put it in our drinking water?!

Apart from all the adverse effects on health, it's completely unethical. It's nothing else but mass-medication without professional medical supervision or informed consent.

Noteworthy too is that it's been documented that the Nazis as well as the Soviets used water fluoridation in their concentration camps. If this is true, I'm sure it wasn't out of concern for the dental health of their "prisoners". According to a report from the 1950s, the Soviets openly admitted to "Using the fluoride in the water supplies in their concentration camps, to make the prisoners stupid, docile, and subservient."

I could go on and on here about fluoride, but there are also other things like aspartame (E951), MSG (monosodium glutomate, E621) to look at, for example. Both of these are also neurotoxins and very dangerous. Aspartame is an artificial sweetener found in most diet drinks, and MSG is a flavour enhancer found in most crisps like Tayto and Pringles.

Aspartame was legalised by Donald Rumsfeld when he was CEO for G. D. Searle & Company, the company that manufactured NutraSweet. However, for some reason the FDA never reversed their decision once it became evident that aspartame was not safe. Some say it's because they didn't want to admit they were wrong, but of course that's just speculation.

I could go on about aspartame and MSG too, but there's just way too much information. I would advise any one interested to look this up. There's also a world-famous, very well recognised neurosurgeon called Dr. Russell Blaylock - he has done extensive research on all of this, and information about this is also very easy to find on the net.

Also, if anyone is interested, I've written a 14-page article that summarises all my research, and lists info about experiments carried out in different countries. It is very easy to read and understand. Pages 6 - 14 are news articles on water fluoridation from 2002 to 2010 published in Irish newspapers like Irish Independent, Irish Times, and Irish Examiner. So, if anyone is interested in taking a look, I'd be happy to send it.

meglome

jma wrote: »

Whether or not Agenda 21 has anything to do with it, I don't know, but there is a lot of eveidence that there are very toxic substances in our food and water supplies (and has been for a very long time).

And interestingly less people die young, or die of disease and people are living longer generally.

TalkieWalkie

meglome wrote: »

And interestingly less people die young, or die of disease and people are living longer generally.

Yes it is interesting, but it doesn't change the fact "that there are very toxic substances in our food and water supplies".

meglome

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Yes it is interesting, but it doesn't change the fact "that there are very toxic substances in our food and water supplies".

So perhaps they are not toxic in the form they are used or the amounts are so small as to not make a difference?

TalkieWalkie

meglome wrote: »

So perhaps they are not toxic in the form they are used or the amounts are so small as to not make a difference?

If that were true it wouldn't be an issue. Why is it do you think that Ireland is one of the last Countries in Europe to Fluoridate water supplies ?

meglome

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

If that were true it wouldn't be an issue. Why is it do you think that Ireland is one of the last Countries in Europe to Fluoridate water supplies ?

And we have a high death rate?

jma

meglome wrote: »

And interestingly less people die young, or die of disease and people are living longer generally.

Yes, but there are a few things to keep in mind about this. People may be living longer on average, but that doesn't mean they are living healthier. First of all, the mortality rate amongst new born babies has dropped a lot, bringing the average up. Also things like [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]epidemics, sewerage systems, waste and general hygiene need to be considered.

Another important thing is that these issues with toxins in our food and water supplies would mainly affect the younger generations - up to maybe 50 years. Remember, Water Flouridation only became legislation in 1964 - that's only 46 years ago. And Aspartame, for example, only became approved in 1974 or thereabouts. That's only 36 years ago.

Studies on animals to proove the adverse health effects were carried out over periods of about 20 - 25 years, which is obviously important when researching the long-term effects of these type of substances.
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robtri

jma wrote: »

There has been lots of research carried out prooving very serious side effects. Here are some facts:

• Neurotoxic and lowers IQ
• May cause cancer
• Changes bone structure and weakens bones
• Can cause birth defects and lead top perinatal deaths
• Impairs immune system
• Causes acute adverse reactions such as gastrointestinal symptoms, stomatitis, joint pains, polydipsia, headaches, visual disturbances, muscular weakness, and extreme tiredness
• Can cause severe skeletal fluorosis at high levels
• Increases lead and arsenic exposure
• Can cause osteoarthritis
• Contributes to the development of repetitive stress injury
• Dental fluorosis: permanent disfigurement of the teeth in many children
• Inhibits key enzymes
• Supresses thyroid functions
• Has caused large numbers of acute poisoning: fluoride is an extremely poisonous substance at very low doses. The amount of sodium fluoride required to result in acute poisining causing fatality is 5 – 10 g.

can you let us know what quantities are needed to be ingested daily for these issues to be a concern... I am sure you can link tot he studies on it.

Also acute poisining.... how much of our water would you need to drink to be posioned??????


A lot of things in the wrong dosage have side effects.....

Plain old salt in the wrong dosage is lethal (old japanese warriors used to commit suicide by it iirc)
Apricot seeds contain arsenic
Radiation in the correct dose kills cancers, up the dosage a bit and say by by.....
and the list can go on an on...
a lot of stuff in the right dosage is perfectly safe.....

jma

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

If that were true it wouldn't be an issue. Why is it do you think that Ireland is one of the last Countries in Europe to Fluoridate water supplies ?

A lot of countries have actually recognised that water fluoridation is either toxic or unhealthy or that there just isn't enough evidence to say that it's safe. Or they have stopped, rejected or banned it because of ethical and/or legal reasons. Below is a link with a list of countries that have stopped, rejected or banned fluoridation, along with a copy of a letter written on the subject by an official government or department representative from each country. These letters were written as a response to a letter asking each country listed to confirm their water fluoridation policies.

http://www.fluoridation.com/c-country.htm

(If you click on the country, you'll see the copy of the letter from that country)

jma

robtri wrote: »

can you let us know what quantities are needed to be ingested daily for these issues to be a concern... I am sure you can link tot he studies on it.

Also acute poisining.... how much of our water would you need to drink to be posioned??????

A lot of things in the wrong dosage have side effects.....

Plain old salt in the wrong dosage is lethal (old japanese warriors used to commit suicide by it iirc)
Apricot seeds contain arsenic
Radiation in the correct dose kills cancers, up the dosage a bit and say by by.....
and the list can go on an on...
a lot of stuff in the right dosage is perfectly safe.....

Yes, you're right. Cigarettes are very unhealthy too - the only positive side effect I can think of is that they relieve stress, but we still smoke them. We do a lot of things we shouldn't. But a very important thing to consider here is that we are told how unhealthy cigarettes are, and we're not forced to smoke them. Most of us probably didn't even know that our water is being fluoridated. I didn't know until recently. And we are definitely not told about the possible consequences. With food and drinks, we see stuff like "No Added Sugar", and a lot of foods (especially processed) have labels on them making us think they're actually healthy. "No Added Sugar" of course is correct, but what is it replaced with? Aspartame! Some commercials say that certain chocolate bars are healthy for kids, yet they contain things like soy extracts, which actually give you glutamate levels higher than a lot of what you'll find in MSG products.

I can give you references, yes, but there's too much to list here. Here's an excerpt from my article. If you look it up, it should be easy enough to confirm:

"A study commissioned by the Forsyth Dental Research Institute proved that with long term exposure, fluoride not only enters but accumulates widely in all areas of the brain. Subsequently, they attempted to destroy their own research when it became obvious that the results would damage the fluoridation campaign. However, one of the individual researchers, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, submitted her findings to the Journal of Neurotoxicology and Teratology, where it was immediately accepted for publishing."

A lot of this stuff is also covered in books written by the neurosurgeon mentioned above, Dr. Russell Blaylock. The names are "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills" and "Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life".

Here's another excerpt:

"Especially frightening is that severe brain changes were observed following consumption of water containing only 0.5 ppm of the aluminum fluoride compound. Most communities are adding 1-1.5 ppm fluoride to drinking water. When combined with aluminum an extremely brain toxic compound is formed. This brings into serious question the assurances being given by the ADA and EPA that a fluoride level of 1 ppm in drinking water is safe."

Another study that springs to mind was one carried out by the Harvard School of Dental Medicine - in 2005 I think. You should be able to find reports on that. It deals with fluoride and the increased risk of bone cancer in boys.

And here are some links to newspaper articles:

"Fluoride in our water: are we brushing with danger?"
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fluoride-in-our-water-are-we-brushing-with-danger-381516.html

"Fluoride in tap water 'unsafe for babies'"
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2002/02/27/story23809.asp

"Tap water safe for use in babies' bottles"
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2002/04/12/story26575.asp

"Plea to brush teeth with bottled water"
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2002/05/15/story28583.asp

"Supply below EU standard in most houses"
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0716/1224250760666.html
http://www.cleanwater.ie/index.php/tag/eu-water-standards/

"If fluoride hastens water pipe corrosion, what is it doing to our children’s health?"
http://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/letters/if-fluoride-hastens-water-pipe-corrosion-what-is-it-doing-to-our-childrens-health-110515.html

I don't know exactly how much fluoridated water is needed for it to become toxic, but that's not really the point. The point is that there are lots of cheaper, easier and more ethical ways of supplying fluoride to people who want to use it. Point is that fluoride accumulates in the brain. Point is that we're ingesting fluoridated water every day - in the water we drink, and even worse in the tea and coffee we drink (since it's boiled), and of course the food we cook, also boiled water with higher concentrations of fluoride - we need to think of the long term effects. Point is that it's a fact that we are not meant to ingest fluoride - it's supposed to be for our teeth.

It's like you said yourself - radiation can kill cancer, but what happens when you expose yourself to radiation over a prolonged period of time? And I'm sure you don't consume apricot seeds on a daily basis.

Some one I know has actually developed a number of the symptoms discussed. He has been to numerous doctors and specialists and none of them can figure out what's causing them. Thyroid symptoms, problems with orientation and coordination, fatique, insomnia, etc. etc. I'm not saying that it was definitely the fluoride, but who knows? He did drink a lot of tap water as a child. Fluoride has been proven to affect the thyroid, and also the pineal gland, which is responsible for wake/sleep patterns, coordination, etc. The pineal gland is also known as the "third eye" and has a lot of spiritual stuff associated with it - e.g. they say this is where the soul enters and leaves the body. The Vatican has a big statue of a pine cone, the same shape as the pineal gland - may or may not be relevant, just a bit of extra trivia for anyone that's interested

WakeUp

jma wrote: »

Whether or not Agenda 21 has anything to do with it, I don't know, but there is a lot of eveidence that there are very toxic substances in our food and water supplies (and has been for a very long time).

Sodium Fluoride, for example, has been added deliberately to our drinking water since 1964, following recommendations by representatives of the U.S. military. You can verify this at irishstatutebook.ie - documents signed off by the then minister for health, Donogh O'Malley.

Sodium Fluoride has been a common ingredient of rat poison for 60 years. It's a waste product of the fertilizer, aluminium and nuclear industries.

Fluoride is a neurotoxin and not only enters the brain, but accumulates there, especially inside the pineal gland at the center of the brain, which among other things is responsible for our biological clock.

If fused with Aluminium, you get an even more toxic aluminium flouride compound, AIF3. AIF3 is easily formed - fluoride, aluminium and heat.

Fluoride also does not vaporise when the water it's contained in is boiled. Instead, it becomes much more concentrated. Tap water (according to regulations) contains between 0.8 - 1 ppm (parts per million) of fluoride. This then becomes more concentrated when the water is boiled. Also note that sodium fluoride is toxic at very low doses, and that there are other sources to consider - e.g. toothpaste. Also note that swallowing even a pea-size amount of toothpaste with a high concentration of fluoride is theoretically enough to kill a child or elderly person with low calcium levels or a bad heart.

There has been lots of research carried out prooving very serious side effects. Here are some facts:

• Neurotoxic and lowers IQ
• May cause cancer
• Changes bone structure and weakens bones
• Can cause birth defects and lead top perinatal deaths
• Impairs immune system
• Causes acute adverse reactions such as gastrointestinal symptoms, stomatitis, joint pains, polydipsia, headaches, visual disturbances, muscular weakness, and extreme tiredness
• Can cause severe skeletal fluorosis at high levels
• Increases lead and arsenic exposure
• Can cause osteoarthritis
• Contributes to the development of repetitive stress injury
• Dental fluorosis: permanent disfigurement of the teeth in many children
• Inhibits key enzymes
• Supresses thyroid functions
• Has caused large numbers of acute poisoning: fluoride is an extremely poisonous substance at very low doses. The amount of sodium fluoride required to result in acute poisining causing fatality is 5 – 10 g.

Yes, there is also evidence that fluoride is beneficial to our teeth and can prevent or reduce caries. But why the hell put it in our drinking water?!

Apart from all the adverse effects on health, it's completely unethical. It's nothing else but mass-medication without professional medical supervision or informed consent.

Noteworthy too is that it's been documented that the Nazis as well as the Soviets used water fluoridation in their concentration camps. If this is true, I'm sure it wasn't out of concern for the dental health of their "prisoners". According to a report from the 1950s, the Soviets openly admitted to "Using the fluoride in the water supplies in their concentration camps, to make the prisoners stupid, docile, and subservient."

I could go on and on here about fluoride, but there are also other things like aspartame (E951), MSG (monosodium glutomate, E621) to look at, for example. Both of these are also neurotoxins and very dangerous. Aspartame is an artificial sweetener found in most diet drinks, and MSG is a flavour enhancer found in most crisps like Tayto and Pringles.

Aspartame was legalised by Donald Rumsfeld when he was CEO for G. D. Searle & Company, the company that manufactured NutraSweet. However, for some reason the FDA never reversed their decision once it became evident that aspartame was not safe. Some say it's because they didn't want to admit they were wrong, but of course that's just speculation.

I could go on about aspartame and MSG too, but there's just way too much information. I would advise any one interested to look this up. There's also a world-famous, very well recognised neurosurgeon called Dr. Russell Blaylock - he has done extensive research on all of this, and information about this is also very easy to find on the net.

Also, if anyone is interested, I've written a 14-page article that summarises all my research, and lists info about experiments carried out in different countries. It is very easy to read and understand. Pages 6 - 14 are news articles on water fluoridation from 2002 to 2010 published in Irish newspapers like Irish Independent, Irish Times, and Irish Examiner. So, if anyone is interested in taking a look, I'd be happy to send it.

Seems like you have really looked into this subject. How about posting your report here I would like to see it? Maybe say a page a day or something over the next two weeks...

jma

WakeUp wrote: »

Seems like you have really looked into this subject. How about posting your report here I would like to see it? Maybe say a page a day or something over the next two weeks...

Thanks for your interest. Yes, I've done a fair bit with the time that I had. Ultimately, I'd like to include official links to studies and research. For now though, it's just a lot of facts that are fairly easy to look up and verify from different sources. One of the most reliable sources for a lot of the information was Dr. Blaylock. It's worth while looking him up and reading some of the things he says. But anyway, here is the report. I've uploaded it to MediaFire as a PDF document:

http://www.mediafire.com/?z4p9a2pfzmcd0yi

WakeUp

jma wrote: »

Thanks for your interest. Yes, I've done a fair bit with the time that I had. Ultimately, I'd like to include official links to studies and research. For now though, it's just a lot of facts that are fairly easy to look up and verify from different sources. One of the most reliable sources for a lot of the information was Dr. Blaylock. It's worth while looking him up and reading some of the things he says. But anyway, here is the report. I've uploaded it to MediaFire as a PDF document:

http://www.mediafire.com/?z4p9a2pfzmcd0yi

Fair play for putting this together:) Tis time for my leaba so what I wont get a chance to look at it till tomorrow but will make sure to check it out then along with Dr. Blaylock)

alastair

jma wrote: »

Sodium Fluoride has been a common ingredient of rat poison for 60 years.

Really?

Can you point to one rat poison that lists Sodium Flouride as an ingredient? Or are you just echoing a standard CT talking point without evidence?

jma

alastair wrote: »

Really?

Can you point to one rat poison that lists Sodium Flouride as an ingredient? Or are you just echoing a standard CT talking point without evidence?

Yes! I'm not so familiar with different brands of pesticides, but I didn't say that NaF is being used in rat poisons, I said it "has been a common ingredient for 60 years". If you look it up, you'll actually see that it may now be banned. So, if it's now banned for use in pesticides, why is it allowed for use in human drinking water?! You will see the following on an EPA document (about Sodium Fluoride):

"It is highly toxic to all plant and animal life. The only remaining use permitted is for wood treatement"

If you don't believe me, feel free to read the document yourself:
http://www.epa.gov/oppfead1/safety/healthcare/handbook/Chap08.pdf

I'm just giving you the information that I've come across. As I said, I would love to be able to link to all the hard evidence, but it's very time consuming. So, if you have a spare minute, why not have a look yourself if it interests you? And feel free to share ...

I mean I get your point. I'm the same way. I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything. I have an open mind but I usually need to see facts, so if I see or hear something that catches my interest, I look it up until I find out more. For example, I only recently found out about the fluoridation in Ireland, and I initially found it difficult to even confirm that it was in fact being used, but I kept digging...

alastair

jma wrote: »

Yes! I'm not so familiar with different brands of pesticides, but I didn't say that NaF is being used in rat poisons, I said it "has been a common ingredient for 60 years". If you look it up, you'll actually see that it may now be banned. So, if it's now banned for use in pesticides, why is it allowed for use in human drinking water?! You will see the following on an EPA document (about Sodium Fluoride):

"It is highly toxic to all plant and animal life. The only remaining use permitted is for wood treatement"

If you don't believe me, feel free to read the document yourself:
http://www.epa.gov/oppfead1/safety/healthcare/handbook/Chap08.pdf

I'm just giving you the information that I've come across. As I said, I would love to be able to link to all the hard evidence, but it's very time consuming. So, if you have a spare minute, why not have a look yourself if it interests you? And feel free to share ...

Well, that pdf certainly doesn't claim that Sodium Fluoride was ever used as an ingredient in rat poison. In fact it would suggest that it wasn't. It does state the it was used as an insect repellent, and is still used for that purpose as a wood additive.

Now, while the EPA state that it's the only permitted use is as a wood additive, that's only within the context of Insecticide/repellent usage. Clearly the EPA do permit the use of Sodium Fluoride in water fluoridation, as they provide guidelines for safe percentages in drinking water: http://www.epa.gov/ogwdw000/contaminants/basicinformation/fluoride.html

TalkieWalkie

alastair wrote: »

Really?

Can you point to one rat poison that lists Sodium Flouride as an ingredient? Or are you just echoing a standard CT talking point without evidence?

Seems Wakeup knows what he is talking about doesn't it alastair ? I think an apology is in order


Patents on Fluoride Rat Poison & Insecticides

http://www.fluoride-history.de/p-insecticides.htm

1921

Henry Edward Percy HUTCHINGS, of Barking Essex, UK: "Improvements in or relating to rat and other vermin poisons", British Patent GB 187,424; filed Sept. 15, 1921; pat. Oct. 26, 1922 (a bait for the purpose of rat and mouse extermination, with additions of either sodium fluoride, barium carbonate, squill or oxalic acid, to serve as a basic poison)

alastair

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Seems Wakeup knows what he is talking about doesn't it alastair ? I think an apology is in order


Patents on Fluoride Rat Poison & Insecticides

http://www.fluoride-history.de/p-insecticides.htm

What do you think you're seeing there TW?

TalkieWalkie

alastair wrote: »

What do you think you're seeing there TW?

Imseeing a patent for sodium fluoride used as a rat poison. Why ? what do you see ?

TalkieWalkie

Here's another one for you, it's taking some time to digest..

http://www.ehow.com/about_6544969_fluoride-rat-poison.html

Since the 1800s, fluoride has been a key component in rat poison and insecticides. When mixed into grain or other food, rats will readily consume the poison and die. This method was deemed to be preferable to other poisonous compounds because it was less hazardous to the humans and livestock that might accidentally ingest it. The use of fluoride in rat poison has declined over the years, replaced by blood-thinning compounds that were deemed to be safer and more effective.

Read more: Fluoride in Rat Poison | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6544969_fluoride-rat-poison.html#ixzz0wIxSAuln

alastair

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Imseeing a patent for sodium fluoride used as a rat poison. Why ? what do you see ?

I certainly don't see Sodium Fluoride listed as an ingredient in a rat poison. A patent for a rat poison that can contain a number of ingredients isn't any evidence that the ingredient was ever included in a product. I can patent a rat poison with oregano as an ingredient, but that doesn't mean it'll be A. any better than other formulation, and B. anyone would think it worthwhile to sell such a forumulation.

So - can anyone link to a rat poison that contains Sodium Fluoride?

alastair

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Here's another one for you, it's taking some time to digest..

http://www.ehow.com/about_6544969_fluoride-rat-poison.html

Ehh - to quote the link above - "The term fluoride refers to compounds comprised of fluorine and at least one other element"

So, it could well be sodium fluoroacetate, which is an undisputed ingredient in rat poison.

TalkieWalkie

alastair wrote: »

Ehh - to quote the link above - "The term fluoride refers to compounds comprised of fluorine and at least one other element"

So, it could well be sodium fluoroacetate, which is an undisputed ingredient in rat poison.

What don't you get about this ?

Since the 1800s, fluoride has been a key component in rat poison and insecticides. When mixed into grain or other food, rats will readily consume the poison and die. This method was deemed to be preferable to other poisonous compounds because it was less hazardous to the humans and livestock that might accidentally ingest it. The use of fluoride in rat poison has declined over the years, replaced by blood-thinning compounds that were deemed to be safer and more effective.

Read more: Fluoride in Rat Poison | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6544969_fl...#ixzz0wIxSAuln