Another Hill Climb? Cruagh - March 30th

blorg

Went up it as far as the viewpoint this evening and then down Stocking Lane, seemed to be some sort of fire on the way up? Seemed sort of smoky. From the viewpoint there was a strange sort of blurring all to the right although the day was clear. Anyone else see this? I was up the top around 18:00.

Nietzschean

ROK ON wrote: »

FFS Dirk. It says it in the title. Cruagh.
You have doubtless been up this dozens of time.
You are actually from Dublin. Of all boardsies you are one of those who lives close to this climb.

Poor old Dirk, I took a few other people's posts/decent look at that map to figure out where the hell it was either.... Normally just refer it as going up Edmondstown Rd to the viewing point. Before this thread i don't think i'd ever heard of the word Cruagh...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=stocking+ln,+ballyboden,+co.+south+dublin,+republic+of+ireland&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.754532,111.09375&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Stocking+Ln,+Ballyboden,+County+South+Dublin,+Republic+of+Ireland&ll=53.250169,-6.276712&spn=0.038567,0.10849&z=14

niceonetom

blorg wrote: »

Went up it as far as the viewpoint this evening and then down Stocking Lane, seemed to be some sort of fire on the way up? Seemed sort of smoky. From the viewpoint there was a strange sort of blurring all to the right although the day was clear. Anyone else see this? I was up the top around 18:00.

Yeah, they were burning the gorse in the valley that would be down to the right if you were to continue up to the featherbeds. It was a small enough area but there was quite a lot of smoke up there when I was doing my mini TT (~noon). When you're breathing hard that smoke is pretty nasty and the wind was really making it stick to the surface of hill rather than let it rise away.

DirkVoodoo

I'll go check it out tomorrow so. I know it alright, like Nietzschean I know it more as "Edmondstown road after the M50 overpass".

ROK ON

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

I'll go check it out tomorrow so. I know it alright, like Nietzschean I know it more as "Edmondstown road after the M50 overpass".

Apologies fir the bitchiness I sort of shot it off. No need for the tone.
It is Edmonstown road up to past the Merry Ploughboy IIRC. From there to the lookout the road becomes Cruagh.

levitronix

niceonetom wrote: »

Yeah, they were burning the gorse in the valley that would be down to the right if you were to continue up to the featherbeds. It was a small enough area but there was quite a lot of smoke up there when I was doing my mini TT (~noon). When you're breathing hard that smoke is pretty nasty and the wind was really making it stick to the surface of hill rather than let it rise away.

I think i passed you on the way down, you on the black planet x ? i was up at the crack of dawn for devils glen, wicklow gap, sally gap then home that way about 11:45

kenmc

I was on black planet x too, boards jersey. Tom was in his Ireland top for the day that it was.

Leroy42

New poster, but have b een reading this forum for a while.

Is this hill climb thingy open to anybody on this board?

The prospect of getting passed by any number of others on the climb is not particularly appealing, but it would be nice to compare myself against others.

blorg

Leroy42 wrote: »

New poster, but have b een reading this forum for a while.

Is this hill climb thingy open to anybody on this board?

The prospect of getting passed by any number of others on the climb is not particularly appealing, but it would be nice to compare myself against others.

Yes absolutely, everyone is welcome.

Leroy42

Great, I'll be there so. Is there a cut-off time or do you guys have mountain rescue on speed-dial, I'm thinking "Roche coming through the mist" like scene, except really, reallly slowly and probably after dark!:eek:

blorg

Leroy42 wrote: »

Great, I'll be there so. Is there a cut-off time or do you guys have mountain rescue on speed-dial, I'm thinking "Roche coming through the mist" like scene, except really, reallly slowly and probably after dark!:eek:

No particular cut off-time but if you think you will be slow probably best to seed you early, that is generally how it is done in time trials, the fastest riders go last (that means Ryan.) As Ryan said, it is just individuals out for a cycle, very much at your own risk.

Idleater

blorg wrote: »

Yes absolutely, everyone is welcome.

At this rate it'll be a mass start, and I'll have to fight my way through the crowd to try to beat Ryan up the hill.

It'll be close, but I reckon that I might edge it at the line. But stranger things have happened (a la Mockler) so under no circumstances can this post be quoted back to me when I lose.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Great, I'll be there so. Is there a cut-off time or do you guys have mountain rescue on speed-dial, I'm thinking "Roche coming through the mist" like scene, except really, reallly slowly and probably after dark!:eek:

I'll go down on the motorbike and tow you up...

DirkVoodoo

So, I need an idea of times, maybe something like in Gran Turismo: gold, silver and bronze times. Rather than asking people to give away their PBs, would someone hazard as to what a respectable time would be?

I was thinking around 20 minutes?

Lumen

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

would someone hazard as to what a respectable time would be?

I was thinking around 20 minutes?

Good luck with that.

I'd take Ryan's time and add 50%.

DirkVoodoo

Lumen wrote: »

Good luck with that.

I'd take Ryan's time and add 50%.

Ah yes, I see he posted a time. Ok, so:

Gold: 15-18 mins.
Silver: 18-22 mins.
Bronze: 22-26 mins.

blorg

To the extent that we know each other we can possibly figure out a rough guide as to start order even if not an exact time. I know Ryan, Raam and Mel will be faster than me, for example. I'll probably be around the same time as Tom I imagine (indeed the whole aim of the thing for me will be to beat Tom.)

Chips Lovell

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Bronze: 22-26 mins.

Jeez, pressure. Here was me about to say I'd be happy if I get up in half an hour.

ROK ON

Lumen wrote: »

Good luck with that.

I'd take Ryan's time and add 50%.

Nonsense.
If Ryan does this in 15 and I do it between 27/28. Then loads of people here can do better than 20.

DirkVoodoo

el tonto wrote: »

Jeez, pressure. Here was me about to say I'd be happy if I get up in half an hour.

Like I said the other day, you were climbing like a big yellow bootied beast at the SK last year, once you get into your rhythm you will be taking a silver medal home.

If you fancy heading out and checking it out, plus one or two trial runs let me know. Can you get away for 2 hours?

niceonetom

blorg wrote: »

To the extent that we know each other we can possibly figure out a rough guide as to start order even if not an exact time. I know Ryan, Raam and Mel will be faster than me, for example. I'll probably be around the same time as Tom I imagine (indeed the whole aim of the thing for me will be to beat Tom.)

Dude, I've never beaten you up the first half of a speed bump - the guys you need to be watching are Dirk and Lumen.

ROK ON

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Like I said the other day, you were climbing like a big yellow bootied beast at the SK last year, once you get into your rhythm you will be taking a silver medal home.

If you fancy heading out and checking it out, plus one or two trial runs let me know. Can you get away for 2 hours?

FWIW. I did this with another boardsie know to ye last week. She did this a fair few minutes faster than me. I like the idea of the times Dirk. But for any people here it won't be a challenge to reach them.
Surely to get to the target time one should be absolutely FUBAR at the top. I can manage getting up but am never in pieces at the summit unlike say Kippure.
I would like to see what being scrapped off the floor and carried home would translate into in terms of a time.

Chips Lovell

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

If you fancy heading out and checking it out, plus one or two trial runs let me know. Can you get away for 2 hours?

I'm busy over the weekend and early next week but some time after that, yes.

Raam

Last hill climb TT I did I had to lie in the ditch for 10 minutes to recover.

niceonetom

ROK ON wrote: »

FWIW. I did this with another boardsie know to ye last week. She did this a fair few minutes faster than me. I like the idea of the times Dirk. But for any people here it won't be a challenge to reach them.
Surely to get to the target time one should be absolutely FUBAR at the top. I can manage getting up but am never in pieces at the summit unlike say Kippure.
I would like to see what being scrapped off the floor and carried home would translate into in terms of a time.

In my experience the return on extra effort is depressingly small. I haven't done a lot of testing, and without a powermeter there are a lot of factors skewing results, but I've found that the time difference between going up a climb at 170bpm and going up at 180bpm can be really small given that one is quite comfortable and sustainable and the other is bloody horrible.

It's a TT though. Red line, all the way.

Lumen

ROK ON wrote: »

Nonsense.
If Ryan does this in 15 and I do it between 27/28. Then loads of people here can do better than 20.

When we did Kippure (March '09), the fastest recreational cyclist (specialist climbers aside) was Blorg, and he was 25% slower than Ryan. Ryan claimed to be having a bad day, and Blorg has since improved.

I was 47% slower than Ryan at Kippure and 44% slower at Three Rock (Sept '09). If I'm 40% slower this time I'll be happy enough, which is about 21 minutes.

Blorg and the climbers might get under 19 minutes. I'd be delighted with anything approaching 20.

Dirk's question is about what time would be respectable, so the answer rather depends on what is required for Dirk to have some self-respect.

DirkVoodoo

niceonetom wrote: »

Dude, I've never beaten you up the first half of a speed bump - the guys you need to be watching are Dirk and Lumen.

Eh, I can't climb too well anymore, I was dying on Devil's glen last week in 34-25, I was going well last year but that form seems to have vanished.

I'll still do it though, just don't be looking at me as someone to worry about.

Going for the silver!

ROK ON

Look. This should be simple. I an 88kg some of you guys are 30% lighter than me. Let's assume all other things are equal.
Is it not then the cade that those people should be 30% faster than me.

@NOT. Interesting. I assumed that ratcheting up the pain would increase the result. But I suppose that I can choose a level that I know I can complete or chooses a level that I may complete.

Raam

@Rok On: have a go riding really really hard. If you blow up, no matter. It's good to know where the real upper limit lies.

Lumen

ROK ON wrote: »

Look. This should be simple. I an 88kg some of you guys are 30% lighter than me.

It's not as simple as that.

That would be under 62kg. That weight requires superior shortness, which tends to decrease power output.

88kg is heavy but not elephantine. Your excuses are becoming less plausible with each kg lost.

Lumen

Raam wrote: »

@Rok On: have a go riding really really hard. If you blow up, no matter. It's good to know the real upper limit lies.

Indeed. You shouldn't attempt to stay aerobic in a hillclimb TT, you have to squeeze the life out of yourself towards the end.