Beckham out of world cup

monkey9

Helix wrote: »

jesus i dunno about that. theyre sorely lacking in any form players aside from milner and rooney

I just think, if they hit it right, they are capable of winning it. They have the players!

For me, Spain are the best team in the world, but for some reason, i just think they are gonna bottle it!!

Helix

i think if they get to the semis they have as good a chance as anyone, but it all depends how soon they click

i could just as easily see them going out in the first knockout if they come up against a half decent organised team

leninbenjamin

kryogen wrote: »

there is nothing stopping him going anyway to support the team and be on hand to offer advice and the like

He'd probably be on crutches, it'd be as like to have a demoralising effect in his current state.

kryogen wrote: »

edit- what a waste of my 5,000th post

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Helix wrote: »

jesus i dunno about that. theyre sorely lacking in any form players aside from milner and rooney

To be fair, form means nothing going into a World Cup. It helps, but the in form players have been playing harder than others throughout the season. It wouldn't surprise me if Rooney burns out after the group games.

England's biggest problem is that the individual's are bigger than the team. They don't gel, yet the pressure on the manager to play the ego's is immense from a financial perspective, media perspective and morale (only one of Gerrard or Lampard should ever be on the pitch for England, but it'd probably polarise the squad if you didn't play both).

copacetic

feel pretty sorry for the guy, kept himself in really good shape for his age and moved around a lot to get game time so he still had a chance of a last world cup. As much as he was in the celebrity spotlight he seemed to be a model pro as far as lifestyle went.

Ush1

leninbenjamin wrote: »

He'd probably be on crutches, it'd be as like to have a demoralising effect in his current state.



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To be fair, form means nothing going into a World Cup. It helps, but the in form players have been playing harder than others throughout the season. It wouldn't surprise me if Rooney burns out after the group games.

England's biggest problem is that the individual's are bigger than the team. They don't gel, yet the pressure on the manager to play the ego's is immense from a financial perspective, media perspective and morale (only one of Gerrard or Lampard should ever be on the pitch for England, but it'd probably polarise the squad if you didn't play both).

Yep, be a huge worry if I was an England fan that Rooney will be burnt out by the world cup as the effort he's displayed has been fantastic this year.

kryogen

i have Brazil as my favorites for the WC, Dunga has them looking very solid at the back shock horror! and its Brazil so they will score goals!

Spain, i dunno, they have the players alright, just dont get the sense they will do it

Helix

Ush1 wrote: »

Yep, be a huge worry if I was an England fan that Rooney will be burnt out by the world cup as the effort he's displayed has been fantastic this year.

sure hes due his usual world cup year injury shortly anyway

Bodhisopha

Argentina will shock the world.

Maradona as manager, Messi as top scorer and player of the tournament. It was written.

argosy2006

IF he doesn't make world cup then he must retire now? why go on,

monkey9

I have to say this and it's at my peril because there seems to be a love in with regards to Beckham

I'm sure he's gutted to miss the World Cup. But for me, Beckham is more about the commercial side than the sporting side. His last few international apprearances have been a bit conceited. He's more interested in Brand Beckham than Beckham the player,

He is the perfect example of an average player who has cashed in on
the extreme. Play for a huge club, marry a spice girl and hang out with Tom Cruise!

Beckham is media, not football

SlickRic

monkey9 wrote: »

He is the perfect example of an average player who has cashed in on
the extreme.

Beckham is media, not football

never in your wildest dreams is he 'average'.

yes, a media whore.

but a truly excellent player.

Ush1

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Argentina will shock the world.

Maradona as manager, Messi as top scorer and player of the tournament. It was written.

Would be a nice story but somehow can't see it. Although the win against Germany was encouraging.

OPENROAD

monkey9 wrote: »

I have to say this and it's at my peril because there seems to be a love in with regards to Beckham

I'm sure he's gutted to miss the World Cup. But for me, Beckham is more about the commercial side than the sporting side. His last few international apprearances have been a bit conceited. He's more interested in Brand Beckham than Beckham the player,

He is the perfect example of an average player who has cashed in on
the extreme. Play for a huge club, marry a spice girl and hang out with Tom Cruise!

Beckham is media, not football

You are watching rte too much imo

Mezcita

35 in May. Not excellent anymore.

SlickRic

Mezcita wrote: »

35 in May. Not excellent anymore.

by that reckoning Giggs is no good anymore either then.

and Maldini was shít 5 years before retirement.

kryogen

SlickRic wrote: »

never in your wildest dreams is he 'average'.

yes, a media whore.

but a truly excellent player.

i have never called him a truly excellent player and im a united fan?

have you also caught teh ghey?

i hate to say it but the rte panel werent far off in fairness, he was quite limited in terms of abiliity but he honed a couple of niche skills into the best that i have ever seen

best dead ball specialist i have ever seen, and he could put the ball on the end of my dick from about 80 yards, but other then that he wasnt excellent

good player, excellent pro

Ush1

kryogen wrote: »

i have never called him a truly excellent player and im a united fan?

have you also caught teh ghey?

i hate to say it but the rte panel werent far off in fairness, he was quite limited in terms of abiliity but he honed a couple of niche skills into the best that i have ever seen

best dead ball specialist i have ever seen, and he could put the ball on the end of my dick from about 80 yards, but other then that he wasnt excellent

good player, excellent pro

Never watched Juninho then no?

flahavaj

kryogen wrote: »

i have never called him a truly excellent player and im a united fan?

have you also caught teh ghey?

i hate to say it but the rte panel werent far off in fairness, he was quite limited in terms of abiliity but he honed a couple of niche skills into the best that i have ever seen

best dead ball specialist i have ever seen, and he could put the ball on the end of my dick from about 80 yards, but other then that he wasnt excellent

good player, excellent pro

Lies. Nobody could hit a target that small from 80 yards.

monkey9

SlickRic wrote: »

never in your wildest dreams is he 'average'.

yes, a media whore.

but a truly excellent player.

His halfway goal against Wimbledon.

His goal against Greece.

Explain to me besides that how he is anymore than average

CHD

J.Cole will be delighted anyway

kryogen

Ush1 wrote: »

Never watched Juninho then no?

i have yeah

Mezcita

SlickRic wrote: »

by that reckoning Giggs is no good anymore either then.

and Maldini was shít 5 years before retirement.

Never said he was sh.it. But he hasen't been a guaranteed starter for England for a while now. If he was still top of his game he would have been starting all the time for Milan and England.

monkey9

SlickRic wrote: »

by that reckoning Giggs is no good anymore either then.

and Maldini was shít 5 years before retirement.

I can't even quantify the player that Giggs is more than Beckham is. It says more about the English media

SlickRic

monkey9 wrote: »

His halfway goal against Wimbledon.

His goal against Greece.

Explain to me besides that how he is anymore than average

the whole performance against Greece.

the dozens of free-kicks.

the many other goals.

the countless goals he put on a plate for Cole, Yorke and RVN.

did he not turn Real's season round when Capello finally played him every week in that title winning year?

i don't see how he could be described as average, honestly.

i can only put it down to people begrudging his media whoring and letting that cloud their judgment of his playing career.

leninbenjamin

I can see why people would think he was an average player. He always had a fairly simple game plan, look to receive the ball in space, look to play the ball to the player in space further up the pitch. Very little running, very little off the ball work, very little link up play. But he can turn a game with a single pass like very few players can.

Mr.Nice Guy

SlickRic wrote: »

the whole performance against Greece.

the dozens of free-kicks.

the many other goals.

the countless goals he put on a plate for Cole, Yorke and RVN.

did he not turn Real's season round when Capello finally played him every week in that title winning year?

i don't see how he could be described as average, honestly.

i can only put it down to people begrudging his media whoring and letting that cloud their judgment of his playing career.

Not to mention of the 7 international matches he featured in for England in 2009, he provided assists in 3 of those games. An impressive feat considering he came on as a substitute in all but 1 of those games.

This is why people rated him for a place as a squad member. He can come on and make a huge difference.

OPENROAD

leninbenjamin wrote: »

I can see why people would think he was an average player. He always had a fairly simple game plan, look to receive the ball in space, look to play the ball to the player in space further up the pitch. Very little running, very little off the ball work, very little link up play. But he can turn a game with a single pass like very few players can.

Even allowing for that, how can people say he is average, your last sentance says it all.

leninbenjamin

OPENROAD wrote: »

Even allowing for that, how can people say he is average, your last sentance says it all.

Indeed.

I will add though, Gary Neville made him look a lot better than he was imo. The two had a fantastic partnership in many respects. Neville would win the ball, Neville would advance the ball into the opposition half, try and draw a few defenders and play the ball into space for Beckham, who would be waiting off the shoulder of the fullback, Beckham takes a touch, whips in a cross, while Neville springs back to prepare for any counter.

OPENROAD

The ability to cross/pass/shoot like Beckham can is a huge skill imo but it seems to be clasified as a non skill

Xavi6

argosy2006 wrote: »

IF he doesn't make world cup then he must retire now? why go on,

Because he is a model pro and loves playing.

Pro. F

I came into this thread to say that the media circus that will surround this injury will be annoying (after all he was only an option for the squad, not near a certainty) but now I see, in here, people are claiming that he was never much of a special player.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can overlook just how good he was in his pomp. Well, he was very, very good. Just because he was one dimensional that shouldn't obscure how good he was at his job. I think the main problem is that people under value how much better he was at crossing the ball than anybody else in the world. I have never seen any player who even comes close to his reliability for sending top quality crosses into the box. It is a simple thing that he did but the fact is, no player has been able to reproduce it. Add to that, obviously, his awesome set pieces and you had a one of a kind, exceptionally effective player.

Reganio 2

People giving out about him being one demensional is just wrong. I don't like Beckham but that dosn't stop me realising he was a good player, that's like saying Van Nistelrooy is too 1 dimensional all he did was score goals... How dare he.

Tbh, I don't take it will make any difference to Englands' chances.

Beckham is pretty mediocre these days and was badly shown up v united in the CL 1st leg.

It will give someone else a chance now.

SSN gone into overdrive.

helimachoptor

Xavi6 wrote: »

Because he is a model pro and loves playing.

Exactly, I plan on playing for aslong as possible, havent had a serious injury yet (no jinxing :rolleyes:) But Beckhams love for the game is something I like to see.

gutted for him tbh and I think england will miss him, yes he wont be a starter but with 20 mins to go Becks off the bench whipping in corners,free kicks and crosses worth a couple of goals.

kippy

Seriously, I do feel sorry for the guy. He seems like a genuine guy who was making this the end of this career.
But the sheer fact that a 34 year old player whose only major "skill" and whose only "skill" has been the ability to cross a ball from a dead ball or moving with some degree of accuracy.
It really is a damning indictment of the lack of professional players out there who can hit a dead ball consistently or manage to beat the first man with a cross.

Will England miss him, sure they will, but really as I said above, a damning indictment of the players available that they will miss him.

SlickRic

kippy wrote: »

Seriously, I do feel sorry for the guy. He seems like a genuine guy who was making this the end of this career.
But the sheer fact that a 34 year old player whose only major "skill" and whose only "skill" has been the ability to cross a ball from a dead ball or moving with some degree of accuracy.
It really is a damning indictment of the lack of professional players out there who can hit a dead ball consistently or manage to beat the first man with a cross.

Will England miss him, sure they will, but really as I said above, a damning indictment of the players available that they will miss him.

but barely anybody in the world has his passing range and free kick ability.

and absolutely nobody has his ability to cross the ball into a goalscoring opportunity from anywhere on the right side of the pitch.

nobody.

it's not an inditement on anything; he's an excellent player, with unique attributes, which could very well be missed in SA. he'd have been a brilliant impact player to have. bring him on, give him the ball in space, and just have him deliver quality into the box over and over again.

people forget so easily.

Mars Bar

kippy wrote: »

Seriously, I do feel sorry for the guy. He seems like a genuine guy who was making this the end of this career.
But the sheer fact that a 34 year old player whose only major "skill" and whose only "skill" has been the ability to cross a ball from a dead ball or moving with some degree of accuracy.
It really is a damning indictment of the lack of professional players out there who can hit a dead ball consistently or manage to beat the first man with a cross.

Will England miss him, sure they will, but really as I said above, a damning indictment of the players available that they will miss him.

Did you see the shot he took against Milan?! That took a lot of skill.

Although I see what you are getting at...

Handsome Bob

Nice bloke, I was well impressed with his actions after the CL game last week. A model professional who doesn't let personal spats get in the way of supporting a club he loves. And once more you can believe him when he says he couldn't picture playing for any other team in England than the team that made him who he is. That kind of attitude and loyalty is quite a rariety in today's game. I'm gutted for him.

kippy

SlickRic wrote: »

but barely anybody in the world has his passing range and free kick ability.

and absolutely nobody has his ability to cross the ball into a goalscoring opportunity from anywhere on the right side of the pitch.

nobody.

it's not an inditement on anything; he's an excellent player, with unique attributes, which could very well be missed in SA. he'd have been a brilliant impact player to have. bring him on, give him the ball in space, and just have him deliver quality into the box over and over again.

people forget so easily.

His passing range??
He can pass the ball, like a lot of professional players. Hes not the only one in the world with that aspect to his game.

I've not forgotten anything. My opinion of Beckham has always been the same. A player who can do one thing really well - ie beat the first man with a cross and strike a dead ball with some level of accuracy. However outside of that I've never bought into the beckham mania.
As I said, the skills which he is admired for is an inditement on the other professional players out there.

Lets not get to " ah he was the bestest player ever" either on the guy.

SlickRic

kippy wrote: »

His passing range??
Lets not get to " ah he was the bestest player ever" either on the guy.

nobody said that.

i have issues with him being called average or being like any other player.

just like 'Beckhammania' can sometimes lead people to believe he was the 'bestest player ever', i also believe 'Beckhammania' causes some people to not give him his dues.

i guarantee that people wouldn't call Keane, Scholes or Giggs average. yet Beckham was just as important as all three of them in that Utd midfield.

kippy

SlickRic wrote: »

nobody said that.

i have issues with him being called average or being like any other player.

just like 'Beckhammania' can sometimes lead people to believe he was the 'bestest player ever', i also believe 'Beckhammania' causes some people to not give him his dues.

i guarantee that people wouldn't call Keane, Scholes or Giggs average. yet Beckham was just as important as all three of them in that Utd midfield.

He was by no means average, but he is by no means a world class player - I dont think he ever was to be honest, despite the big name clubs he has played at.


He obviously wasnt that key in THAT united midfield - He was the first that Fergie got rid of.

He's a relatively likeable guy and for this kudos to him, and I do feel somewhat sorry for him missing out on the WC, as it does appear he was very loyal to his country.

super_furry

How pissed off must LA Galaxy be? Should see the end of this type of 'loan' move.

kippy

super_furry wrote: »

How pissed off must LA Galaxy be? Should see the end of this type of 'loan' move.

LA Galaxy knew what they were getting into when they signed him. More the fools them for pandering to Beckhams wants.

kryogen

SlickRic wrote: »

nobody said that.

i have issues with him being called average or being like any other player.

just like 'Beckhammania' can sometimes lead people to believe he was the 'bestest player ever', i also believe 'Beckhammania' causes some people to not give him his dues.

i guarantee that people wouldn't call Keane, Scholes or Giggs average. yet Beckham was just as important as all three of them in that Utd midfield.

no, he simply wasnt as important

just no

he was a good player, exceptional in terms of set pieces and crosses

he was not what the media hyped him to be, he was not average

why cant he just have been a good player?

its exactly what he was, a good player and an excellent pro

MagicMarker

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Necronomicon

Gutted for him.

People might begrudge his media activities, but when it comes to football he's a model pro. People seem split on whether or not he would have much to contribute, but I think he'd be great to have in the squad. As said by a few others above, if England are chasing a game with 10 minutes to go, there'd be nobody better to plant a ball onto a Rooney/Heskey/Crouch header from any area of the pitch. England have plenty of fast-dribbling, pacey wingers. Beckham offers something different.

Also, wearing the green and gold scarf coming off the pitch last week increased his legendary status 10x.

kryogen

not really, he made very sure to distance himself from the green and gold campaign directly after the game didnt he

Necronomicon

kryogen wrote: »

not really, he made very sure to distance himself from the green and gold campaign directly after the game didnt he

I didn't hear comments to that effect, but he was probably just being diplomatic - he still wore the scarf while applauding the crowd. That's enough for me anyway.

Fink Goddie

Makes me sad that i wont be seeing this during the world cup







Oh how i love you David Beckhammmmmmm

SlickRic

kryogen wrote: »

its exactly what he was, a good player and an excellent pro

same as Giggs so?

because he was just as important, probably more so, than him during Utd's 90s domination.