Rooney v Messi

saltie

Ush1 wrote: »

Not really, never been in question for me. Messi is off the scale talent wise.

agreed - he`s miles ahead of anyone else. His balance, poise, burst of pace and power are unstoppable. That and his trusty left peg. Messi by a mile for me.

Vanbis

Frisbee wrote: »

I'd much rather Messi than Rooney. I'd agree with CHD that he's miles ahead.

Messi is in a world of his own and is a phenomenal talent, amazing to watch. As good as Rooney is, there is just no comparison between the two. Messi will go as one the greatest ever along with the likes of Pele and Maradonna.

L'prof

Dave! wrote: »

Miles ahead? lol

Get a grip mate, your bitterness cos of your own team's recent form is blinding you

Both are amazing but, Messi is definitely better. For me Messi influences games more often than Rooney. His first 3 (full) seasons at Barcelona weren't as prolific but that was mainly through injury. Some people are arguing that Messi has better personnel around him and maybe he does (were these same people arguing that case when United knocked Barca out of the champions league?) but, the amount of goals he creates completely on his own is amazing!

Rooney is 20 months older than Messi too so, for me, I'd pick Messi over Rooney all day long!

Last two seasons:
Player|Apps|Goals|GPG|Assists|APG
Messi|89|72|0.81|29|0.33
Rooney|88|53|0.60|17|0.19

Previous 3:
Player|Apps|Goals|GPG|Assists|APG
Messi|101|41|0.41|20|0.20
Rooney|146|60|0.41|42|0.29

GavRedKing

Rooney and Utd have benefited from playing Rooney through the middle and as more of an out and out striker but that still doesnt bring him near the level of Messi who is just on another planet.

Its a rela joy to watch him play, he rarely moans or complains when he has players hanging off him or tryig kick him, his attitude towards the game is second to none considering to amount of attention he gets from opposition players.

Johner

Messi is miles ahead, Rooney is in the top 3 best players in the world at the moment but as someone said Messi is just on a different level.

partyguinness

Ok this is another debate but just a side issue...Messi is a better player than Maradona was at his age.

Remember Maradona's peak was from 1986 to 1990 when he was 26-30 yrs old.

Messi is only just turning 23....:eek:

p.s. Nobody would compare Rooney to Maradona so that prob sums it up for me..

Soby

Just seen messi's hat trick there..unreal..Dont think he will ever leave barca never mind to come to the prem..Prob have his leg broken by this stage if he played here

Tusky

I think Messi is considerabley better than Rooney. I would class him in the bracket above Rooney.

Mr. Incognito

Hmm.

Looking ar Messi's goal per game is pretty unreal, but I have to ask would the standard of defending be better in the premiership?

Warper

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Hmm.

Looking ar Messi's goal per game is pretty unreal, but I have to ask would the standard of defending be better in the premiership?

NO

PL Goals scored

Man Utd - 72
Chelsea - 70
Arsenal - 73

City, Spurs and Liverpool have all scored 50 goals +

La Liga Goals scored
Barca - 68
Real - 74

Granted there has been 2 less La Liga games so far but no other team has scored over 50 goals in Spain

Soby

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Hmm.

Looking ar Messi's goal per game is pretty unreal, but I have to ask would the standard of defending be better in the premiership?

Well it does have Paul Mcshane

L'prof

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Hmm.

Looking ar Messi's goal per game is pretty unreal, but I have to ask would the standard of defending be better in the premiership?

I'm not so sure but if you just compare them in the champions league (where they both play) the last two seasons:

Player|Apps|Goals|GPG|Assists|APG
Messi|20|13|0.65|6|0.3
Rooney|18|8|0.44|4|0.22

me-skywalker

I would take Messi over Rooney. I think Messi would be able to service another striker better with more assists just with his all around play and ability to link up with the midfield and forwards. He is single handedly keeping Barca in the title race.


But in sayin that I do think that there is alot to be said about the standard of defending in Spanish football is alot weaker than the standard in the premiership.

Would Messi find the time and space to weave his magic in the Prem? Another debateable point. Chelsea and United have both managed to keep him quiet in recent years altho the Champions League Final last year the header was fantastic.


Also in the OP one of the statements was in relation to Messi states him as a midfield player. Messi is regarded more a wing forward than a midfielder. Or a support forward rather than an attacking midfielder.

Ush1

Pretty hillarious posing the question how Messi would cope with the English league. In case you hasn't noticed, he plays for the reigning Champions of Europe, he scored a goal in the final against the best team in England. IMHO, he's playing in the best league.

Memnoch

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Hmm.

Looking ar Messi's goal per game is pretty unreal, but I have to ask would the standard of defending be better in the premiership?

The standard of kicking good players to stop them from playing football is much higher in the premiereship, and the refereeing philosophy assists this no end.

me-skywalker

Memnoch wrote: »

The standard of kicking good players to stop them from playing football is much higher in the premiereship, and the refereeing philosophy assists this no end.

Same thing happens in La Liga. Same kicking of players same bad referring decisions. Same debates same results... no action or aid from Fifa.

Mr. Incognito

Googled highlights from the hat-trick game.

Ended all debate for me-

Messi is streets ahead.

Watch for the assist for the last goal alone. If he hadn't been hauled down would have been the goal of the season. As it stands his second goal is pretty close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0gQuOo-Mws

dyl10

me-skywalker wrote: »

Same thing happens in La Liga. Same kicking of players same bad referring decisions. Same debates same results... no action or aid from Fifa.

I don't think he'd be as effective in England as Spain and I definitely don't think Rooney would perform to his standard in Spain.

The Premiership is more physically intense than La Liga, it's natural that a physically stronger player would perform relatively better.

Bodhisopha

dyl10 wrote: »

I don't think he'd be as effective in England as Spain and I definitely don't think Rooney would perform to his standard in Spain.

The Premiership is more physically intense than La Liga, it's natural that a physically stronger player would perform relatively better.

Nonsense. While not the tallest, Messi is very strong. His ability to stay on his feet from challenges that put most men on their arse is part of what makes him such an amazing player.

me-skywalker

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Nonsense. While not the tallest, Messi is very strong. His ability to stay on his feet from challenges that put most men on their arse is part of what makes him such an amazing player.

resilience, guts, determination and attitude to play are what make the great players great even when challenged. Ronaldo's petulance when tackled and challenged makes him so annoying.

dyl10

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Nonsense. While not the tallest, Messi is very strong. His ability to stay on his feet from challenges that put most men on their arse is part of what makes him such an amazing player.

No, that's nonsense. It's pure ignorance to believe that over 2 stone difference betweem professional atheletes doesn't make a significant difference:rolleyes:

Bodhisopha

dyl10 wrote: »

No, that's nonsense. It's pure ignorance to believe that over 2 stone difference betweem professional atheletes doesn't make a significant difference:rolleyes:

So you'd rather have Abdoulaye Faye in your midfield than Michael Essien?

dyl10

Bodhisopha wrote: »

So you'd rather have Abdoulaye Faye in your midfield than Michael Essien?

No, that's possibly the stupidest response I've ever seen.

If I was to choose between having Wayne Rooney in his current state or have him 2 stone lighter, I'd take him as he is.

Bodhisopha

dyl10 wrote: »

No, that's possibly the stupidest response I've ever seen.

If I was to choose between having Wayne Rooney in his current state or have him 2 stone lighter, I'd take him as he is.

That's nice.

So please tell me, what point are trying to make regarding weight as it pertains to Messi?

evil_seed

i was always on the rooney is over rated bus, until this year. i can see how his game has evolved. he's a very good player but there is no comparison to messi. messi in like neo in the matrix

Mr. Presentable

me-skywalker wrote: »

IBut in sayin that I do think that there is alot to be said about the standard of defending in Spanish football is alot weaker than the standard in the premiership.

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Just comparing the top four in England, Spain and Italy, you will find per game they are all about the same.

The only things the EPL is supreme in are athleticism and product promotion.

Pighead

As much as I love Rooney and think that he's one of the best players in world football (I still laugh when I think of Mr Alans description of him as "Dirk Kuyt with a slightly better touch) I'd have to agree with the majority that Messi is ahead of him at this moment in time. He's just a special, special, talent and I would love to see him win the World Cup with Argentina this year.

x in the city

messi also has a very low centre of gravity, which no one has mentioned

why is why the feker cant be knocked off the ball and seems never to fall over.

rooney doesnt..

maradona was also like this, a perfect example was his goal vs belgium> mexico 86, he was stumbling for miles it seemed when he stuck it into the corner but never did fall.

just pure class

heavyballs

dyl10 wrote: »

No, that's nonsense. It's pure ignorance to believe that over 2 stone difference betweem professional atheletes doesn't make a significant difference:rolleyes:

you're correct:rolleyes:
2 stone extra does make a difference,less chance(if any)of catchin the little fecker

me-skywalker

nipplenuts wrote: »

Just comparing the top four in England, Spain and Italy, you will find per game they are all about the same.

The only things the EPL is supreme in are athleticism and product promotion.

Messi doesnt just play against the other top 3 teams in La Liga, he plays against the whole other 19 teams so you cant really judge the defense of the top 4 when he is putting goals in against them ALL.

digme

Actually having a thread on this is ridiculous.

Bodhisopha

digme wrote: »

Actually having a thread on this is ridiculous.

Agreed, there's no comparison.

me-skywalker

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Agreed, there's no comparison.

your right. Messi is better

Bodhisopha

me-skywalker wrote: »

your right. Messi is better

Exactly!

kryogen

digme wrote: »

Actually having a thread on this is ridiculous.

[ ] agree
[x] strongly agree

dyl10

Bodhisopha wrote: »

That's nice.

So please tell me, what point are trying to make regarding weight as it pertains to Messi?

That weight and strength are important factors when competeting in a more physically intense competition.

CHD

dyl10 wrote: »

That weight and strength are important factors when competeting in a more physically intense competition.

But it would't matter with Messi, he is just too good. He's been kicked around in the Bridge a couple of times and came out on top.

Vanbis

Pighead wrote: »

l (I still laugh when I think of Mr Alans description of him as "Dirk Kuyt with a slightly better touch) I'd have to agree

OMFG, thats the most stupidest comparison i have read to date on boards.

andyman

Neither for me. Iniesta's the best player on the planet at the moment in my opinion.

Warper

andyman wrote: »

Neither for me. Iniesta's the best player on the planet at the moment in my opinion.

I take it this is a level

Vanbis

digme wrote: »

Actually having a thread on this is ridiculous.

Agree

Ush1

So there we have it, possibly the best player of all time, 2 CL's etc.. and even if he does win a world cup this summer, he still wouldn't be good enough for the Premier League.:rolleyes:

event

dont know if its been mentioned, but messi has a better goals to shots ratio in the league+champions league than rooney.

Le King

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Agreed, there's no comparison.

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Exactly!

Great posts. :rolleyes:


Nice to see this thread is still going.

Bodhisopha

Osu wrote: »

Great posts. :rolleyes:


Nice to see this thread is still going.

+1

CHD

Osu wrote: »

Great posts. :rolleyes:


Nice to see this thread is still going.

Quality post there from yourself tbh. Genius some might say.

Thread is still going because some people think Rooney is as good. Funny stuff eh?

Le King

CHD wrote: »

Quality post there from yourself tbh. Genius some might say.

Thread is still going because some people think Rooney is as good. Funny stuff eh?

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Nice to see your still online...

CHD

Osu wrote: »

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Nice to see your still online...

Are you saying Rooney is on a par with Messi?

artanevilla

Lionel Messi is not just one of the greatest players in the world at the moment, he is one of the greatest of all time.

v3ttel

Rooney is exceptional (judging by my username, you can assume I have a fair degree of bias ), but Messi is from another planet. Definitely the top two players right now, with Ronaldo in third.

Its a bit of a strange comparison overall given their roles, but I guess its a testament to how well Rooney has done this year that hes being mentioned alongside the likes of Messi.