Vote for Irelands Greatest Person

BraziliaNZ

HalloweenJack wrote: »

BBC do the same the other way around.

Your point?

Do they? Can you give example?

Skid

Nulty wrote: »

I think you gotta consider who the person you would vote for, would vote for.

Yeats would vote for Pearse IMO.

Therefore Pearse deserves the vote. Am I too blinded by logic?

Joe Dolan would vote for Gately, etc.

Woah, woah, back up there a minute.
How did no-one pick up on this comment?


Joe Dolan would vote for Stephen Gately ????
That's a terrible comment, bordering on sacrilege.
I think the great Joe would have had a bit more class than that.

m@cc@

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Do they? Can you give example?

Bob Geldof and Bono were in the greatest Britons list. (Granted, they can have them)

mike65

Here is the "long list" for the BBC poll on same, I spot 4 Irish, two of whom were from the pre home-rule era

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Greatest_Britons

Bono is in it! :eek:

BraziliaNZ

m@cc@ wrote: »

Bob Geldof and Bono were in the greatest Britons list. (Granted, they can have them)

well I can hardly blame them for thinking Geldof is British. Can't explain the Bono thing though, morons.

Grimreaper666

HalloweenJack wrote: »

No Gaybo, a true shame.



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Yeah he could do with the few bob from the sounds of it. Even though he's "retired" the f**kers on the tv and radio now more than ever, it's like groundhog day with him, same sh!te different day!!!

seanybiker

Who the fork is crusty ring? never heard of him.

Grimreaper666

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Still can't get over there being no Briain ó Nualáin.

Who? Never even heard of him.........

sron

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

well I can hardly blame them for thinking Geldof is British. Can't explain the Bono thing though, morons.

Didn't the results of an AH poll result in Bono losing his Irish citizenship?






Perhaps I should stave off the horse tranquillisers.

Biggins

A lot of the names on the list are what I'd call "good characters" in their own way but greatest Irish person?
No, that (for me) would have to be somebody that did something sustantial for the benefit of the state and thus by reflection, for us all.

recylingbin

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Do they? Can you give example?

Cromwell

Grimreaper666

seanybiker wrote: »

Who the fork is crusty ring? never heard of him.

I think he's the clown from the Simpsons or maybe one of the junior ministers with Fianna Failure.....

seanybiker

Biggins wrote: »

A lot of the names on the list are what I'd call "good characters" in their own way but greatest Irish person?
No, that (for me) would have to be somebody that did something sustantial for the benefit of the state and thus by reflection, for us all.

Good for the state. hmmmmmmmmmm Bertie put us in some state?

BraziliaNZ

recylingbin wrote: »

Cromwell

Wasn't Cromwell Richard Harris, or was it the other way around?

HalloweenJack

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Who? Never even heard of him.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flann_O%27Brien
http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/Poetry/FlannOBrien.html

A literary genius trapped in a madman.

"The Workmans Friend"
When things go wrong and will not come right,
Though you do the best you can,
When life looks black as the hour of night -
A pint of plain is your only man.

When money's tight and hard to get
And your horse has also ran,
When all you have is a heap of debt -
A pint of plain is your only man.

When health is bad and your heart feels strange,
And your face is pale and wan,
When doctors say you need a change,
A pint of plain is your only man.

When food is scarce and your larder bare
And no rashers grease your pan,
When hunger grows as your meals are rare -
A pint of plain is your only man.

In time of trouble and lousey strife,
You have still got a darlint plan
You still can turn to a brighter life -
A pint of plain is your only man.

Grimreaper666

There should be only one man on this list, Michael Collins, most of the others wouldn't be worthy of picking dirt from his shoes imho, the majority of the rest of them are a joke.

m@cc@

They would have been better to just have a top 25 rather than padding it out with that shite.

Grimreaper666

HalloweenJack wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flann_O%27Brien
http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/Poetry/FlannOBrien.html

A literary genius trapped in a madman.

"The Workmans Friend"
When things go wrong and will not come right,
Though you do the best you can,
When life looks black as the hour of night -
A pint of plain is your only man.

When money's tight and hard to get
And your horse has also ran,
When all you have is a heap of debt -
A pint of plain is your only man.

When health is bad and your heart feels strange,
And your face is pale and wan,
When doctors say you need a change,
A pint of plain is your only man.

When food is scarce and your larder bare
And no rashers grease your pan,
When hunger grows as your meals are rare -
A pint of plain is your only man.

In time of trouble and lousey strife,
You have still got a darlint plan
You still can turn to a brighter life -
A pint of plain is your only man.

I thought that was from an old Gunniness ad? And you reckon that the author of that is worthy of being Irelands Greatest Person? Some of ye are very easily impressed.............:rolleyes: That old sh!te wrecks my head anyway tbh...

HalloweenJack

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

I thought that was from an old Gunniness ad? And you reckon that the author of that is worthy of being Irelands Greatest Person? Some of ye are very easily impressed.............:rolleyes:

If Louis Walsh can get on the list for force-feeding us manufactured pop and pimping anybody he thinks he can make money out of, then surely someone who has contributed to society with humour and masterful prose should be on that list too.

Grimreaper666

HalloweenJack wrote: »

If Louis Walsh can get on the list for force-feeding us manufactured pop and pimping anybody he thinks he can make money out of, then surely someone who has contributed to society with humour and masterful prose should be on that list too.

Your probably right but it's still only sh!te along with 99% of the rest of the shower there.

thebman

Why did I haev to go through so many screens to vote?

First list of pics was fine then info about the person when you click a pic, then a list of names vertically with no pics or bearing any real relation to the previous page and the vote button.

Irritating.

KevinVonSpiel

Gráinne Ní Mháille or Nina Williams

aDeener

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

There should be only one man on this list, Michael Collins, most of the others wouldn't be worthy of picking dirt from his shoes imho, the majority of the rest of them are a joke.

really? another fella talkin sh!te here.
collins said himself that he would have followed connolly to hell and back

Intothesea

Gráinne Mhaol, Robert Boyle or Collins FTW.

Tar.Aldarion

I'm not on it, ragin'

orourkeda

I dont see your oul one on the list

mike65

Looking back through the Irish and British lists, one has the exponents of big ideas and epic undertakings throughout its recorded history and the other doesn't. Its not often you find the British have a greater apprication of history than the Irish who are supposed to be obsessed by it.

WindSock

HalloweenJack wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flann_O%27Brien
http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/Poetry/FlannOBrien.html

A literary genius trapped in a madman.

"The Workmans Friend"
When things go wrong and will not come right,
Though you do the best you can,
When life looks black as the hour of night -
A pint of plain is your only man.

When money's tight and hard to get
And your horse has also ran,
When all you have is a heap of debt -
A pint of plain is your only man.

When health is bad and your heart feels strange,
And your face is pale and wan,
When doctors say you need a change,
A pint of plain is your only man.

When food is scarce and your larder bare
And no rashers grease your pan,
When hunger grows as your meals are rare -
A pint of plain is your only man.

In time of trouble and lousey strife,
You have still got a darlint plan
You still can turn to a brighter life -
A pint of plain is your only man.

Love that peowm

kiki

What about that great TV personality, singer, past politician

"DUSTIN THE TURKEY"

The poll is discriminates against Turkeys !!

cosmic

This list is a joke. No David Norris?! If it weren't for Norris I doubt Stephen Gately or Louis Walsh (or Joe Dolan?) would be on that there list. Shocking

Liam Byrne

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Well, North America includes Mexico and Canada so whatever point you're trying to make is all over the place

The point I'm trying to make is nowhere near "all over the place", and Mexico and Canada have no bearing on anything that I said, which was that there's no reason to assume that "America's Greatest Person" would have to be from North America.

But let me clarify based on your addition :

1. "USA's Greatest" obviously wouldn't include Mexico & Canada
2. "North America's Greatest" should include those
3. "America's Greatest" should also include Argentina, Brazil, etc, because they are in "South America"

Therefore, my point stands. 100%.

Green Gooner

Liam Byrne wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is nowhere near "all over the place", and Mexico and Canada have no bearing on anything that I said, which was that there's no reason to assume that "America's Greatest Person" would have to be from North America.

But let me clarify based on your addition :

1. "USA's Greatest" obviously wouldn't include Mexico & Canada
2. "North America's Greatest" should include those
3. "America's Greatest" should also include Argentina, Brazil, etc, because they are in "South America"

Therefore, my point stands. 100%.

If you guys read back a few pages I made that point regarding NI.

I read on The Sunday Times that the format in which the list was compiled was asking people on the streets (you'd wonder who they approached!)

What I hope happens is someone like Ronan Keating or Adi Roche would win it to show up what a joke the list is. Therefor, it wont have any credibility.

Ash.J.Williams

Green Gooner wrote: »

If you guys read back a few pages I made that point regarding NI.

I read on The Sunday Times that the format in which the list was compiled was asking people on the streets (you'd wonder who they approached!)

What I hope happens is someone like Ronan Keating or Adi Roche would win it to show up what a joke the list is. Therefor, it wont have any credibility.

If keating wins, joke or otherwise i'l nail my dick to the Spire

Green Gooner

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

If keating wins, joke or otherwise i'l nail my dick to the Spire

I agree it's unlikely. I don't think he even deserves to be on the list never mind win it but to show the list up for the joke it is I hope some like him wins it

dvpower

cosmic wrote: »

This list is a joke. No David Norris?! If it weren't for Norris I doubt Stephen Gately or Louis Walsh (or Joe Dolan?) would be on that there list. Shocking

I think serving polititians were excluded from the list and Norris is running for the presidency.

The final 5 will be the subject of a Late Late Show where each will have an advocate making their case. If Norris got through to the final, RTE were afraid that the Broadcasting Act would mean that they couldn't give him the attention without doing the same for the other candidates. Balance and all that.

Iwasfrozen

Cosmic wrote:

This list is a joke.

Hardly a joke, I was stuck between Daniel O'Connell and Charles Stewart Parnell. Two great Irishmen who both deserve to win.

In the end I voted for Charles Stewart Parnell.

For Forks Sake

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Hardly a joke, I was stuck between Daniel O'Connell and James Stewart Parnell. Two great Irishmen who both deserve to win.

In the end I voted for James Stewart Parnell.

Charles Stewart Parnell surely?

Iwasfrozen

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Charles Stewart Parnell surely?

oops.

ronanlyons

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Someone earlier said Arthur Wellesley (1st Duke of Wellington). Technically he would qualify as an Irishman and was one hell of a heavy hitter internationally. Plus he hated the Irish as much as he did Napoleon. Always give the prize to someone who wouldn't want it.:rolleyes:

Perhaps worth reading your history - he didn't hate the Irish at all. In fact, little known fact on this island because it's not historically convenient, but he was responsible for the emancipation of the Catholics. In his eloquent speech on the subject (for which he sacrificed a lot politically), he referred to the Irish Catholics he had fought with over his career as the best and most loyal fighters in the UK army.

Paparazzo

kiki wrote: »

What about that great TV personality, singer, past politician

"DUSTIN THE TURKEY"

The poll is discriminates against Turkeys !!

I think they knew if Dustin was on it, the poll would be hijacked and he'd end up winning

Son Of A Vidic

Great? how do you define this? I'd start by suggesting that if there was an Irish person who could drag this nation, outta the $hite it now finds itself in.
Well that for me would meet the criteria for sure.

Mister men

Paul Mc Shane

yer man

I think the process of creating the short list is all wrong. The short list is an opportunity to allow us to exam who we are and who has shaped our lives and identity in the past, present and future.

I see 14 people listed that have no place on the list (Ronan Keating, Louis Walsh, Joe Dolan, Daniel O'Donnell, Roy Keane etc) and devalue the process and title of greatest irish person. In addition there are so many amazing irish people missing e.g. Countess Markievicz, Harry Ferguson, Dunlop, Samuel Beckett, George Bernard Shaw, Jonathan Swift, St.Brendan, St. Patrick, Grainne O'Malley I could go on.

Given that RTE have done a very poor job on this we should limit voting to the real turkeys they put forward as a protest. Any top 5 or 10 with Joe Dolan and louis Walsh will have no credibility and send the message that we value the title of Greatest Irish Person. RTE cannot take ownership of it unless they do so responsibily and credibly - they haven't so vote for the duffers and only the duffers!!

phasers

I voted for Louis Walsh :cool:

Ash.J.Williams

Unfortunately the idea of voting for a turkey in protest would backfire as Ireland being a country of muppets lately would take it a face value.

Phillo for the win!

cosmic

cosmic wrote: »

This list is a joke

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Hardly a joke

Yes, a joke. Ok, so there are some decent people included, I voted for Yeats myself. But the inclusion of people like Ronan Keating, Louis Walsh and Micheal O'Leary make it a joke in my opinion. They might as well have stick Biran Dowling, or Bosco, on there while they were at it.

savagecabage

i havnt looked through the whole thread so maybe this link is posted here already
http://marymulvihill.net/2010/03/22/no-scientists-on-rtes-greatest-irish-shortlist/

it seems strange that not one of these names are on the RTE list but Louis Walsh is? what has he ever done for Ireland? have i missed a meeting? maybe this is RTE just having a bit of a laugh and i shouldnt be taking it that serious...

fryup

Bob Geldof

minidazzler

They actually put gately on that list? FFS, I never even heard of him raising money for charity or anything, at least the plonker Ronan Keating did something...Gately just died.

Bigdeadlydave

bette wrote: »

Greatest Irishmen? Well rock stars and boys band warblers do not come into this category!

There are only three decent candidates who are:

Collins
Lemass
Pearse

The rest are not great men. They are entertainers and the odd failed politician!

What about Wolfe Tone?