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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    We don't need any secrets here.

    pedosmile.png


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Hope you enjoyed getting my thumb too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    This has been going on a bit now....
    A Roman Catholic diocese is liable to pay compensation for alleged beatings inflicted by a nun and sexual abuse perpetrated by a priest on a young girl, the court of appeal has ruled.
    The decision, by a majority of two judges to one, will have far-reaching implications for the responsibilities of all employers, significantly widening the scope of their "vicarious liability" for the actions of employees.
    The claim was brought by a 48-year-old woman known as JGE, who cannot be named for legal reasons. She said that as a child she was beaten by a nun at a convent-run care home and later raped and sexually assaulted by a priest.
    Father Wilfred Baldwin, who has since died, was said to have abused her in the robing room on the day of her first communion. The facts of what took place are disputed: the Portsmouth diocese denies there was any abuse and insists a priest is an office holder not an employee.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jul/12/catholic-church-loses-apeal-liability


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Nodin wrote: »
    This has been going on a bit now....
    A Roman Catholic diocese is liable to pay compensation for alleged beatings inflicted by a nun and sexual abuse perpetrated by a priest on a young girl, the court of appeal has ruled.
    The decision, by a majority of two judges to one, will have far-reaching implications for the responsibilities of all employers, significantly widening the scope of their "vicarious liability" for the actions of employees.
    The claim was brought by a 48-year-old woman known as JGE, who cannot be named for legal reasons. She said that as a child she was beaten by a nun at a convent-run care home and later raped and sexually assaulted by a priest.
    Father Wilfred Baldwin, who has since died, was said to have abused her in the robing room on the day of her first communion. The facts of what took place are disputed: the Portsmouth diocese denies there was any abuse and insists a priest is an office holder not an employee.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jul/12/catholic-church-loses-apeal-liability

    What p1sses ME off is that the monster is always either ancient or dead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Nodin wrote: »

    This is good, I hadn't realised they appealed it. The church has now challenged both of the main requirements for vicarious liability, the employer / employee relationship and acts not related to the job, and failed on both.

    This should make future claims much easier.

    MrP


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    MrPudding wrote: »
    This is good, I hadn't realised they appealed it. The church has now challenged both of the main requirements for vicarious liability, the employer / employee relationship and acts not related to the job, and failed on both.
    Will be interesting to see if this is taken to mean that the chain of liability extends up the ladder into the Vatican.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    robindch wrote: »
    Will be interesting to see if this is taken to mean that the chain of liability extends up the ladder into the Vatican.
    That is where it will get interesting. The church has typically said that he has no control over bishops, in the normal sense of the word. This normally comes out after calls for the vatican to remove a bishop for stuff like helping child rapists. Interestingly, the pope has recently removed a number of bishops for "administrative" reasons. It could get very interesting indeed.

    MrP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    What p1sses ME off is that the monster is always either ancient or dead.
    Yeah, would be great getting a chance to slay a healthy one.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Meanwhile, in Australia, a bunch of priests, including the nation's top churchman -- where have we heard this before -- are alleged to have known about a prominent abuser, but of having done nothing:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-10/another-abuse-victim-comes-forward/4119946


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    robindch wrote: »
    Will be interesting to see if this is taken to mean that the chain of liability extends up the ladder into the Vatican.


    Jaysus no, sure its only a franchise operation with no input from Rome at all, at all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Religious orders have yet to transfer around a fifth of the assets they promised to give the State ten years ago, to assist with the cost of redress and support for victims of physical and sexual abuse in religious-run institutions

    It has also emerged that the total cost of providing redress and support to victims is likely to be higher than the last official estimate of around €1.36bn.
    In 2002 18 religious orders struck a deal with the then minister for education, Fianna Fáil's Michael Woods, to transfer €128m or property and cash.
    In exchange, the orders were guaranteed indemnity from civil prosecution.
    At the time, unofficial estimates of the total future cost were around €500m.
    Correspondence between the Department of Education and Dáil Public Accounts Committee now shows that over ten years on, just 41 of 64 promised properties, worth a total of €41m, have been legally transferred to the State.
    A spokesperson for the department said cash and other contributions worth a further €64m have also been transferred.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0712/religious-orders-yet-to-complete-2002-abuse-deal.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,709 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    GRRRRR this really boils my p**S

    State gives a sweetheart deal, on the last day of a dying government, from a minister with a long and very undistinguished career, who's a member of Opus Dei (allegedly?), to purge their child abuse sins for the meagre sum of 128m

    Church agrees (While laughing up their sleeves)

    Ten years later, not only has the extent of known abuse multiplied far in excess of what was then known (and the real truth could be far in excess again), they continue to stiff the State for the meagre sum they previously agreed.
    William S. Burroughs : Words of Advice for Young People

    If you're doing business with a religious son-of-a-bitch, get it in writing. His word isn't worth ****. Not with the good lord telling him how to **** you on the deal.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭UDP


    Why can't the government scrap the deal considering it has not been honoured on the side of the religious organisations anyway and then go after them for a bigger chunk? i.e. the amount they should have went after them for in the first place.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    UDP wrote: »
    Why can't the government scrap the deal considering it has not been honoured on the side of the religious organisations anyway and then go after them for a bigger chunk? i.e. the amount they should have went after them for in the first place.
    That came close to happening two years back, when, after some serious media heat, the religious orders concerned agreed in principle to stump up half of the final bill.

    However, I don't believe that much has happened since then. And in any case, the religious orders had, for years before that, been asset-stripping like fuck into independent trusts stuffed with compliant trustees, so in most cases, the religious orders themselves are genuinely pretty penniless these days, while the trusts control assets which I (charitably, and conservatively) estimate at significantly upwards of €1.5 billion euro.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    robindch wrote: »
    That came close to happening two years back, when, after some serious media heat, the religious orders concerned agreed in principle to stump up half of the final bill.

    However, I don't believe that much has happened since then. And in any case, the religious orders had, for years before that, been asset-stripping like fuck into independent trusts stuffed with compliant trustees, so in most cases, the religious orders themselves are genuinely pretty penniless these days, while the trusts control assets which I (charitably, and conservatively) estimate at significantly upwards of €1.5 billion euro.

    I would really like to see the government attack these sham trusts, but I won't hold my breath. There still seems to be too much deference being given to the church.

    MrP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    robindch wrote: »
    That came close to happening two years back, when, after some serious media heat, the religious orders concerned agreed in principle to stump up half of the final bill.

    However, I don't believe that much has happened since then. And in any case, the religious orders had, for years before that, been asset-stripping like fuck into independent trusts stuffed with compliant trustees, so in most cases, the religious orders themselves are genuinely pretty penniless these days, while the trusts control assets which I (charitably, and conservatively) estimate at significantly upwards of €1.5 billion euro.

    Indeed.
    By 2009, following publication of the Ryan report into institutional abuse, the estimated cost of redress and support for victims had ballooned to around €1.36bn.
    At that stage, religious orders yielded to pressure and pledged to transfer a further €350m worth of cash and property to the State.
    The current Government, believing the cost should be shared on a 50:50 basis between the State and religious orders, sought a further contribution of several hundred million euro.
    That has not been forthcoming - a matter the Minister for Education has said he is disappointed about.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0712/religious-orders-yet-to-complete-2002-abuse-deal.html

    I'd feel rather better if that read ' the Minister was taking legal advice on the matter'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,915 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    fitz0 wrote: »
    Also, schismatic is a fantastic word. Even saying it is great. Shizz-matic or Skizz-o-matic depending on the pronunciation. Satisfying.

    It's the shizznit?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    robindch wrote: »
    Meanwhile, in Australia, a bunch of priests, including the nation's top churchman -- where have we heard this before -- are alleged to have known about a prominent abuser, but of having done nothing:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-10/another-abuse-victim-comes-forward/4119946

    A young boy loses his father and a priest is sent round to comfort the helpless boy. The priest then sexually abuses him? :eek:

    It just gets worse. The depravity of catholic priests and the callousness of the priests and bishops who help them to carry on abusing innocent children, knows no bounds. Is there any limits to how low they can sink to?

    Oh, but the Vatican is quick to strip a Chinese bishop of his ordination because it wasn't sanctioned by Rome, but abusive bishops are tougher stains to clean. :mad:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    the Vatican is quick to strip a Chinese bishop of his ordination because it wasn't sanctioned by Rome, but abusive bishops are tougher stains to clean.
    The Vatican is concerned only with the canon law view of the Chinese bishop -- which is that he's illegally constituted.

    The Vatican doesn't have now, nor ever had, any canon law to deal with abusing priests nor the bishops who protected them. How could it, since the fact of there being rules to deal with them in the first place would suggest that abuse is present within the church. How can something which claims to be the earthly representative of perfection also publicly admit something that ugly?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    From a couple of weeks back: Alan Shatter confirms that catholic priests are not exempt from the requirement to report suspected child abuse:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0613/1224317819220.html
    SEANAD: DAVID CULLINANE (SF) said he was glad the Minister for Justice had made it clear that there would be absolutely no exemptions in terms of legislative requirements on the reporting of the abuse of children or vulnerable adults.

    Mr Cullinane had earlier noted that the Association of Catholic Priests had stated that there would be no breaking of the confessional seal. It had to be made clear to everyone, including the main church in this State, that the rights of children and the laws of the land came first, Mr Cullinane stressed. Priests should know that they could not use the confessional seal as a reason for not coming forward with information on abuse.

    Minister for Justice Alan Shatter (FG) said it was possible that if a priest or a bishop was prosecuted under withholding of information legislation they might claim entitlement to some form of privilege. However, the legal basis for such a claim no longer held, as the special position of the Catholic church had been removed from the Constitution. If such a claim was based on freedom of religion, the courts might be called on to decide the issue.

    He did not believe that, where a child or a vulnerable adult had been a victim of abuse, the Irish courts would hold that it was of benefit to the State that those who knew of the abuse concealed it.

    Meanwhile, Australia may consider the same:

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/priests-could-be-ordered-to-report-confessions-of-sex-abuse-to-police/story-e6frf7kx-1226428524648
    Herald Sun wrote:
    Hundreds of years of Catholic tradition in the confessional could be overturned by Victoria's inquiry into child sex abuse.

    Priests would be ordered to reveal crimes told to them in private confessions under one proposal before the inquiry.

    But priests say they will resist being forced to reveal secrets of the confessional.

    UPDATE: THE prospect of government forcing priests to report what was said in confession is the sign of a "police state mentality", says a priest and law professor.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Top orthodox godman in USA resigns over allegations that he "mishandled" the case of a priest accused of rape.

    http://bostonherald.com/news/national/midwest/view/20120720bishops_say_church_leader_who_resigned_failed_to_remove_priest_accused_of_rape

    God hasn't had much luck with this branch of christianity in the US, as the previous top orthodox godman was removed over allegations that he'd spent millions of dollars of church funds on himself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    robindch wrote: »
    Top orthodox godman in USA resigns over allegations that he "mishandled" the case of a priest accused of rape.

    http://bostonherald.com/news/national/midwest/view/20120720bishops_say_church_leader_who_resigned_failed_to_remove_priest_accused_of_rape

    God hasn't had much luck with this branch of christianity in the US, as the previous top orthodox godman was removed over allegations that he'd spent millions of dollars of church funds on himself.
    given the all knowing bit, you would think that be would have a better hit rate on those that he "calls."

    MrP


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Meanwhile, back in the Vatican, an EU report on the Vatican Bank suggests it has serious problems when it comes to "combating money laundering, the financing of terrorism and tax evasion."

    http://news.yahoo.com/report-criticizes-vatican-bank-urges-more-reform-192722101.html
    Yahoo wrote:
    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - A European report on Wednesday identified serious failings in the Vatican's bank and gave the Holy See a negative rating in almost half of the most transparency related criteria.

    The milestone report by Moneyval, a department of the Council of Europe, welcomed reforms enacted so far but suggested the Vatican still has a long way to go before it can be included on an international "white list" of countries that abide by global norms on combating money laundering, the financing of terrorism and tax evasion. The Vatican said it saw the 241-page report as a constructive starting point that would allow it to improve its financial controls rather than as a conclusion.

    Moneyval praised the Vatican for making a number of crucial legislative changes in "a very short period of time" compared to countries that had been in the rolling evaluation process for 15 years. "We take both the praise and the criticism contained in the report with seriousness," said Monsignor Ettore Balestrero, who headed the Vatican team that worked with the report's authors.

    The report comes at a time when the Vatican is battling to limit the fallout from a corruption scandal with Pope Benedict's butler suspected of leaking sensitive documents that allege wrongdoing in the Vatican's business dealings with Italian companies. It was particularly pointed in its criticism of the management of the Vatican bank, officially known as the Institute for Works of Religion (IOR), and "strongly recommended" that the IOR be "independently supervised by a prudential supervisor in the near future".

    Lack of independent supervision posed "large risks to the stability" of the Holy See's financial sector, the report said, an apparent suggestion that the bank should be fully independent of a committee of five cardinals who currently oversee it. It said "fit and proper criteria" should be applied to senior management at the IOR. The IOR, whose tellers work under the gaze of crucifixes, is being investigated by Italian magistrates looking into money laundering. The bank is housed in the 15th-century Tower of Nicholas V, which Pope Benedict can see from his apartment windows.

    The report did say that the Vatican had put into place many of the "building blocks" to combat money laundering and said the IOR officials showed "clear commitment" to implementing anti-money laundering procedures and sometimes went "beyond the requirements" of the law.

    In 2010, Rome magistrates froze 23 million euros ($33 million) that the IOR held in an Italian bank. The Vatican said at the time that its bank had done nothing wrong and was merely transferring its own funds between its own accounts in Italy and Germany. The money was released in June 2011, but the investigation is continuing. In a dramatic twist, the IOR's former president, Italian Gotti Tedeschi was ousted in a boardroom battle on May 24. He said he was fired because he wanted the bank to be more transparent, but the Vatican said he was an obstacle to transparency.

    He was ousted a day after the arrest of the pope's butler, Paolo Gabriele, who has been held in relation to the leaking scandal in a small "safe room", in the Vatican's police station, where he prays daily. He was denied house arrest last week. The Vatican has been trying to shed its image as a suspect financial centre since 1982, when Roberto Calvi, an Italian known as "God's Banker" because of his links to the Vatican, was found hanging from London's Blackfriars Bridge.

    Although Vatican officials say they are determined to improve financial transparency in order to qualify for inclusion on the global white list, Wednesday's report showed they have their work cut out. It awarded the Vatican negative grades of "partially compliant" or "non compliant" on seven of the 16 so-called core and key recommendations, while handing out grades of "compliant" or "largely compliant" on the other nine.

    The seven negative grades included insufficient customer due diligence, insufficient compliance on reporting of suspicious transactions, and insufficient supervision and monitoring. "There are seven areas where the Holy See must and will focus on," Balestrero said.

    Jeffrey Lena, a lawyer for the Vatican, noted that only 10 of the some 30 countries Moneyval evaluates received better ratings on Core and Key recommendations. "It suggests that even with work already in course to further improve the system, the Holy See's initiatives and efforts hold up extremely well when compared to other countries," he said.

    Moneyval, "The Committee of Experts on the Evaluation of Anti-Money Laundering Measures and the Financing of Terrorism", is a monitoring mechanism of the 47-nation Council of Europe that tries to ensure that member states comply with international financial standards. Moneyval does not maintain its own "white list", but supplies information which could eventually be used by other organizations, such as the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), to determine whether the Vatican belongs on a "black" or "grey" list of countries that fail to measure up.

    Any such decision is at least a year away, and would depend on a follow-up evaluation of how well the Vatican implements recommendations in Wednesday's report. Balestrero said the Vatican would try to implement all the recommendations contained in the seven negative scores before the progress report.

    The Moneyval evaluation, which the Vatican requested several years ago, grades a country against 49 recommendations, of which 16 are deemed "core and key". It is not uncommon for countries to receive partially compliant or non-compliant marks on their first and even subsequent evaluations, accompanied by suggestions on how to improve. Vatican sources compared the performance to Italy, which they said had five non-compliant or partially compliant marks on "core and key" recommendations in a 2005 evaluation, years after it began its evaluation process by FATF.

    In 2010, the Vatican drafted new financial transparency laws and set up internal regulations to make sure its bank and all other departments that administer the Catholic Church around the world adhered to international standards on money laundering and terrorism financing. As part of the new legislation, the Vatican established an internal Financial Information Authority (FIA) along the lines of other countries and promised to liaise with the FATF and law enforcement agencies.

    But the Moneyval report said there was "lack of clarity about the role, responsibility, authority, powers and independence of the FIA as a supervisor".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    "ignoramus"....theres a word....
    THE owner of a school who would not enrol a teenage girl because she was pregnant has refused to apologise, disputed her version of events -- and said he would do the same again.

    Padraig O'Shea, the former principal of St Joseph's College in Borrisoleigh,
    Tipperary, has spoken publicly for the first time since the Children's
    Ombudsman ruled that the school had discriminated against the 16-year-old.
    He insisted there "must be standards of morality in every school and that is the wish of 99pc of parents".
    Ombudsman Emily Logan reported that the teenager applied to St Joseph's when
    she was pregnant, and again after giving birth, but was refused entry both
    times in 2009 and 2010.
    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/education/latest-news/id-do-it-again-says-principal-who-barred-pregnant-girl-from-school-3175691.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Infighting...nothin as dirty....
    More than 170 victims of alleged physical and sexual abuse who attended a Yorkshire children's home are awaiting the outcome of a dispute
    between Catholic organisations about who is responsible for paying compensation, the supreme court has heard.

    The Roman Catholic diocese of Middlesbrough is seeking to overturn a ruling that it alone must meet claims brought by those who say they were assaulted at St William's children's care home and school in Market Weighton, east Yorkshire.

    The allegations date back as far as 1958. The former headmaster James
    Carragher has twice been convicted of a series of indecent assaults, buggery and taking photographs of young boys.

    In 2004 he was sentenced to 14 years in prison, having already served a
    seven-year sentence imposed in 1993. He has since been expelled by the De La Salle order of Christian Brothers, whose members taught at the institution.

    The diocese maintains it should be held only partly responsible for the
    compensation. The main burden of "vicarious liability" for wrongdoing, it says, should fall on the De La Salle Brothers, since they were in day-to-day charge of operating St William's.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/23/catholic-diocese-abuse-claims-middlesbrough


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭UDP


    US catholic priest jailed over child abuse cover up
    The first catholic priest in the United States to be found guilty of covering up claims of child sex abuse has been sentenced to up to six years in prison.
    Judge M Teresa Sarmina told Monsignor William Lynn Lynn, 61, that he protected "monsters in clerical garb who molested children."
    The former secretary of the clergy for the Philadelphia Archdiocese was found not guilty of another charge of child endangerment and conspiracy.
    Lynn, who oversaw the work of 800 priests, was convicted of covering up sex-abuse allegations, often by transferring abusive priests to unsuspecting parishes.
    His case, which was closely watched by the Vatican, followed a series of child abuse scandals that hit the Catholic church in the US, as well as in Ireland and Europe.
    Lynn worked for the late Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua, the longtime archbishop of Philadelphia who died in January.
    The Archdiocese of Philadelphia is the US' sixth largest with 1.5 million members.
    Problems with abusive priests in the Philadelphia diocese had been flagged in a 2003 grand jury report that found church leaders failed to report abuse to the authorities.
    Among Lynn's job responsibilities was investigating sex abuse claims from 1992 to 2004. "I tried to serve God. I tried to help people," Lynn told the judge before the sentence was handed down.
    Turning to the family of a former altar boy who testified that he had been assaulted by a priest assigned to a church by Lynn, the monsignor said: "I hope someday they will accept my apology."
    Lynn, wearing his clerical collar, showed little emotion as he was sentenced but his defence attorney, Thomas Bergstrom, later called the sentence "grossly imbalanced".
    "All of a sudden (Lynn) is being held responsible for all of the abuse that occurred over 30 to 40 years, none of which he participated in," Mr Bergstrom said.
    The defence argued that Lynn tried to handle cases of paedophile priests, making a list in 1994 of 35 accused predators and writing memos to suggest treatment and suspensions.
    "He is being punished for things he did and did properly," Mr Bergstrom said. He said Lynn would appeal and he was seeking bail.
    Lynn had faced the possibility of a slightly longer maximum sentence of up to seven years behind bars for his conviction on a single count of child endangerment.
    The Archdiocese of Philadelphia issued a statement saying "fair-minded people will question the severity" of what it called a "heavy" sentence.
    "We hope that when this punishment is objectively reviewed, it will be adjusted," it said.
    Noting the "public humiliation" the church has undergone, it said the church has changed since the events at the centre of the trial. "We have taken dramatic steps to ensure that all young people in our care are safe," it said.
    Ahead of the sentencing, eight witnesses testified in defence of Lynn's character. One of them, Rev Joe Watson, said: "He taught me a lot about how to be a good man. He was always a role model."
    District Attorney Seth Williams praised the sentence.
    "I think you may have heard that he did a lot of good work as a parish priest, and I don't refute that," he said.
    "The issue for us is what he did as secretary of the clergy, and the scores, the hundreds of thousands of children who were placed in harm's way as a result of a culture, a bureaucracy, that protected paedophile priests instead of protecting children."
    Key to Lynn's conviction on 22 June, according to the jury foreman, was the monsignor's own testimony that he had followed the cardinal's orders to attribute priests' moves to health reasons but never to sex abuse accusations.
    At his trial, Lynn testified that after a priest named Edward Avery was accused of sexually abusing a boy, Lynn reassigned him to St Jerome's Church, which also housed an elementary school.
    There, according to a grand jury report describing an epidemic of abuse in Philadelphia, Avery molested the altar boy, then 10, who testified at the trial.

    Avery, who is defrocked, was scheduled to go on trial with Lynn but pleaded guilty and is now in jail.
    Lynn's defence attorney said his client could not have known what would happen to the altar boy at St Jerome's. "Every single priest that he investigated never ever abused again, except Avery, and we've dealt with that," Mr Bergstrom said.
    Lynn's sentence was for a minimum of three years in prison, after which a state parole board will decide whether he must serve more time, depending on his behaviour and other factors.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0725/us-clergyman-charged-over-child-abuse-cover-up.html


    The bolded paragraphs above really stuck out.
    Its like moving a tiger from the tiger cage to the deer pen because a the tiger attacked a deer. Makes you wish there was a hell.
    WTF.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    The Irish Times - Thursday, July 26, 2012

    The church in the dock


    THE THREE-TO-SIX-YEAR jail term imposed in Philadelphia on Monsignor William Lynn for covering up child abuse marks an important first and a watershed moment for the Catholic Church, not only in the US but internationally. A court’s willingness for the first time to punish not only priestly abusers, but those who sheltered them, will reverberate through the church, and not least in Ireland where gardaí are still involved in investigating possible charges arising from the Murphy and Ryan reports. The sentence also comes only days after another landmark ruling in the UK courts which has extended church liability for the actions of priests and which is likely also to have important implications for other voluntary organisations.

    The prosecution of Lynn, found guilty in June of child endangerment after a trial which exposed efforts over decades by his Philadelphia archdiocese to play down accusations of child sexual abuse and avoid scandal, echoes that of Bishop Pierre Pican of Bayeux-Lisieux in 2010. He received only a suspended three-month term, but, notoriously, was privately praised by the Vatican, for not handing over an abuser-priest to the police.

    Lynn, who served as secretary for 800 clergy to the 1.5 million-strong archdiocese from 1992 to 2004, recommending priest assignments and investigating abuse complaints, will appeal. The archdiocese responded to what it complained was an “over-harsh” sentence with assurances that its procedures for protecting children had improved significantly in the decade since the offences occurred.

    Meanwhile the court of appeal in London a fortnight ago upheld a lower court’s ruling that the church can be held liable for the actions of priests. The Portsmouth diocese had appealed a decision that found a priest had a relationship akin to an employee relationship to his bishop, and that the diocese was therefore “vicariously liable” for his actions. In his conclusions, Lord Justice Ward ruled that the priest in question, the late Father Wilfred Baldwin who allegedly abused a girl in a Hampshire children’s home, “may not quite match every facet of being an employee but in my judgment he is very close to it indeed.” He acknowledged the judgment significantly “widened the scope of vicarious liability”.

    Similar issues are raised in an ongoing case currently before the supreme court in London – a dispute between the Middlesbrough diocese and the De La Salle order of Christian Brothers over to what extent each is liable for compensation to 170 victims of admitted sexual abuse in St William’s boys home in Yorkshire between 1960 and 1992. The brothers were in day-to-day charge of the home. A decision is expected in October.

    All three cases raise uncomfortable issues for the church in addressing how, quite properly, it, and its priests/employees, will be held to account legally .These and other cases all involve uphill battles in which the church has used all legal means at its disposal (including internationally the dubious notion of “sovereign immunity”) to fend off accountability. That is its right, but, particularly to victims, appears a strange form of contrition.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2012/0726/1224320825806.html

    I hope things will progress from here, with more of the higher ups jailed for their part in the cover up of institutional abuse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    The Archdiocese of Philadelphia will try to unload its massive vacation home on the Ventnor, N.J., beachfront, assessed at $6.2 million.
    The archdiocese's urgent need to address its $17 million deficit and mounting legal bills, including $11 million from the latest grand jury investigation into clergy sex-abuse and criminal prosecution of Msgr. William J. Lynn.

    More here.

    "Poor" bastards having to sell their mansion to pay off the plebs.
    Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Anyone like to chip in to help?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Anyone like to chip in to help?
    I'm willing to auction the atom-sized violin I'm currently playing.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,219 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    robindch wrote: »
    I'm willing to auction the atom-sized violin I'm currently playing.

    I'd love to help but Cork Penny Dinners need it more.


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