Arsenal and their lack of " depth "

Jazzy

arsenal dont have title winning depth, but do have top 4 depth.

Fuhrer

SDTimeout wrote: »

Anyway compare the squads and the " depth " factor. This imo is arsenal's best 11
Almunia, sagna, verm, gallas, clichy, song, fabregas, rosicky, arshavin, rvp, bendtner.

There are major claims for gibbs, denilson, diaby, rosicky, nasri andeduardo to be included in that line up.

Chelsea is cech, bosingwa, terry, carv, cole, essien, lampard, mikel, malouda, drogba, anelka.

claims to be made for joe cole, kalou, ballack, ivanvic, zirkov...

Is it a media myth that arsenal have crap depth. Because we've been missing bendtner rvp gallas cesc and clichy for parts of the season. Yet still within touching distance

Hold on a minute here, do you even understand the concept of a squad?

You're argument that Arsenal have good swaud depth is to say your first 11 is strong?

And then to add irony to it, you include in possible additions to that starting 11 a player that is alread in it!

SDTimeout

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Headshot

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Arsenal have had far more injuries this season than United.

vds
Rio
Vidic
Brown
giggs
Nani
ando
owen
raf (in and out of team with niggly injuries)
(think that's all the utd ones)

so list the arsenal ones

Fuhrer

SDTimeout wrote: »

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The term is Idiot, not human.

SDTimeout

Almunia,
Clichy,
Gibbs,
Gallas,
Cesc
Nasri
Daiby
Ramsey
Eduardo
Bendtner
Rvp

Frisbee

Headshot wrote: »

vds
Rio
Vidic
Brown
giggs
Nani
ando
owen
raf (in and out of team with niggly injuries)
(think that's all the utd ones)

so list the arsenal ones

Almunia
Fabianski
Gallas
Silvestre
Clichy
Gibbs
Traore
Sagna
Denilson
Diaby
Fabregas
Ramsey
Rosicky
Arshavin
Nasri
Vela
RVP
Bendtner
Eduardo

Didn't bother including anyone who was missing for less than two weeks.

Headshot

Headshot wrote: »

vds
Rio
Vidic
Brown
giggs
Nani
ando
owen
raf

some idiot

i forgot the

Mr reliable John O'shea

and the newest on the treatment table

R De Laet

edit

gary neville & kiko

Fuhrer

Headshot wrote: »

some idiot

i forgot the

Mr reliable John O'shea

and the newest on the treatment table

R De Laet

And welbeck, fabio, hargreaves etc.

davyjose

Headshot wrote: »

vds
Rio
Vidic
Brown
giggs
Nani
ando
owen
raf (in and out of team with niggly injuries)
(think that's all the utd ones)

so list the arsenal ones

Hargreaves

Headshot

Frisbee wrote: »

Almunia
Fabianski
Gallas
Silvestre
Clichy
Gibbs
Traore
Sagna
Denilson
Diaby
Fabregas
Ramsey
Rosicky
Arshavin
Nasri
Vela
RVP
Bendtner
Eduardo

Didn't bother including anyone who was missing for less than two weeks.

fecker, foiled again

but we had carrick as a CB so checkmate

davyjose wrote: »

Hargreaves

you cant include hargo tbf.

Pepe LeFrits

Headshot wrote: »

vds
Rio
Vidic
Brown
giggs
Nani
ando
owen
raf (in and out of team with niggly injuries)
(think that's all the utd ones)

so list the arsenal ones

Player Injury Date Reported
Tomas Rosicky Injury Groin/Pelvis Injury 2010 March 12th
Bacary Sagna Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 March 9th
Cesc Fabregas Injury Hamstring Injury 2010 March 6th
Denilson Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2010 March 1st
Sol Campbell Injury Groin Strain 2010 March 1st
Aaron Ramsey Injury Broken Leg 2010 February 27th
Vassiriki Diaby Injury MCL Knee Ligament Injury 2010 February 17th
William Gallas Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2010 February 13th
Manuel Almunia Injury Thumb/Wrist Injury 2010 February 13th
Andrey Arshavin Injury Hamstring Injury 2010 February 10th
Samir Nasri Injury Head Injury 2010 February 10th
Alexandre Song Injury MCL Knee Ligament Injury 2010 February 10th
Carlos Vela Injury Knee Injury 2010 February 1st
Sol Campbell Injury Groin Strain 2010 January 31st
Eduardo Da Silva Injury Hamstring Injury 2010 January 27th
Thomas Vermaelen Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2010 January 27th
Vassiriki Diaby Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2010 January 20th
Bacary Sagna Injury Shoulder Injury 2010 January 20th
Fran Merida Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 January 17th
Samir Nasri Injury Hamstring Injury 2010 January 10th
Aaron Ramsey Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2010 January 10th
Denilson Injury Rib Injury 2010 January 9th
Jack Wilshere Injury Hamstring Injury 2010 January 8th
Andrey Arshavin Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 January 1st
Philippe Senderos Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 January 1st
Cesc Fabregas Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 28th
Theo Walcott Injury Rib Injury 2009 December 27th
Denilson Injury Back Injury 2009 December 27th
Cesc Fabregas Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 16th
Denilson Injury Back Injury 2009 December 12th
Theo Walcott Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 December 9th
Emmanuel Eboue Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 9th
Tomas Rosicky Injury Groin Strain 2009 December 5th
William Gallas Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 5th
Armand Traore Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 5th
Andrey Arshavin Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 December 5th
Cesc Fabregas Injury Back Injury 2009 December 5th
Eduardo Da Silva Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 December 2nd
Theo Walcott Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 2nd
Bacary Sagna Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 November 29th
William Gallas Injury Swollen Eye 2009 November 24th
Kieran Gibbs Injury Metatarsal Fracture 2009 November 24th
Kieran Gibbs Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 November 17th
Robin Van Persie Injury Sprained Ankle 2009 November 14th
Vassiriki Diaby Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2009 November 7th
Gael Clichy Injury Back Injury 2009 October 31st
Lukasz Fabianski Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 October 28th
Carlos Vela Injury Knee Injury 2009 October 24th
Jack Wilshere Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 October 24th
Armand Traore Injury Groin Strain 2009 October 24th
Theo Walcott Injury MCL Knee Ligament Injury 2009 October 18th
Tomas Rosicky Injury Knee Injury 2009 October 17th
Nicklas Bendtner Injury Inguinal Hernia 2009 October 14th
Gael Clichy Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 October 10th
Vassiriki Diaby Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 October 10th
Theo Walcott Injury Hip/Thigh Injury 2009 October 9th
Eduardo Da Silva Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 October 2nd
Eduardo Da Silva Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 September 30th
Nicklas Bendtner Injury Hip/Thigh Injury 2009 September 26th
Manuel Almunia Injury Virus 2009 September 14th
Robin Van Persie Injury Knee Injury 2009 September 13th
Denilson Injury Back Injury 2009 September 12th
Andrey Arshavin Injury Groin Strain 2009 September 9th
Cesc Fabregas Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 August 22nd
Denilson Injury Groin Strain 2009 August 15th
Vassiriki Diaby Injury Groin Strain 2009 August 12th
Carlos Vela Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 August 12th
Johan Djourou Injury Knee Injury 2009 August 10th
Theo Walcott Injury Back Injury 2009 August 1st
Thomas Vermaelen Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 August 1st
Tomas Rosicky Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 August 1st
Vassiriki Diaby Injury Knee Injury 2009 July 27th
Lukasz Fabianski Injury Cartilage Knee Injury 2009 July 22nd
Samir Nasri Injury Broken Leg 2009 July 20th

Headshot

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Player Injury Date Reported
Tomas Rosicky Injury Groin/Pelvis Injury 2010 March 12th
Bacary Sagna Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 March 9th
Cesc Fabregas Injury Hamstring Injury 2010 March 6th
Denilson Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2010 March 1st
Sol Campbell Injury Groin Strain 2010 March 1st
Aaron Ramsey Injury Broken Leg 2010 February 27th
Vassiriki Diaby Injury MCL Knee Ligament Injury 2010 February 17th
William Gallas Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2010 February 13th
Manuel Almunia Injury Thumb/Wrist Injury 2010 February 13th
Andrey Arshavin Injury Hamstring Injury 2010 February 10th
Samir Nasri Injury Head Injury 2010 February 10th
Alexandre Song Injury MCL Knee Ligament Injury 2010 February 10th
Carlos Vela Injury Knee Injury 2010 February 1st
Sol Campbell Injury Groin Strain 2010 January 31st
Eduardo Da Silva Injury Hamstring Injury 2010 January 27th
Thomas Vermaelen Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2010 January 27th
Vassiriki Diaby Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2010 January 20th
Bacary Sagna Injury Shoulder Injury 2010 January 20th
Fran Merida Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 January 17th
Samir Nasri Injury Hamstring Injury 2010 January 10th
Aaron Ramsey Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2010 January 10th
Denilson Injury Rib Injury 2010 January 9th
Jack Wilshere Injury Hamstring Injury 2010 January 8th
Andrey Arshavin Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 January 1st
Philippe Senderos Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2010 January 1st
Cesc Fabregas Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 28th
Theo Walcott Injury Rib Injury 2009 December 27th
Denilson Injury Back Injury 2009 December 27th
Cesc Fabregas Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 16th
Denilson Injury Back Injury 2009 December 12th
Theo Walcott Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 December 9th
Emmanuel Eboue Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 9th
Tomas Rosicky Injury Groin Strain 2009 December 5th
William Gallas Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 5th
Armand Traore Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 5th
Andrey Arshavin Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 December 5th
Cesc Fabregas Injury Back Injury 2009 December 5th
Eduardo Da Silva Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 December 2nd
Theo Walcott Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 2nd
Bacary Sagna Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 November 29th
William Gallas Injury Swollen Eye 2009 November 24th
Kieran Gibbs Injury Metatarsal Fracture 2009 November 24th
Kieran Gibbs Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 November 17th
Robin Van Persie Injury Sprained Ankle 2009 November 14th
Vassiriki Diaby Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2009 November 7th
Gael Clichy Injury Back Injury 2009 October 31st
Lukasz Fabianski Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 October 28th
Carlos Vela Injury Knee Injury 2009 October 24th
Jack Wilshere Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 October 24th
Armand Traore Injury Groin Strain 2009 October 24th
Theo Walcott Injury MCL Knee Ligament Injury 2009 October 18th
Tomas Rosicky Injury Knee Injury 2009 October 17th
Nicklas Bendtner Injury Inguinal Hernia 2009 October 14th
Gael Clichy Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 October 10th
Vassiriki Diaby Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 October 10th
Theo Walcott Injury Hip/Thigh Injury 2009 October 9th
Eduardo Da Silva Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 October 2nd
Eduardo Da Silva Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 September 30th
Nicklas Bendtner Injury Hip/Thigh Injury 2009 September 26th
Manuel Almunia Injury Virus 2009 September 14th
Robin Van Persie Injury Knee Injury 2009 September 13th
Denilson Injury Back Injury 2009 September 12th
Andrey Arshavin Injury Groin Strain 2009 September 9th
Cesc Fabregas Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 August 22nd
Denilson Injury Groin Strain 2009 August 15th
Vassiriki Diaby Injury Groin Strain 2009 August 12th
Carlos Vela Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 August 12th
Johan Djourou Injury Knee Injury 2009 August 10th
Theo Walcott Injury Back Injury 2009 August 1st
Thomas Vermaelen Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 August 1st
Tomas Rosicky Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 August 1st
Vassiriki Diaby Injury Knee Injury 2009 July 27th
Lukasz Fabianski Injury Cartilage Knee Injury 2009 July 22nd
Samir Nasri Injury Broken Leg 2009 July 20th

i presume that's from physio room ?

that's very unreliable to be fair

davyjose

Frisbee wrote: »

Almunia
Fabianski
Gallas
Silvestre
Clichy
Gibbs
Traore
Sagna
Denilson
Diaby
Fabregas
Ramsey
Rosicky
Arshavin
Nasri
Vela
RVP
Bendtner
Eduardo

Didn't bother including anyone who was missing for less than two weeks.

Arsenal fans are only making half the point - having lots of players isn't strength in depth. Arsenal haven't been top two since '04, as someone said, they have top 4 strength in depth, not Champions strength in depth. Until proven otherwise.
I've never said Arsenal's issues were a lack of depth; I think they don't have a team that can win big tournaments for other reasons, but not depth.

Frisbee

davyjose wrote: »

Arsenal fans are only making half the point -

I'm not trying to make any point here as I think the whole conversation is stupid.

I was just answering Headshots question.

davyjose

Frisbee wrote: »

I'm not trying to make any point here as I think the whole conversation is stupid.

I was just answering Headshots question.

It is stupid, because again Arsenal fans seem to be suggesting they are worse off than any other team because they got injuries. Eh ... welcome to a premier League campaign.

Kirnsy

davyjose wrote: »

It is stupid, because again Arsenal fans seem to be suggesting they are worse off than any other team because they got injuries. Eh ... welcome to a premier League campaign.

No there was a comparison of who had more injured players between Utd and Arsenal. In fairness Arsenal have had a sick amount of injuries compared to other teams in the last few years.

The reason why Arsenal haven't won much is because of an extremely young and inexperienced squad has slowly but surely growing up. There has been a lack of investment due to reduced funds plus selling/ losing a few players along the way...Flamini Hleb Touré etc. Added to that you have the money of Chelsea and the absolute class that was Utd with Tevez Rooney Ronaldo etc which in fairness was too good for us.

Frisbee

Frisbee wrote: »

Almunia
Fabianski
Gallas
Silvestre
Clichy
Gibbs
Traore
Sagna
Denilson
Diaby
Fabregas
Ramsey
Rosicky
Arshavin
Nasri
Vela
RVP
Bendtner
Eduardo

Didn't bother including anyone who was missing for less than two weeks.

Add Djourou and Walcott to that too actually. Djourou has missed the whole season and Walcotts taken part in less than half our games and complete 90 minutes once.

gosplan

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

So are we sure their strength in depth is so much better, really?

No, I'm just highlighting the defences. It's the one area where Chelsea are stronger.

greendom

davyjose wrote: »

It is stupid, because again Arsenal fans seem to be suggesting they are worse off than any other team because they got injuries. Eh ... welcome to a premier League campaign.

Man U can be very thankful that Rooney has hardly missed a game this season

kryogen

greendom wrote: »

Man U can be very thankful that Rooney has hardly missed a game this season

who?

For some reason (since RVF was injured) I always keep thinking that Arsenal will drop away in the title race, usually citing the lack of a top class CF.

Games are running out though and Arsenal are looking stronger each game.

I hope they do it tbh.

It'd show that a club run well, without huge debts can compete with the best. As a pool fan I'm envious of that tbh.

kryogen

arsenal do have a huge loan to be servicing to be fair

they are gathering some serious momentum in the leage alright, my money is on the Brum to frustrate them

greendom

kryogen wrote: »

who?

He's a striker for Man U. Bit of an ugly fecker but he does the business in front of goal

kryogen

greendom wrote: »

He's a striker for Man U. Bit of an ugly fecker but he does the business in front of goal

whoosh

leninbenjamin

kryogen wrote: »

arsenal do have a huge loan to be servicing to be fair

It's been serviced. £100m paid off in a 6 month period. Take that Malcolm Glazer

There's still the bonds on the stadium to be paid off, but that works out at something like £17m per annum, considerably less than the additional revenue the stadium brings in. But the short term loan that was the immediate cause for concern has been practically paid off.

Ush1

greendom wrote: »

He's a striker for Man U. Bit of an ugly fecker but he does the business in front of goal

Does he? 24 goals in 77 games.

greendom

kryogen wrote: »

whoosh

Right back at ya!

orourkeda

SDTimeout wrote: »

Talking with a mate here and it seems he's using the percieved automatic comeback that Arsenal's squad isn't strong enough if they get any injurys. In comparasion to the apparent never ending abundance of talent that Chelsea have. I'm sorry united fans but i don't see anderson or fletcher as depth, let alone owen and diouf. So i want to limit this to just Arsenal vs Chelsea as it's my opinion it will be these two teams contesting the title.
Now in the media we are reminded of how if arsenal get a few injurys they will fall apart. Yet we've had these injurys and we're still in touching distance and i think that if we didn't have these injurys we would be clear of the league by now.

Anyway compare the squads and the " depth " factor. This imo is arsenal's best 11
Almunia, sagna, verm, gallas, clichy, song, fabregas, rosicky, arshavin, rvp, bendtner.

There are major claims for gibbs, denilson, diaby, rosicky, nasri and eduardo to be included in that line up.

Chelsea is cech, bosingwa, terry, carv, cole, essien, lampard, mikel, malouda, drogba, anelka.

claims to be made for joe cole, kalou, ballack, ivanvic, zirkov...

Is it a media myth that arsenal have crap depth. Because we've been missing bendtner rvp gallas cesc and clichy for parts of the season. Yet still within touching distance

An Arsenal fan writing Manchester United out of the title race. I've heard it all now.

Any Liverpool fans think they're still going to win the league

PHB

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Player Injury Date Reported
Big List

I think this list of flawed. First off, its based on club statements, which different clubs have different policies on. Second, number of injuries doesn't reflect the amount of injuries. To get a valid analysis, I think you'd need to

Determine a common First team
Determine the squad

Look at the amount of time a player has been injuried for. Add it all up, so it would look like this:

Man Utd:

First Team weeks of injuries - 12
Squad weeks of injuries - 35

leninbenjamin

PHB wrote: »

I think this list of flawed. First off, its based on club statements, which different clubs have different policies on. Second, number of injuries doesn't reflect the amount of injuries. To get a valid analysis, I think you'd need to

Determine a common First team
Determine the squad

Look at the amount of time a player has been injuried for. Add it all up, so it would look like this:

Man Utd:

First Team weeks of injuries - 12
Squad weeks of injuries - 35

Then would you care to do this? Until someone actually compiles a list better there's no point making those dismissive comments. It's the most accurate point of reference we have. It maybe incorrect in its specifics but it so overwhelmingly points to Arsenal having more than the rest that it's hard to see how it could be so consistently wrong.

It's like people dismissing transferleague.co.uk. Fair enough some of the specifics maybe incorrect, but it's still pretty reflective of how much the teams spend relative to each other.

enfant terrible

me-skywalker wrote: »

See this is why I stay away from the sports forums as you get a pack of pretentious ignorant with little knowledge of the sport of football throwing out their opinions thinking their flawless and unobjectionally correct.

Fair enough stay that way. Start watching more football as a fan of the sport and not as a fan of a team and you'll be very interested in some things you see... or maybe not.

Says the guy who thinks a straight red card is an automatic three match ban.

I think you need to improve your "knowledge of the sport of football"