Manchester United vs Liverpool/Sunday 21st March/KO 13:30 (Mod note: Post #1 & #770)

syngindub

Utd to Hammer the Pool 4-0

Ush1

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Hope 'Pool win for obvious reasons. It'll be up to Mascherano to cut out the service to Rooney.

Yep, I probably dislike Man. United marginally more than Liverpool. But if Arsenal can benefit, I'd like to Liverpool win. But I'm torn because I've said the whole time that United will win the league and even though I hate them I like being proved right.:(

Mr Alan

rooney has nearly always underperformed against us, not sure if its the pressure of the big one (doubt it) or if Carra has his number, however, i expect him to fare better this time

davyjose

syngindub wrote: »

Utd to Hammer the Pool 4-0

Would love that. the way Liverpool have been all season you would expect a united win, but Liverpool always raise their game against the Champions, so we'll see.

Vanbis

Quandary wrote: »

Utd win i reckon. Fergie will not want to lose another one to the scousers this year.Liverpool at 9/2 to win on PP. Thats surely worth a punt for the optimistic pool fan ?

L'pool hitting form at just the right time so will be high on confidence come sunday. Thats great odds and surley worth a punt.

Form goes out the window for this one and i honeslty don't know how it will go, hoepfully 3pts for Manutd.

irishturkey

It pains me to say but I reckon United too win 3-1

SlickRic

i think one thing needs to be said...

Liverpool don't necessarily 'raise their game' for Utd.

Tactically we always set ourselves out a certain way against the big teams, especially Utd. Utd like to have the ball, and so often they're let have it against teams. Benitez likes to pressure and hassle bigger teams, which Lucas and Masch will do all day. they do it every week, against everyone.

the problem is against smaller teams when the onus is on us to be constructive rather than destructive.

so i merely expect our normal performance against United. hasslling and getting about them. it's whether United can combat that, and stop Gerrard and Torres scoring off the scraps.

Mitch Connor

SlickRic wrote: »

i think one thing needs to be said...

Liverpool don't necessarily 'raise their game' for Utd.

Tactically we always set ourselves out a certain way against the big teams, especially Utd. Utd like to have the ball, and so often they're let have it against teams. Benitez likes to pressure and hassle bigger teams, which Lucas and Masch will do all day. they do it every week, against everyone.

the problem is against smaller teams when the onus is on us to be constructive rather than destructive.

so i merely expect our normal performance against United. hasslling and getting about them. it's whether United can combat that, and stop Gerrard and Torres scoring off the scraps.

This season Liverpool were tripe before and after the game at Anfield, your lot certainly raised their game for the occasion imo. Previous season not so much - liverpool were in good form at the time and beat a floundering United side at OT at the time, deservedly.

Mr Alan

not according to Mr Ferguson Mitch, the better team lost that day iirc

Boggles

Fletcher will own the midfield.

Rooney will get the goals.

3-0

bullvine

Aye, i agree Fletch is huge, he hasnt played in the last 3 matches against Pool. 4-5-1 Fergie all the way, hopefully hes uses common sense and leaves Berb on the bench even though hes been playing well of late.

Ush1

Fletcher will kick people. Odds are evens for that.

SlickRic

Boggles wrote: »

Fletcher will own the midfield.

Rooney will get the goals.

3-0

agreed, in principle.

in that, if Utd get a proper hold in midfield, the game is over, and it could get embarrassing.

we just don't have the quality in enough of the other areas on the pitch IMO.

i don't see Carra and Agger keeping Rooney out if he's being supplied a lot of quality.

Kess73

Will go against league form and say a Liverpool win.


1-2 or 2-3 in a game where both managers do their normal flood the midfield routine for this game.

Boggles

Kess73 wrote: »

Will go against league form and say a Liverpool win.


1-2 or 2-3 in a game where both managers do their normal flood the midfield routine for this game.

United played 4-4-2 the last 2 outings.

And 4-3-3 the one before that.

With Fletcher available for this he could play 2 in the centre again and 2 up top.

On form Park for me on the left.

Kess73

Boggles wrote: »

United played 4-4-2 the last 2 outings.

And 4-3-3 the one before that.

With Fletcher available for this he could play 2 in the centre again and 2 up top.

On form Park for me on the left.

If I remember right, in the 4-1 game, Tevez was dropping deep and chasing hard against the midfield, leaving Rooney as the lone forward, despite it being a 4-4-2 on paper.

Pretty sure in the 2-0 earlier this season that Rooney was dropping back with Berbatov up front on his own a lot.


I don't think formations are fast and hard when Benitez and Ferguson teams meet though. Liverpool vs Man Utd seems to have more stacking of midfields than most of the other big name clashes in the EPL.

One thing that is for sure though, is that the formbook goes out the window for this clash.

kryogen

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=255316.0


that thread is epic tbh

cringeworthy

Vanbis

Boggles wrote: »

With Fletcher available for this he could play 2 in the centre again and 2 up top.

On form Park for me on the left.

I can see SAF going with this but i think he might just go with Rooney up front on his own.

I think this game will be won in Midfield. The last two meetings Liverpool have won that battle so sunday with Fletcher and either Carrick/Scholes will be interesting. I hope he picks Scholes ahead of the Carrick.

LuckyLloyd

Comfortable enough Utd win.

Though the meltdown to come after will be the most irrelevant load of toss ever, as both sides could afford to lose this game and still win the league / qualify for the CL. The 'must win' games are elsewhere on the respective schedules.

Headshot

kryogen wrote: »

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=255316.0


that thread is epic tbh

cringeworthy

That link is corrupt .
Very funny read

Kev_ps3

Hope we can contain Torres. 4 goals,2 assists in his last 2 games. Think the game hinges on that tbh

Pro. F

SlickRic wrote: »

agreed, in principle.

in that, if Utd get a proper hold in midfield, the game is over, and it could get embarrassing.

we just don't have the quality in enough of the other areas on the pitch IMO.

i don't see Carra and Agger keeping Rooney out if he's being supplied a lot of quality.

I agree, the midfield battle is key. And tbh, your analysis works both ways, as Torres and Gerrard have shown what they can do to our CBs in the past.

I hope to see a 5 man midfield of
Valencia Scholes Fletcher Park Nani
That would enable us to dominate the ball imo. And then Rooney would get a few goals and we could all go home happy - well except Liverpool obviously

The Muppet

kryogen wrote: »

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=255316.0


that thread is epic tbh

cringeworthy

Comedy Gold , Rawk is always good for a laugh.

Looking forward to this one, we owe them one at this stage. Our midfield needs to perform at their best and hope Torres doesn't skin Vidic again.

I think Liverpool will control the midfield. Hoping to see Scholes on uniteds team sheet.

However, I can't see our CB's being able to handle Rooney.

Torres v Vidic should be fun.

Prediction 1-1.

meditraitor

I just love this fixture,

1pm sunday
pub, drink, torres scoring, home happy.

Kev_ps3

meditraitor wrote: »

I just love this fixture,

1pm sunday
pub, drink, torres scoring, home happy.

yeah torres scoring, rooney scoring 2;)

meditraitor

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

yeah torres scoring, rooney scoring 2;)

Its will be a good spectacle either way, enjoy the day

Harpy

meditraitor wrote: »

I just love this fixture,

1pm sunday
pub, drink, torres scoring one, Rooney hatrick, home happy.

thats my plan..

Nalz

Mr Alan wrote: »

not according to Mr Ferguson Mitch, the better team lost that day iirc

Mr Ferguson having a go again at the FA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8576818.stm
has he a point, or/and he just stirring it up before this match?

Trilla

Trilla wrote: »

Mr Ferguson having a go again at the FA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8576818.stm
has he a point, or/and he just stirring it up before this match?

Fergie's just trolling

killwill

Trilla wrote: »

Mr Ferguson having a go again at the FA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8576818.stm
has he a point, or/and he just stirring it up before this match?

I think even the majority of Liverpool fans agreed to Gerrard getting away with the elbow as very very lucky. Probably lucky to get away with the V sign too. So, yeah, he has a definite point but it is Fergie looking for a reaction from Benitez. Role on the mind games!!!

MagicMarker

It's either gonna be tight and end 1-1 or possibly 2-1 to the pool, or United will absolutely hammer them, 4-0.

I can't fúcking wait!!

MagicMarker

MagicMarker wrote: »

It's either gonna be tight and end 1-1 or possibly 2-1 to the pool, or United will absolutely hammer them, 4-0.

I can't fúcking wait!!

So you've tipped a Liverpool win, a united win and a draw.

Top tipster

MagicMarker

rarnes1 wrote: »

So you've tipped a Liverpool win, a united win and a draw.

Top tipster

That's how I roll:cool:

Johner

Come on Liverpool! Torres scoring two in a 2-0 victory.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

A 4-5-1 please Fergie, something along the lines of this:

---

VDS

---

Neville--Vidic--Rio--Evra
---Fletcher--Scholes--Park---
Valencia

---

Nani/Giggs

---

Rooney

---

Rio to mark Torres, please.
Neville in for experience.
Park to track back on Gerrard.
Fletcher to close down the ticking time bomb that is Mascherano and try get him sent off.:p
Scholes to chop down anyone within a 5 yard radius.


Going to this one, cannot wait!:D

PHB

Fergie's just pissing off people in order to

A. Make people think the FA are against them
B. Influence the ref on Sunday to keep a special eye on Gerrard

anplaya

baz2009 wrote: »

A 4-5-1 please Fergie, something along the lines of this:

---

VDS

---

Neville--Vidic--Rio--Evra
---Fletcher--Scholes--Park---
Valencia

---

Nani/Giggs

---

Rooney

---

Rio to mark Torres, please.

the same torres that made a fool of him to score pools first goal in the 2-0 victory?yeah why not.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

anplaya wrote: »

the same torres that made a fool of him to score pools first goal in the 2-0 victory?yeah why not.

He'll do a better job than Vidic.

anplaya

baz2009 wrote: »

He'll do a better job than Vidic.

neither of them have a case atm.

Iago

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Ferdinand played well v Torres 2 seasons ago iirc at Old Trafford so I'd imagine he'll stick close to him Sunday.

Vidic can't handle him at all.

anplaya

rarnes1 wrote: »

Ferdinand played well v Torres 2 seasons ago iirc at Old Trafford so I'd imagine he'll stick close to him Sunday.

Vidic can't handle him at all.

really?if thats the way it works.torres skinned rio in the last game they played,just like he skinned vidic in the previous one.how ever, tbh its all on the day .those two lads cud shut up shop and he might not get a sniff.

redzerdrog

nopefully neville and scholes play

Mr Alan

far be it from me to be the voice of reason, but i think both Ferdinand and Vidic are capable of marshalling Torres on their day, however, i think a decline in their form over the last couple of seasons means its probably slightly more likely he'll tear one me them a holebumgold

Peyton Manning

Mr Alan wrote: »

far be it from me to be the voice of reason, but i think both Ferdinand and Vidic are capable of marshalling Torres on their day, however, i think a decline in their form over the last couple of seasons means its probably slightly more likely he'll tear one of them a new apsehole.

Are you mental? Last couple of seasons? They broke records last season ffs. Any "lack of form" this season is purely down to a substantial lack of fitness and game time. Must try harder Al.

redzerdrog

was reading last week about the differant centre back pairings utd had this year and was surprised that rio-vidic conceaded the most goals per games.

jesus_thats_gre

starbelgrade wrote: »

A pitch invasion by the 1974 German team vs Holland's 1994 line-up. I bet that would surprise ya.

You being anything but an obnoxious twat before, during and after the match is about the only thing that would surprise me.

:eek:

joking obviously...

timetogetfit

I cant get excited about this one as much as I usually do, this should be a walk in the park for united.Liverpool are just an above average team now and its like playing villa or spurs, I mean this liverpool couldnt get a goal against a crap wigan team , a wigan team that got hammered 4-0 by bolton only recently.I think we will win 3 or 4 nil to be honest

Also to the liverpool fans that think they will control the midfield, ye really are a disillussioned lot, probably thought ye were going to win the league this year for the same reason, when united play park,flecther,scholes,carrick,and valencia together in midfield they usually dominate the best of teams and ye certainly arent that

timetogetfit

timetogetfit wrote: »

I cant get excited about this one as much as I usually do

,

this should be a walk in the park for united

I think we will win 3 or 4 nil to be honest

Surely you should be excited about this easy win?