Garda to begin 'withdrawal of goodwill'

Fuhrer

Flamed Diving wrote: »

If you are going to call me a liar, you may as well say it.

The risk of catching HIV from spit is massively low


The risk of catching HIV from a needle is much higher, some occupations deal with junkies and needles a lot more the guards do.

deise blue

Fuhrer wrote: »

The risk of catching HIV from spit is massively low


The risk of catching HIV from a needle is much higher, some occupations deal with junkies and needles a lot more the guards do.

So low that if you were a Garda you would be willing to take the risk ?

Smells like bull**** to me !

Fuhrer

deise blue wrote: »

So low that if you were a Garda you would be willing to take the risk ?

Smells like bull**** to me !

Are you simple?


He said because of the risk of catching HIV the Guards was the most difficult job, I said the risk for catching HIV is much higher in other jobs.


Smells like stupid!

neilthefunkeone

Explain me this..

When does a member of the guards need to use a personal laptop?? When they are walking up and down o'connel street?? dont think so...
Rolling around in their cars? doubt it.. At checkpoints? not a chance..

Mobile phones?? Dont they have radios?? Very good radios at that!! Why would they need a mobile.. Not for ordering their dinner.. Friend is in the business of radios/receivers.. have listened in on occasion... I can tell you what the local super's chipper order is!!!

Camers i can give them that.. they may need to take pics of an assaulted victim/accused.. broken into car etc..
But anytime guards have been up to my house for a broken into car or arrest a shoplifter in work they have never produced a camera for anything!!!!

So i can only assume the disruption on these 3 things is not going to be hugely significant... But if someone can prove me wrong on these points ill happily listen!!

Fuhrer

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

Explain me this..

When does a member of the guards need to use a personal laptop?? When they are walking up and down o'connel street?? dont think so...
Rolling around in their cars? doubt it.. At checkpoints? not a chance..

Mobile phones?? Dont they have radios?? Very good radios at that!! Why would they need a mobile.. Not for ordering their dinner.. Friend is in the business of radios/receivers.. have listened in on occasion... I can tell you what the local super's chipper order is!!!

Camers i can give them that.. they may need to take pics of an assaulted victim/accused.. broken into car etc..
But anytime guards have been up to my house for a broken into car or arrest a shoplifter in work they have never produced a camera for anything!!!!

So i can only assume the disruption on these 3 things is not going to be hugely significant... But if someone can prove me wrong on these points ill happily listen!!

Obviously they have stuff issued to them like computers and cameras but most of it is old, broken and already in use.

They use their own stuff to get the job down quicker.

pah

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

Explain me this..

When does a member of the guards need to use a personal laptop?? When they are walking up and down o'connel street?? dont think so...
Rolling around in their cars? doubt it.. At checkpoints? not a chance..

Mobile phones?? Dont they have radios?? Very good radios at that!! Why would they need a mobile.. Not for ordering their dinner.. Friend is in the business of radios/receivers.. have listened in on occasion... I can tell you what the local super's chipper order is!!!

Camers i can give them that.. they may need to take pics of an assaulted victim/accused.. broken into car etc..
But anytime guards have been up to my house for a broken into car or arrest a shoplifter in work they have never produced a camera for anything!!!!

So i can only assume the disruption on these 3 things is not going to be hugely significant... But if someone can prove me wrong on these points ill happily listen!!

personal laptops needed to be used as the level of facilities available for preparing investigation files is poor in some stations.

The new radio system being implemented now is good the one thats been around for donkeys is not.

This won't have a huge effect on the public more so in an internal capacity

Flamed Diving

Fuhrer wrote: »

The risk of catching HIV from spit is massively low


The risk of catching HIV from a needle is much higher, some occupations deal with junkies and needles a lot more the guards do.

It's low, but not massively low. The HIV virus dies on contact with oxygen and/or lower than body temperature. However, if the virus can cocoon within the spitball, then transfer is possible. But let's concede the point to you anyway. All of it is bull****. It still remains a job where people are spitting blood at you.

Delightful. Where do I sign up?

Fuhrer

Flamed Diving wrote: »

It's low, but not massively low. The HIV virus dies on contact with oxygen and/or lower than body temperature. However, if the virus can cocoon within the spitball, then transfer is possible. But let's concede the point to you anyway. All of it is bull****. It still remains a job where people are spitting blood at you.

Delightful. Where do I sign up?

Also, given that friends and my dad were Guards and have never had blood spat at them, I call bull**** again!

But lets not let that get in the way of your Drama!

neilthefunkeone

pah wrote: »

personal laptops needed to be used as the level of facilities available for preparing investigation files is poor in some stations.

The new radio system being implemented now is good the one thats been around for donkeys is not.

This won't have a huge effect on the public more so in an internal capacity

Ok fair point..

I know its not the easiest of jobs at times im sure...

Flamed Diving

Fuhrer wrote: »

Also, given that friends and my dad were Guards and have never had blood spat at them, I call bull**** again!

But lets not let that get in the way of your Drama!

Ok, Fuhrer. I won't....

Fuhrer

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Ok, Fuhrer. I won't....

See that you dont...

Dannyboy83

pah wrote: »

personal laptops needed to be used as the level of facilities available for preparing investigation files is poor in some stations.

The new radio system being implemented now is good the one thats been around for donkeys is not.

This won't have a huge effect on the public more so in an internal capacity

I'm suprised tbh.

I have relatives working in the HSE and they are not allowed to even use a personal USB key.
Its better to waste the day drinking tea, than to use a personal USB key.
This is standard procedure.
You can get in major sh1t for ignoring it.

L5

Fuhrer wrote: »

Also, given that friends and my dad were Guards and have never had blood spat at them, I call bull**** again!

But lets not let that get in the way of your Drama!

depends where your stationed if youll see that happening. Outside Dublin, probably not. City centre Dublin, you might see it once a week or more. Ive seen it more times than I care to remember.

anymore

kbannon wrote: »

How in your view are their cocks in the taxpayers arses?
In fairness, they may be paid relatively well once they have completed training. However, would you volunteer to do the crappy jobs they do? Would you be as tactful telling a family that a member of their family was killed, etc.?

Tactful ? Tell that to the Mc Brearty family

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mcbrearty-sets-sights-on-donegal-dail-seat-2051129.html

pah

anymore wrote: »

Tactful ? Tell that to the Mc Brearty family

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mcbrearty-sets-sights-on-donegal-dail-seat-2051129.html

you've got too much tar on your brush there

MagicSean

anymore wrote: »

Tactful ? Tell that to the Mc Brearty family

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mcbrearty-sets-sights-on-donegal-dail-seat-2051129.html

I was of the impression that all involved were disciplined and a whole new reform of the garda informant system was brought about since that incident thanks to one of the tribunals. Don't see the point in dragging something like that up. Might as well blame a British soldier for their colleagues actions in 1916.

In relation to the blood thing. It happens more regular than you would think. I know four Gardaí who have been spit on or bitten. And HiV is only the most serious. There are many other diseases such as hep C. And it is not unusual to find needles on people so spit isnt the only thing to worry about.

targus

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Maybe he is?!

I wouldnt think so.. If you read his quotes he is obviously a bitter private sector worker with a gripe towards public servants. He is looking for a reaction so I wouldnt entertain getting involved in his narrow minded, mis-informed opinions.

As with all, I'm sure the opportunity was there for him to apply for a public sector job in the past. Like many others, he obviously passed up on the opportunity as public servants have been seen as poorly paid relative to the private sector during the boom years. Now with jobs in the private sector dried up he feels its fair game to 'have a go' at public servants.

However having viewed his previous posts and his choice of language its debatable whether a position in the public service could be found which would be suitable for his talents.

bamboozle

kbannon wrote: »

Yes as the Govt don't supply then with enough.
Most probably

Its down to a lack of budget and has been like this for a ong time.

why on earth didnt the garda unions/representatives highlight this instead of increased wages for their members during successive social partnership discussions?

MagicSean

bamboozle wrote: »

why on earth didnt the garda unions highlight this instead of increased wages for their members during successive social partnership discussions?

Gardaí have no unions. Not allowed. They have a lot of prohibitions. Running for political office for one. There's also many jobs they would be suited to take up as a second job, like security, but they are not allowed. I think this is why the G.R.A. want the pay restored. Because Gardaí are very limited in how they can supplement their wage.

bamboozle

k_mac wrote: »

Gardaí have no unions. Not allowed. They have a lot of prohibitions. Running for political office for one. There's also many jobs they would be suited to take up as a second job, like security, but they are not allowed. I think this is why the G.R.A. want the pay restored. Because Gardaí are very limited in how they can supplement their wage.

interesting post, i didnt know any of the above. my point still is the same though, why didnt the GRA negotiate improved conditions for its members when this was a land of milk and honey?

not trying to be smart but are gardai allowed supplement their income by coaching inter county football teams?

MagicSean

bamboozle wrote: »

interesting post, i didnt know any of the above. my point still is the same though, why didnt the GRA negotiate improved conditions for its members when this was a land of milk and honey?

not trying to be smart but are gardai allowed supplement their income by coaching inter county football teams?

These things have been raised before but nothing is ever been changed. As far as I know that job is ok.

nesf

Fuhrer wrote: »

Are you simple?


He said because of the risk of catching HIV the Guards was the most difficult job, I said the risk for catching HIV is much higher in other jobs.


Smells like stupid!

Banned for a week for trolling.

irishh_bob

targus wrote: »

I wouldnt think so.. If you read his quotes he is obviously a bitter private sector worker with a gripe towards public servants. He is looking for a reaction so I wouldnt entertain getting involved in his narrow minded, mis-informed opinions.

As with all, I'm sure the opportunity was there for him to apply for a public sector job in the past. Like many others, he obviously passed up on the opportunity as public servants have been seen as poorly paid relative to the private sector during the boom years. Now with jobs in the private sector dried up he feels its fair game to 'have a go' at public servants.

However having viewed his previous posts and his choice of language its debatable whether a position in the public service could be found which would be suitable for his talents.

the public sector were better paid than the private sector right throughout the boom , the opposing arguement rests on one fact , the super rich ( developers , bankers ) were all in the private sector

irishh_bob

k_mac wrote: »

Gardaí have no unions. Not allowed. They have a lot of prohibitions. Running for political office for one. There's also many jobs they would be suited to take up as a second job, like security, but they are not allowed. I think this is why the G.R.A. want the pay restored. Because Gardaí are very limited in how they can supplement their wage.

lmfao , have you never heard of the phenomenon of the jobbing cop , many guards woked in construction during the boom and in the case of the recentley retired copper in my local small town , long before the boom , the seargeant ( in the local town ) who retired about five years ago was straight into a job as a labourer on sites , through a long established network , guards have always always had options in terms of employment after retirement

markpb

irishh_bob wrote: »

guards have always always had options in terms of employment after retirement

That's not what k_mac said - he said it was illegal for Gardai to have a second job *while serving with* AGS. If you think a guard is breaking the law, feel free to report them.

MagicSean

markpb wrote: »

That's not what k_mac said - he said it was illegal for Gardai to have a second job *while serving with* AGS. If you think a guard is breaking the law, feel free to report them.

It depends on the job. What Irish_bob said is correct. A garda with a trade can work in that trade for the most part. But most gardaí dont have a trade. A lot go in straight from school or college.

TheNog

Fuhrer wrote: »

Anyone smell that?


Smells like bull...

Actually its not BS. Policing has taken a turn for the worse since your Dad and friends were in the job.

Fuhrer wrote: »

The risk of catching HIV from spit is massively low


The risk of catching HIV from a needle is much higher, some occupations deal with junkies and needles a lot more the guards do.

The risk is extremely small but there is still the risk. AGS would not tolerate any Garda who does not take measures to reduce that risk even further by taking medication. Also by taking the medication requires the member to take time off work becuase it knocks the **** outta you.

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

Explain me this..

When does a member of the guards need to use a personal laptop?? When they are walking up and down o'connel street?? dont think so...
Rolling around in their cars? doubt it.. At checkpoints? not a chance..

Mobile phones?? Dont they have radios?? Very good radios at that!! Why would they need a mobile.. Not for ordering their dinner.. Friend is in the business of radios/receivers.. have listened in on occasion... I can tell you what the local super's chipper order is!!!

Camers i can give them that.. they may need to take pics of an assaulted victim/accused.. broken into car etc..
But anytime guards have been up to my house for a broken into car or arrest a shoplifter in work they have never produced a camera for anything!!!!

So i can only assume the disruption on these 3 things is not going to be hugely significant... But if someone can prove me wrong on these points ill happily listen!!

Laptops were used to do up investigation files.

Phones were used to pass on confidential information because the old radio system could easily be eavesdropped.

Fuhrer wrote: »

Obviously they have stuff issued to them like computers and cameras but most of it is old, broken and already in use.

They use their own stuff to get the job down quicker.

Laptops and cameras were never personal issue. Instead one or two computers would be used for files but this computer would have to be shared by many Gardai.

TheNog

bamboozle wrote: »

interesting post, i didnt know any of the above. my point still is the same though, why didnt the GRA negotiate improved conditions for its members when this was a land of milk and honey?

It has taken 10/11 years of campaigning to get a secure radio system. It has taken many stabbings and shots fired at Gardai to get stab vests. Back in 1999 I think, it took two fatalities of Gardai in north dublin to get a proper modern fleet with airbags and abs.

The GRA are a representative group only and therefore legally dont hold as much power as a union. This is reflected in current times where the Government will hold talks with public services unions but the GRA are not allowed to attend.

Stark

Flamed Diving wrote: »

It's low, but not massively low. The HIV virus dies on contact with oxygen and/or lower than body temperature. However, if the virus can cocoon within the spitball, then transfer is possible. But let's concede the point to you anyway. All of it is bull****. It still remains a job where people are spitting blood at you.

Delightful. Where do I sign up?

The spit would also have to land directly into an open cut for there to be any chance of transmission.

In any case, face masks would be a cheaper solution than an indefinite "danger premium".

pah

Stark wrote: »

The spit would also have to land directly into an open cut for there to be any chance of transmission.

In any case, face masks would be a cheaper solution than an indefinite "danger premium".

Why not call it an "abuse premium" :rolleyes:

Sure you're ok if you don't have any open wounds, let them spit away at you sure tis part of your job isn't it? That's why you get paid SO much money