Fantastic Wildlife Photograpy Opportunity

Browning

I am looking for a Photographer to take a series of photographs across the 4 Seasons on a location in the Midlands. I wish to build a stock of photographs to use on my website. The photographer will be credited but there will be no payment given or asked for in return. I offer the access to this great location which is jam packed with photo opportunities for whoever can demonstrate their ability and desire to take on this unpaid opportunity. You will retain ownership of any images produced and will be free to offer for sale to any interested parties. There will be a variety of photo opportunities which will only be limited by your appetite to get out there and capture the moment.
So here is the deal again You Take Photos > I potentially use them on my website and give you the credit > You do with the picutres as you please.
If you are interested give me a shout to discuss in further detail.

Eirebear

uh-oh........

magicbastarder

i think you'd need to give more detail on the location itself, and what the website is (and what exposure it'd offer to the photographer) before people might consider your request.

DotOrg

wow, what a great opportunity. Can i do it. But can i please pay for my own transport to get to the exciting location.

Also, thank you for letting me keep my own copyright for the pictures I'll be taking for you for no money, you are a kind person indeed.

You say I'll get a credit. Is that like a sandwich? I only ask because sometimes I need money to buy things like food, software, lenses, insurance, hard drives, memory cards, bags. And as you have no money to pay for this I'll still need to do things like eat.

also, mr/miss browning, i give you permission to watch this video for free. No charge or anything, you may like the mad man in it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE

PCPhoto

Browning wrote: »

I am looking for a Photographer to take a series of photographs across the 4 Seasons on a location in the Midlands. I wish to build a stock of photographs to use on my website. The photographer will be credited but there will be no payment given or asked for in return. I offer the access to this great location which is jam packed with photo opportunities for whoever can demonstrate their ability and desire to take on this unpaid opportunity. You will retain ownership of any images produced and will be free to offer for sale to any interested parties. There will be a variety of photo opportunities which will only be limited by your appetite to get out there and capture the moment.
So here is the deal again You Take Photos > I potentially use them on my website and give you the credit > You do with the picutres as you please.
If you are interested give me a shout to discuss in further detail.

Fingers crossed you find someone who can do a decent job for you - to be honest there isn't a whole lot of photographers out there with 400mm, 500mm or 600mm lenses which will be needed to get decent quality images.

of course you might find someone who is willing to "work for free" , I would be interested but don't think I can afford to take time off my job to do it....taking time off work costs me money - if I dont work - I dont earn.

kensutz

I have a 500mm lens which would be ideal for this exciting opportunity. Pity all my money wasted on fuel and time spent photographing this would be all for nothing.

I think I'd rather pass on this tbh.

magicbastarder

did the boards crew grant use of any photos taken at charleville castle to the owners? that would have been considered fair trade for the chance to go photograph there - this may just be a poorly worded way of phrasing a similar offer.

Browning

My proposition is simple, not complicated, nobody has to starve or feel obliged. If you are not interested, then simply move on to the next topic and get over it. Nobody has to leave a job, give up a job or sign a vow of chastity. Whatever pictures you take,will be yours to barter with, sell, trade or whatever floats your boat. What I am offering is the opportunity to take pictues, which we can both use. The location is in Co.Offaly. If you are not interest dont bother to slag me off.

DotOrg

browning, i see from some of your other posts you have some cattle, this is great news!

i am holding a cow race next week and i would like to use one of your cows for the race. all you have to do is bring the cow up to me. i won't pay you but you get the cow back at the end of the event to do with as you wish.

when the cow is at the event you will have to stil be there to feed and look after the cow and make sure everything is ok

i'll put a small sign on my website saying the cow is yours. It'll be great!

Anyway back to your fantastic opportunity. when i shoot the thing you need for free. is it ok that i pay for all my own transport cos i wouldn't want you to be out of pocket even a penny.

PCPhoto

Browning .... do you intend making money from this website that you want the images for ?

no offence to you - but you are asking someone to do something for free when there is no incentive for any of us.

why would someone want to : (at their own expense)
- drive to Offaly (assuming they are from a different part of the country)
- take photographs of wildlife (on your command - I assume you will have specific things that you want photographed)
- give you the images (for free)

if any photographer wanted to take photos of wildlife they could simply travel wherever they wanted and take images, oh and by the way - wildlife photography sometimes involves stalking an animal, learning its habits, its eating and drinking spots, finding where it ****s, where its den/home is and regularly monitoring it, to do the job properly a professional may have to spend several days in one location to get the right image.

EDIT: Browning - is there any rare animals which might make this an actual "fantastic opportunity" ... if there are no rare animals then I think the thread is misleading - its definately not an opportunity for any photographer - if they wanted to go and photograph wildlife they could/should travel into the countryside and take photos of the animals they find (without needing to give them to anyone else unless someone wanted to buy).

Kintarō Hattori

DotOrg wrote: »

browning, i see from some of your other posts you have some cattle, this is great news!

i am holding a cow race next week and i would like to use one of your cows for the race. all you have to do is bring the cow up to me. i won't pay you but you get the cow back at the end of the event to do with as you wish.

when the cow is at the event you will have to stil be there to feed and look after the cow and make sure everything is ok

i'll put a small sign on my website saying the cow is yours. It'll be great!

Anyway back to your fantastic opportunity. when i shoot the thing you need for free. is it ok that i pay for all my own transport cos i wouldn't want you to be out of pocket even a penny.

Hmnnn I don't know what way to say this as I don't want to get in trouble but from your two posts in this thread you seem to have a bad attitude towards the OPs offer. If you aren't prepared to ask for more detail about his offer in a civil way then it would nice if you were to lay off the sarcasm.

OP you aren't going to find too many people interested in your offer as it stands for the simple fact that you haven't given enough detail. You haven't given anyone incentive to go and do what you're proposing. As it stands anyone here can just head into a random area of the midlands and take photos. You haven't said why it'll be worth their time and effort.

Slidinginfinity

What ever happened to, 'it doesn't hurt to ask'?
Browning probably thought he was asking a amateur photographer for a mutual exchange. He has a location that people are not normally allowed access to, and someone else potentially has a bit of know how, equipment and a desire to gain access to new places.

Eirebear wrote: »

uh-oh........

My thoughts when I read this were exactly the same.:D

magicbastarder wrote: »

i think you'd need to give more detail on the location itself, and what the website is (and what exposure it'd offer to the photographer) before people might consider your request.

At least a helpful reply.

PCPhoto wrote: »

Browning .... do you intend making money from this website that you want the images for ?

no offence to you - but you are asking someone to do something for free when there is no incentive for any of us.

why would someone want to : (at their own expense)
- drive to Offaly (assuming they are from a different part of the country)
- take photographs of wildlife (on your command - I assume you will have specific things that you want photographed)
- give you the images (for free)

if any photographer wanted to take photos of wildlife they could simply travel wherever they wanted and take images, oh and by the way - wildlife photography sometimes involves stalking an animal, learning its habits, its eating and drinking spots, finding where it ****s, where its den/home is and regularly monitoring it, to do the job properly a professional may have to spend several days in one location to get the right image.

Well articulated and informative.

sineadw

Browning - I think as someone else stated you'll have to be clearer about why people might want to do this. You state that its a fantastic opportunity - maybe you should tell us why.

Perhaps you're not aware, but any image taken by a photographer is his or hers to do with as they will *automatically* so there's no incentive there. And wildlife photography requires some specialist (and VERY expensive) equipment. So you might see why people are taking your short post the wrong way? Perhaps there's something you need to explain more, like that you have exclusive access on private land to some species it would otherwise be difficult to photograph or something?

sineadw

Slidinginfinity wrote: »

He has a location that people are not normally allowed access to, and someone else potentially has a bit of know how, equipment and a desire to gain access to new places.

In fairness - I see no reference to an area people wouldn't normally have access to. I can understand DotOrg's response completely.

Browning

Thanks to PCPhoto and Kintaro, I never said that I would be unwilling to cover reasonable expenses, this was just the assumption that was made as I stated I will not in a position to pay for photos taken. PCPhoto you asked the sensible questions in relation to the actual requirement. You will be brought to the photo oppurtunities and the requirements will be discussed. Nothing complicated just good quality shots required.These pictures will be used by a charity on its new website. This is a not for profit charity.

sineadw

Again, you'll have to give more detail I'm afraid. What charity? What kind of shots? I don't think you realise what you're asking is a BIG ask if you want quality. Decent wildlife lenses cost thousands for a start..

Slidinginfinity

sineadw wrote: »

In fairness - I see no reference to an area people wouldn't normally have access to. I can understand DotOrg's response completely.

I never refered to anything posted by DotOrg.

sineadw

Slidinginfinity wrote: »

I never refered to anything posted by DotOrg.

I know, I was referencing the sentiment of the first line of your post, and empathising with DotOrg

Browning

SineadW - Website quailty Photos as stated earlier. The majority of shots would either be of wildlife, Birds or Habitats.
SineadW- Fantastic opportunity in the fact that nobody else has access to the location.

I was not aware that my offer would cause such debate, I just need a help out. If its not for you then save yourself the trouble and move to something else.

humberklog

Browning wrote: »

I was not aware that my offer would cause such debate, I just need a help out. If its not for you then save yourself the trouble and move to something else.

I think you'd have got a far more positive show of interest if you had used this honesty in your opening gambit as opposed to only directing peoples attention at a fantastic opportunity.

The nature of the charity may be important also as it may be a cause that some people connect with and would be interested in helping out also on the flip side it could be a charity that someone dislikes/objects to.

Thirdfox

Browning wrote: »

SineadW - Website quailty Photos as stated earlier. The majority of shots would either be of wildlife, Birds or Habitats.
SineadW- Fantastic opportunity in the fact that nobody else has access to the location.

I was not aware that my offer would cause such debate, I just need a help out. If its not for you then save yourself the trouble and move to something else.

Hey Browning - don't sweat it - you probably made an innocent mistake... people come on here every so often looking for free photos for weddings, shows, etc.

Put another way, I'm a law student as well as a photographer - sometimes I would be able to help out with legal problems but it's not surprising if people charge high costs for providing professional legal advice. Similarly if you want to have professional shots you often have to pay the price (especially if you're looking for something that is as specialised as wildlife photography).

What you have asked here is akin to going to the legal forum and saying:
Hey, I'm a charity who'd like a Memorandum of Association drafted up by someone who's interested in drafting experience - can't offer you any pay but you'll have the fantastic opportunity to draft a real Memo of Ass. for a real company! Not many lawyers would take you up on that offer either I suspect... and the ones who might have a crack...well you might not be able to count on them.

If you think it's do-able - you could hire some equipment (not too expensive for a day/2 days) and go out and take some shots yourself. This way you can see if it's a difficult prospect or not (and worth paying for or not). If you end up with usable shots you've achieved your aim. If not you might understand why some photographers here are a little peeved by your request. A win/win situation for everyone.

oshead

Browning wrote: »

I was not aware that my offer would cause such debate, I just need a help out. If its not for you then save yourself the trouble and move to something else.

Have keyboard, will type as much c**p as is possible. Sadly, at times, this can be the norm around here. Here is another example of this type of behavior from today. Personally, I don't get involved too much, but you'd have to admit, it usually makes a cracking read. :P

*eadaoin

browning i think the issue you've unintentionally run into is one of making photographers feel like their good work is undervalued. you've probably gathered from the thread now that good photos are not easily come by and you're asking hard working people to give away their work for free, without a thought (or at least a mention) about how much goes into what you're asking. if you want professional work then why should you not pay professional prices, i mean is the website being built for free?

i think you also need to be less vague and more upfront about all the details and perhaps people will give a more positive response

AnimalRights

I'm unemployed but will work for..

alexlyons

browning: some people have already asked, but you haven't really answered.

What exact wildlife will be photographed? the location has never been accessed, but if the wildlife can be seen else where, it is of little or no benefit. Give details of animals if you can.

What is the charity for? Name, mission etc etc

I had one or two more questions which I'll post if I remember them. But if you don't answer these very clearly and specifically, I really would forget your chances of finding someone on here.

How long, in hours and days will the photographer have to give up, from the moment they step onto your land to the moment they leave, ignoring transport time.

If I were you, I'd forget the incentives such as you get to keep the images for yourself etc and focus on some of the other positives, helping a charity etc, hence the need for name and mission etc.

You want good quality images for a website and seem to have been a bit mixed up earlier. The images for a website are generally low resolution, however a good wildlife shot must me high resolution and well taken, which is not easy and I'd stretch as far as hard.

Perhaps you could get more than one photographer to do this? That way no one person is giving up much time and you also get more than one person taking the photos, which spreads your risk of a bad wildlife photographer, basically giving you something to fall back on if one ends up not being great or missing shots etc.

DotOrg

Browning> yes, i am being pretty sarcastic towards your 'offer' because for the simple reason the vast majority of photographers wouldn't consider it 'a fantastic opportunity'

A 'credit' is NOT a form of payment and in the majority of cases has absolutely no value to a photographer. The 'rights' to use the pictures as you wish are also the photographers automatically so you shouldn't have tried to use that as a barginning chip when making your post.

If your initial post had been something like below, you would have been inundated with requests and wouldn't have got any negativity


"I'm looking for a photographer for a charities website (insert details of charity here) of some wildlife pictures. As it's a charity, we don't have any money for a payment but you will be helping out (the sick animals/haiti/cancer research)

If you need help getting to the locations, I will help you with that as I know it's asking a lot for someone to come and spend their time and use of their expensive equipment and considerable talents and skills"

Saint_Mel

It always amazes me when people look for something for nothing and then get somewhat pissy when others either question the "deal" or ask for more specific details.

IMHO a cheeky freebie ask is an open invite for a sarcastic reply, so if you've got a neck like a jockeys b*ll*cks then you should have the thick skin to match

As someone who is from, lives and works in the Midlands, just out of interest, I'd like to know where this top secret unattainable location is? Snapping abrare bird in Boora would be cooler than shooting a snipe in Clara!

As someone else mentioned if the wildlife in question is alive and well at other locations it really takes away the "fantastic opportunity" to shoot at this never before accesses location.

Browning

DOTORG, thanks for your continued interest. I had however gathered from your first post that you were not interested so I fail to understand why you continue with harp on like a dog with a bone. I presume also that you are already far too busy anyway with opportunities that are fee paying to have even asking the reasonable questions. I must thank you though for the English lesson and for your interest in my cattle related activities. My apologies for my incorrect phrasing of my requirement, I now realise as stated by some of the other posters that this may have been the incorrect forum for my request, I mistakenly thought that I may find people in here that are interested in taking photos and not just slagging people off for the sake of their art or to have a moan about the woes and costs of being a photographer whether it be on a professional or amatuer basis.
BTW I have received quite a few expressions of interest and shall be persuing those and hopefully they shall be rewarded with shot nice shots.:)

PCPhoto

OP .... if you can promise me there is a rare animal/bird to be photographed in its natural habitat then I will volunteer - (however - I need assurances that no-one will be allowed on the land to do the same image)

Also - I may not be able to make it out to your lands on the days you want.

Browning

SaintMel,

If it was a rare bird in Boora or along the same lines would that make it an attractive proposition as I know very few have snapped that feathered variety.

PCPhoto

Browning wrote: »

DOTORG, thanks for your continued interest. I had however gathered from your first post that you were not interested so I fail to understand why you continue with harp on like a dog with a bone. I presume also that you are already far too busy anyway with opportunities that are fee paying to have even asking the reasonable questions. I must thank you though for the English lesson and for your interest in my cattle related activities. My apologies for my incorrect phrasing of my requirement, I now realise as stated by some of the other posters that this may have been the incorrect forum for my request, I mistakenly thought that I may find people in here that are interested in taking photos and not just slagging people off for the sake of their art or to have a moan about the woes and costs of being a photographer whether it be on a professional or amatuer basis.
BTW I have received quite a few expressions of interest and shall be persuing those and hopefully they shall be rewarded with shot nice shots.:)

People in here ARE interested in taking photos - FOR THEMSELVES NOT FOR SOMEONE ELSES BENEFIT...I've partially volunteered (depending on if there is a rare animal/bird to be photographed - otherwise it would be no different to me driving out into the countryside and taking photos whenever it suits me)

PCPhoto

maybe this thread should be moved to nature and wildlife - some over there might be interested in helping - as they would be more interested in the animals than the photography.

(Don't expect professional results if the photographer isn't using professional equipment)

OP - I've asked this before but -

- Do you intend making money from the website ?
- Do you intend paying someone to create the website ?
- Do you know of any rare animals on this land ?...or indeed any animals which might be of interest to photograph?

Personally I would like to photo a badger, fox, hummingbird, woodpecker, otter or any rare plants/flowers which are specific to the area..... I understand the amount of preparation work involved (studying the habits of the animals etc) and like any of the other photographers on this site would only volunteer IF we could do the job properly, we would not want to disappoint ourselves and not provide top quality images.

nilhg

I have to say i don't quite get the antagonism to the OP, OK he might not have expressed himself well in his first post but the proposition is quite clear to me, in return for non exclusive use of some images the photographer gets free access to somebodys private lands, which if they have many rare or unusual species will have been managed to attract them and that sort of habitat usually costs alot to create and maintain.


As I see it his proposition is not much different to going to somewhere like the zoo and being allowed in in exchange for prints or jpegs on a disk, or am I missing something?

Browning

PCPhoto,

People mistook the use of the word Fanastic to relate to the the lack of cost on my behalf. Anybody like yourself who has bothered to engage will now begin to understand that the Fanastic relates to the opportunity to shoot images of a rare species in its natural habitat. This opportunity is not freely available and is by invitation only. So it is kinda one off to whoever gets the chance. I shall PM you later with more details if you are interested. Can I see any of your previous work online... Cheers BTW..:)

PCPhoto

nilhg wrote: »

I have to say i don't quite get the antagonism to the OP, OK he might not have expressed himself well in his first post but the proposition is quite clear to me, in return for non exclusive use of some images the photographer gets free access to somebodys private lands, which if they have many rare or unusual species will have been managed to attract them and that sort of habitat usually costs alot to create and maintain.


As I see it his proposition is not much different to going to somewhere like the zoo and being allowed in in exchange for prints or jpegs on a disk, or am I missing something?

IF there is rare animals on the lands - but at the moment we have no knowledge of that..... at the moment it seems like this is simply just someone's private lands with "ordinary" wildlife.

OP - do you have any lakes/rivers on the land ?

*eadaoin

Browning wrote: »

PCPhoto,

People mistook the use of the word Fanastic to relate to the the lack of cost on my behalf. Anybody like yourself who has bothered to engage will now begin to understand that the Fanastic relates to the opportunity to shoot images of a rare species in its natural habitat. This opportunity is not freely available and is by invitation only. So it is kinda one off to whoever gets the chance. I shall PM you later with more details if you are interested. Can I see any of your previous work online... Cheers BTW..:)

i don't understand why you're leaving this to people to "realise" instead of just straight up coming out with all the details? how can you expect fully informed responses if you don't let people know exactly what your offer involves? my absolutely honest reaction to your posts is to be slightly suspicious of the fact that you're giving no full detail and then surprised by your reaction to people's honest feelings & opinions about what you've said. it doesn't seem a very tempting or amiable offer.

Saint_Mel

Browning wrote: »

SaintMel,

If it was a rare bird in Boora or along the same lines would that make it an attractive proposition as I know very few have snapped that feathered variety.

Well obviously the chance to get exclusive access to a rare snap is more attractive than being asked to travel, wait and take pictures of a sparrow in Shannonbridge or the like.

If you could PM me with the specific details I would much appreciate it

nilhg

PCPhoto wrote: »

IF there is rare animals on the lands - but at the moment we have no knowledge of that..... at the moment it seems like this is simply just someone's private lands with "ordinary" wildlife.

OP - do you have any lakes/rivers on the land ?

And if you wanted to go onto anybodys ordinary lands with ordinary wildlife you'd have to ask the owners permission, if he asked you for a few images would you treat him like the OP's been treated here?

*eadaoin wrote: »

i don't understand why you're leaving this to people to "realise" instead of just straight up coming out with all the details? how can you expect fully informed responses if you don't let people know exactly what your offer involves? my absolutely honest reaction to your posts is to be slightly suspicious of the fact that you're giving no full detail and then surprised by your reaction to people's honest feelings & opinions about what you've said. it doesn't seem a very tempting or amiable offer.

In fairness the Op said he'd supply details by PM, why should he have to post them here for the whole world to see, remember if we take things at face value this is privete lands with rare species, hardly the thing to advertise to all.

sineadw

Still no mention of what charity either. To be honest I'm quite flabbergasted by the OP's attitude. What's the big secret?! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Nilhg - he could tell us what's there that's so fantastic without posting a google map to the location for god's sake.

Gones..

magicbastarder

interesting that one poster asked for free photos, with not much to give in return in a recent thread, and this chap is possibly offering something in return and is being ridiculed by quite a few.

this place confuses me.

sineadw

magicbastarder wrote: »

interesting that one poster asked for free photos, with not much to give in return in a recent thread, and this chap is possibly offering something in return and is being ridiculed by quite a few.

this place confuses me.

Because the other guy told us what and why! And he didn't want us to go shoot specifically for him and then 'allow' us to retain rights to our own images. Big difference.

magicbastarder

as i mentioned before, it may have just been poor phrasing. he wanted people to know that he was not going to insist on copyright in return, so it depends on the way you read it. if you're not well versed in the ways of photographers, or of boards etiquette (which isn't incredibly intuitive), you're bound to stumble a bit.

sineadw

I don't get why he won't disclose the wildlife or the charity though... Makes me more than a little suspicious.

Aannnnyway.. breakfast

alexlyons

PCPhoto wrote: »

OP - I've asked this before but -

- Do you intend making money from the website ?

Yes you did, and he answered this

Browning wrote:

These pictures will be used by a charity on its new website. This is a not for profit charity.

Browning wrote: »

PCPhoto,

People mistook the use of the word Fanastic to relate to the the lack of cost on my behalf. Anybody like yourself who has bothered to engage will now begin to understand that the Fanastic relates to the opportunity to shoot images of a rare species in its natural habitat. This opportunity is not freely available and is by invitation only. So it is kinda one off to whoever gets the chance. I shall PM you later with more details if you are interested.

Browning, there are some interested parties here, but not many. I've said it before about taking maybe more than one so they only use a smaller portion of their time (one a season maybe). What do you think of this?

Also, Name The Wildlife. If your wildlife is as rare as you say it is, naming it will only attract more people to the offer. I honestly don't see why you haven't named it, it's not like you're posting a high res photo on here with a creative commons license and people turn around and say "oh no its fine, that image will do me fine, no longer interested". The names will guarantee more interest, so post them.

pwd

He might not want to connect his site/charity/identity with this thread, because of the negative/hostile remarks. You can't demand he does when he's perfectly good reason not to want to.

It does sound like he's trying to exploit people who will work for free: There's sales-pitch type tone of the first post - lots of hyperbole and little information. But that could be just how he talks - benefit of the doubt and all.

It's not nice to have loads of people gang up on you like has happened here. Happens a lot on this site though. Nerds get a false sense of belonging and it goes to their heads a bit - that's my take on it anyway.

magicbastarder

i'll rephrase the original post:
'i've got a great site in the midlands with loads of photo opportunities and anyone who wants to take photos on the site is welcome. all i ask in return is that i get to use the photos on a website i'm developing, and there won't be any question of me trying to retain copyright.'

i would hardly blame him for being reticent to offer any further details, given he was probably on the back foot after some of the more negative responses.

keps

It seems to me that this was a fair pitch.

Obviously, for the assignment to work for the OP, there will have to be a large degree of communication, co-operation and trust between Browning and any prospective 'photographer'.


So if you want more info - PM Browning.


If not -just pass on to the next thread.

Valentia

I'm interested and have PM the OP. Seems genuine but I'll wait to hear more. Having read his/her previous posts I might have an idea what it is........but then again......

DaireQuinlan

Valentia wrote: »

I'm interested and have PM the OP. Seems genuine but I'll wait to hear more. Having read his/her previous posts I might have an idea what it is........but then again......

Grey Partridge conservation effort in Boora ?

Valentia

Maybe. If so it would be an interesting prospect.

bernard0368

Snails, heritge site maybe?