New Import Duty/VAT Thread. Read Post #1 for Rules Updated 10/9/2024

whiterebel

Care to tell us what they have done, so it may be of use to someone in the future?

ED E

Item was 100 USD all in. Used off ebay. Retail price new is 150-170USD. They valued it at 400USD, maybe, but charged VAT on 200USD but the invoice from them isnt even complete. "Value: " etc.

I'd give them some leeway if I got a particularly good deal and they could claim OMSV but really if anything the OMSV is less than I paid.

irishchris

Guys would love some help here working this out please. Ordered a phone for 670 euro and 9.27 delivery with DHL which is coming from gearbest in China. What would the expected today if charges including vat and customs be on this? Getting worried now may be very expensive!

Suckit

irishchris wrote: »

Guys would love some help here working this out please. Ordered a phone for 670 euro and 9.27 delivery with DHL which is coming from gearbest in China. What would the expected today if charges including vat and customs be on this? Getting worried now may be very expensive!

If you ordered EU Priority, Gearbest have a way of avoiding customs (doubt that will be working for much longer when things start to recover).
They will do everything in their power to avoid honouring the warranty... Be aware of that when deciding to pay the extra. There are plenty of people on these forums that won't use them (myself included).

https://www.calculatevat.net/
If it does get stopped, expect to pay €156.23 + €15 DHL handling (€171.23) at the door. DHL may have dropped their handling fees to €12.50.

irishchris

Suckit wrote: »

If you ordered EU Priority, Gearbest have a way of avoiding customs (doubt that will be working for much longer when things start to recover).
They will do everything in their power to avoid honouring the warranty... Be aware of that when deciding to pay the extra. There are plenty of people on these forums that won't use them (myself included).

https://www.calculatevat.net/
If it does get stopped, expect to pay €156.23 + €15 DHL handling (€171.23) at the door. DHL may have dropped their handling fees to €12.50.

Cheers for the info, I would prob attempt to cancel order now but would they honor the refund and how long I would be left waiting worries me.
This is the shipping info. I picked the most expensive of the three options. Would this be EU priority?

Shipping Method
HKDHLYD
Estimated Shipping Time
4-10 business days

Suckit

irishchris wrote: »

Cheers for the info, I would prob attempt to cancel order now but would they honor the refund and how long I would be left waiting worries me.
This is the shipping info. I picked the most expensive of the three options. Would this be EU priority?

Shipping Method
HKDHLYD
Estimated Shipping Time
4-10 business days

I haven't used them in over 4 years, but I am pretty sure that the priority shipping is called priority.
DHL are less likely to avoid customs and far more likely to make sure you pay it, unless it is included in the price.
Add to that, Gearbest almost always have codes going around to discoiunt the price, the main prices on the site are usually to make the discount look better or if there is a demand for the items.
I would consider cancelling, if they refuse call your bank and refuse the item from DHL.
Unless the price is saving a lot of money going this route.

irishchris

Suckit wrote: »

I haven't used them in over 4 years, but I am pretty sure that the priority shipping is called priority.
DHL are less likely to avoid customs and far more likely to make sure you pay it, unless it is included in the price.
Add to that, Gearbest almost always have codes going around to discoiunt the price, the main prices on the site are usually to make the discount look better or if there is a demand for the items.
I would consider cancelling, if they refuse call your bank and refuse the item from DHL.
Unless the price is saving a lot of money going this route.

Contacted them on messenger today and they supposedly cancelled the order but yet still shows active. Said it can take up until two weeks to process the refund and longer to get back to bank. Joke of a company! Can see this being a struggle to get money back

Suckit

irishchris wrote: »

Contacted them on messenger today and they supposedly cancelled the order but yet still shows active. Said it can take up until two weeks to process the refund and longer to get back to bank. Joke of a company! Can see this being a struggle to get money back

I think the 2 weeks would be to cover themselves and would seriously hope to get it back sooner. But genuinely think you are better off not buying from them, especially if it's over €10.
They are often the cheapest but peace of mind goes a long way when spending that much.

You may also find the phone on amazon for a similar price. Banggood are also very good with warranty I find, for a Chinese company (that don't legally have to adhere to it), but again, spending that much I might prefer to use a site that is bound by EU law.

irishchris

Suckit wrote: »

I think the 2 weeks would be to cover themselves and would seriously hope to get it back sooner. But genuinely think you are better off not buying from them, especially if it's over €10.
They are often the cheapest but peace of mind goes a long way when spending that much.

You may also find the phone on amazon for a similar price. Banggood are also very good with warranty I find, for a Chinese company (that don't legally have to adhere to it), but again, spending that much I might prefer to use a site that is bound by EU law.

Yes should I get the money refunded in time I have a pre-order of the mi 10 from Amazon Spain but need the refund before 20th of this month or lose out on the preorder bundle so need gearbest to hurry up. Cheers for advice on gearbest as thanks to that I chose to pursue asking them on delays and showed them for what they are.

donaghb

As the title says, I've looked several times on TARIC and cannot find this code. Its medical equipment for patient transfers, beds and the like.
Any ideas??
Cheer
D

Suckit

donaghb wrote: »

As the title says, I've looked several times on TARIC and cannot find this code. Its medical equipment for patient transfers, beds and the like.
Any ideas??
Cheer
D

Coult it be here? From 9018 down

https://www.taricsupport.com/nomenclatuur/9000000000.html

Shn99

I purchased an item from wish for €3.65 but on the tracking it says it has gone through customs in ireland? Slightly concerned that i will be landed with a customs charge..anyone have any ideas?
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con747

Shn99 wrote: »

I purchased an item from wish for €3.65 but on the tracking it says it has gone through customs in ireland? Slightly concerned that i will be landed with a customs charge..anyone have any ideas?
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Custom charges don't apply to an item of that value ,If your goods have:

a customs value (including cost, transport, insurance and handling charges) of €22 or less you will not have to pay Customs Duty or VAT
a customs value of more than €22 you will have to pay VAT
an intrinsic value (the value of the goods alone excluding transport, insurance and handling charges) of more than €150 you will have to pay Customs Duty.
These limits are for the whole delivery, not just one item. You must pay the above duties where applicable, and VAT on alcohol or tobacco products, perfumes or toilet waters, regardless of their value.

If the VAT payable is €6 or less it will not be collected https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/buying-of-goods-online-for-personal-use/buying-goods-from-outside-the-eu.aspx#:~:text=If%20you%20buy%20goods%20from,Customs%20Duty&text=Countervailing%20Duty,-Added%20Tax%20(VAT).

Somedaythefire

Probably a silly question, but if I order from the US through AddressPal I pay 26 euro for handling and shipping to An Post. Is this 26 euro included in the calculation of VAT?

whiterebel

Somedaythefire wrote: »

Probably a silly question, but if I order from the US through AddressPal I pay 26 euro for handling and shipping to An Post. Is this 26 euro included in the calculation of VAT?

It should be. There is also a €10 fee for customs clearance.

Somedaythefire

whiterebel wrote: »

It should be. There is also a €10 fee for customs clearance.

Thanks. I included the 10 clearance fee into the 26 euro in my question.

whiterebel

Somedaythefire wrote: »

Thanks. I included the 10 clearance fee into the 26 euro in my question.

Then its just the €16.99

Somedaythefire

whiterebel wrote: »

Then its just the €16.99

Thank you!

Calibos

I'm lost with that calc at the beginning of the thread. Does anyone know if there is duty and how much vat would be payable on an electric projection screen shipped from alibaba in China that will cost €1251 (that price includes €396 for shipping via DHL Express)

styron

Calibos wrote: »

I'm lost with that calc at the beginning of the thread. Does anyone know if there is duty and how much vat would be payable on an electric projection screen shipped from alibaba in China that will cost €1251 (that price includes €396 for shipping via DHL Express)

46.29 - Duty should be 3.7% of €1251
298.37 - VAT 23% (€1251 + 46.29)
344.66 *


* (+ DHL Admin: € 14.50 if not included in shipping cost)

tyivpc5qjx0f2b

Hi guys, question regarding duty & customs on an item. My cousin has sent me a Golf Club (Putter) from an obscure US brand as a wedding gift.

The item has a relatively high retail value approx $700 but would not be easy to find a price for online. That price actually includes some extra pieces which aren't included in this package but I may be liable for upon delivery.

I am a little unsure if this qualifies for any exemptions on import at 2nd reduced rate and/or because it is a gift. Clearly not from a retailer.

Additionally not quite sure how import might be calculated on a golf club that a price cannot be found for and includes no invoice.

Any insights you might share on the approximate fees I may be liable for would be very helpful.

Thanks

whiterebel

Thea Fresh Belt wrote: »

Hi guys, question regarding duty & customs on an item. My cousin has sent me a Golf Club (Putter) from an obscure US brand as a wedding gift.

The item has a relatively high retail value approx $700 but would not be easy to find a price for online. That price actually includes some extra pieces which aren't included in this package but I may be liable for upon delivery.

I am a little unsure if this qualifies for any exemptions on import at 2nd reduced rate and/or because it is a gift. Clearly not from a retailer.

Additionally not quite sure how import might be calculated on a golf club that a price cannot be found for and includes no invoice.

Any insights you might share on the approximate fees I may be liable for would be very helpful.

Thanks

Look up the first post in this thread. It won't qualify as a gift, and they will look up the value of the items on line. Look up the taric or tariff code and it will give you the duty amount.

tyivpc5qjx0f2b

whiterebel wrote: »

Look up the first post in this thread. It won't qualify as a gift, and they will look up the value of the items on line. Look up the taric or tariff code and it will give you the duty amount.

Thanks for the response. I read the initial post but knew that prior to asking the question.

My question relates more to the relatively esoteric nature of the brand. Their only presence is quite minimal so coming to a valuation will be difficult.

In light of this, I was curious as to how they might estimate its value given they may not find a price and I cannot provide an invoice.

I appreciate your response, thanks for taking the time.

ohnonotgmail

Thea Fresh Belt wrote: »

Thanks for the response. I read the initial post but knew that prior to asking the question.

My question relates more to the relatively esoteric nature of the brand. Their only presence is quite minimal so coming to a valuation will be difficult.

In light of this, I was curious as to how they might estimate its value given they may not find a price and I cannot provide an invoice.

I appreciate your response, thanks for taking the time.

if they have difficulty coming to a valuation and you cannot provide an invoice then they will make up a value using their best judgement. that value may be higher than you want.

Basq

Bought an album earlier from DeepDiscount

Was $19 + $7.98 shipping so $26.98 / under €23 all in.

Surely unlikely they'll collect on that, right?

Suckit

Basq wrote: »

Bought an album earlier from DeepDiscount

Was $19 + $7.98 shipping so $26.98 / under €23 all in.

Surely unlikely they'll collect on that, right?

They shouldn't. I think €26.05 is the absolute cap after negligible amounts is included.

They will not collect vat on anything up to €6.
The vat on that would be roughly €5.25.

sniper_samurai

Suckit wrote: »

They shouldn't. I think €26.05 is the absolute cap after negligible amounts is included.

They will not collect vat on anything up to €6.
The vat on that would be roughly €5.25.

Doubt it will be caught anyway. Every item I've bought from Deep Discount has been reshipped via Holland.

theguzman

What sort of Customs Duty would be payable on a Spectrum Analyser like this below?

https://www.amazon.com/RF-Explorer-Aluminium-Downloadable-Software/dp/B018WIB3V6/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=23FSJT8K608PK&dchild=1&keywords=spectrum+analyzer+display&qid=1600704825&sprefix=spectrum+analyz%2Caps%2C278&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExUDNYTU02VlFRNjhPJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjk4OTQ2MU5OTlBDVzY3UzUzWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjAzMTQyMTMwVFRQMlBaVVFISSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

That Taric site for searching is absolutely horrendous.

Suckit

theguzman wrote: »

What sort of Customs Duty would be payable on a Spectrum Analyser like this below?

https://www.amazon.com/RF-Explorer-Aluminium-Downloadable-Software/dp/B018WIB3V6/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=23FSJT8K608PK&dchild=1&keywords=spectrum+analyzer+display&qid=1600704825&sprefix=spectrum+analyz%2Caps%2C278&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExUDNYTU02VlFRNjhPJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjk4OTQ2MU5OTlBDVzY3UzUzWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjAzMTQyMTMwVFRQMlBaVVFISSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

That Taric site for searching is absolutely horrendous.

It might be easier to order from the UK, and definitely cheaper.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01D91B80W

https://imgur.com/e86ccb6b-1a94-4227-92b9-a3ddd4c52647

theguzman

Suckit wrote: »

It might be easier to order from the UK, and definitely cheaper.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01D91B80W

[IMG]https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/blob:<a href=https://imgur.com/e86ccb6b-1a94-4227-92b9-a3ddd4c52647 target=_blank>[/img]https://imgur.com/e86ccb6b-1a94-4227-92b9-a3ddd4c52647</a>

That's not what I ordered already and was merely using it as an example, but yes you are right, amazon.co.uk would make much more sense for that particular product.

Suckit

theguzman wrote: »

That's not what I ordered already and was merely using it as an example, but yes you are right, amazon.co.uk would make much more sense for that particular product.

Yeah, sorry I was going to edit and post the duty just in case that was all you needed, and not the product.
I then got sidetracked.
I think amazon cover it all (top right). It seems that they are not using they new (temporary) vat rates since the beginning of september but are including duty I think.
I did try to look it up, but as you mentioned, that site is a pita. It is somewhere around 8500 -8700 I think. Anyway, amazon reckon this would be the final cost.

whiterebel

Pain or not, you will need to find the correct tariff code, because there may be a big difference in duty rates. Whoever does the customs clearance, if you don't use Amazon, will have to go look for it as well. They may come up with something completely different. The supplier may be able to tell you the code

styron

This fool can't see how it can be anything other than 9030 40 ... with 'spectrum analyser' & exclusively 'telecommunications' both on the bingo card



IF the code is correct* US as a third country should mean 0% duty same (currently) as UK

The problem with this, is that Suckit's Amazon example is over $10 more than the 23% VAT on price plus shipping ... unless Estimated Import Fee Deposit includes a handling charge?

* = Disclaimer: treat as the idle speculations of a delusional imbecile

ohnonotgmail

there is always a handling fee for processing the customs charges.

styron

Looks like the abolition of the €22 (ie. €26.06) VAT exemption on imports from outside the EU is coming into force from 1 July next.
Every order will be taxed and presumably subject to An Post €10 admin charge:



revenue.ie

TomOnBoard

There goes the €2.99 value packages from banggood..

:-(

Suckit

styron wrote: »

The problem with this, is that Suckit's Amazon example is over $10 more than the 23% VAT on price plus shipping ... unless Estimated Import Fee Deposit includes a handling charge?

* = Disclaimer: treat as the idle speculations of a delusional imbecile

The VAT is now 21% temporarily. So it is higher. :eek:

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there is always a handling fee for processing the customs charges.

I am not sure on this....
But, IIRC when you pay the VAT up front on amazon then there is no handling charge.


I had noticed that amazon estimated fees deposit seemed high, but I didn't bother to try and calculate it was after 1am. I also didn't bother looking too hard on the TARIC page as the OP had said it was a different item.
But amazon support does say that if you notice discrepancies in their fees/calculated vat etc., that they will refund the difference.
I am not sure if they have changed any of the amazon's vat to 21% for Ireland, but i idn't check.

ED E

styron wrote: »

Looks like the abolition of the €22 (ie. €26.06) VAT exemption on imports from outside the EU is coming into force from 1 July next.
Every order will be taxed and presumably subject to An Post €10 admin charge:



revenue.ie

If this is the case then AliExpress is being regulated out of the country. Pretty ****. I'll pay the tax but the clearance is a rip off. They arent processing two packages per operator per hour (€20 hourly would be plenty for a box ticking job), they're probably doing an order of magnitude more. Creaming it.

andrewfaulk

ED E wrote: »

If this is the case then AliExpress is being regulated out of the country. Pretty ****. I'll pay the tax but the clearance is a rip off. They arent processing two packages per operator per hour (€20 hourly would be plenty for a box ticking job), they're probably doing an order of magnitude more. Creaming it.

Customs clearance is more than a box ticking job..

And you are entitled to file the entry or nominate your own customs broker if you so wish..

rubadub

styron wrote: »

Every order will be taxed and presumably subject to An Post €10 admin charge:

I doubt they will all 100% be collected though. If anything I hoped that 6euro limit would increase at some stage.

Are they reallly going to do a load of paperwork to collect say 10cent in VAT, I know an post get a tenner but I imagine revenue would have higher admin costs than the 10cent they get.

If it happens elsewhere the Chinese sites will get more of those EU warehouses going.

styron

ED E wrote: »

If this is the case then AliExpress is being regulated out of the country. Pretty ****. I'll pay the tax but the clearance is a rip off. They arent processing two packages per operator per hour (€20 hourly would be plenty for a box ticking job), they're probably doing an order of magnitude more. Creaming it.

EU intend 'third country' platforms like Ali, non-EU Amazon, Wish etc. to collect and pay VAT due directly to the respective Revenue of the countries they sell into for (non-excise) goods under €150 from 2021 on.



Forcing them to be tax agents/commissionaires closes the 'negligible exemption' loophole for us and reduces customer tax admin charges < €150 value (ie. An Post & courier revenues). Getting to there will be the likely leveraged July chaos of being " ... payable on all goods entering the EU, irrespective of their value [and] ... of the amount due".

theguzman

I bought a selfie stick from Aliexpress last week, it cost €2.50 but 21% VAT ontop of that would bring the price to €3.02 a 52c increase, not huge on the sort of tat people often order from aliexpress anyway, it would fine to pay this and let it come as VAT paid but the €10 an post collection fee is beyond a joke really.

TomOnBoard

theguzman wrote: »

I bought a selfie stick from Aliexpress last week, it cost €2.50 but 21% VAT ontop of that would bring the price to €3.02 a 52c increase, not huge on the sort of tat people often order from aliexpress anyway, it would fine to pay this and let it come as VAT paid but the €10 an post collection fee is beyond a joke really.

The €10 fee charged by An Post is a Customs Clearance fee.

If this came in via any other Courier, they'd be charging a mnimum of €20 plus any customs duty/VAT.. Aaand if you have more than 5 items in a package, DHL would charge yoylu and additional 5€ clearance fee per item on top...

After July 2021, the couriers will have a field day, aided and abetted by your tax Euros at work in that the Customs service does nothing to protect consumers from such Courier gouging!

Suckit

theguzman wrote: »

I bought a selfie stick from Aliexpress last week, it cost €2.50 but 21% VAT ontop of that would bring the price to €3.02 a 52c increase, not huge on the sort of tat people often order from aliexpress anyway, it would fine to pay this and let it come as VAT paid but the €10 an post collection fee is beyond a joke really.

It likely won't matter as they will all probably set up EU warehouses and rerouting centres.

A load of them already have done.

styron

Suckit wrote: »

It likely won't matter as they will all probably set up EU warehouses and rerouting centres.

A load of them already have done.

Driven by higher value tech (eg. phones, drones TV boxes) with impatient wait time down to around a week, eliminating customs admin charge and marginally less VAT than China delivery - if caught. But EU warehouse entail EU postage/courier charges that will make low value items inviable.

Suckit

styron wrote: »

Driven by higher value tech (eg. phones, drones TV boxes) with impatient wait time down to around a week, eliminating customs admin charge and marginally less VAT than China delivery - if caught. But EU warehouse entail EU postage/courier charges that will make low value items inviable.

A lot of the stuff from EU warehouses is already shipped free. Only when the items get bulkier/heavier do they have charges, and even then is is still relatively cheap. Faster shipping is also an option for not much more.
When buying more expensive items, then there is no real difference than how it is now.
I have found a lot of the Chinese stores are already on equal pricing with the likes of amazon anyway for a while now. The difference with amazon for example is to get the free shipping from UK you need to spend over £25.
Some may have the option to pay the vat at checkout, eliminating any handling charges. Which also is available in some places already.

ohnonotgmail

TomOnBoard wrote: »

The €10 fee charged by An Post is a Customs Clearance fee.

If this came in via any other Courier, they'd be charging a mnimum of €20 plus any customs duty/VAT.. Aaand if you have more than 5 items in a package, DHL would charge yoylu and additional 5€ clearance fee per item on top...

After July 2021, the couriers will have a field day, aided and abetted by your tax Euros at work in that the Customs service does nothing to protect consumers from such Courier gouging!

If the items come in precleared there is no need for a customs clearance fee. If amazon can manage it with their global shipping program then the likes of Aliexpress can do the same.

joujoujou

TomOnBoard wrote: »

[...] Aaand if you have more than 5 items in a package, DHL would charge yoylu and additional 5€ clearance fee per item on top...

[...]

Jaysus! :eek:

I am struggling to even think how much would be a clearance fee for a bag of rice!

whiterebel

TomOnBoard wrote: »

The €10 fee charged by An Post is a Customs Clearance fee.

If this came in via any other Courier, they'd be charging a mnimum of €20 plus any customs duty/VAT.. Aaand if you have more than 5 items in a package, DHL would charge yoylu and additional 5€ clearance fee per item on top...

After July 2021, the couriers will have a field day, aided and abetted by your tax Euros at work in that the Customs service does nothing to protect consumers from such Courier gouging!

The other couriers charge €12.50-18.00. And if you have multiple products, they all have to be split, freight distributed, tariff codes located etc. This is an EU requirement as well as National, as the correct tariffs need to be applied, and make sure that the products are allowed entry into the EU. I used to customs clear car parts and we had hundreds of headings for the clearances.
You should see the charge for an import business for clearance, it starts at about 4 times the price of the couriers, for a one heading entry. Just because an Post take the lazy way out with one headers, doesn’t mean its correct. People seem to think that this service should be free for some reason.

rubadub

I am pretty sure there used to be a maximum couriers could charge, think it was €15 at one stage.

An post is €10 minimum, and 1% otherwise and have no maximum stated so I wonder if there is one anymore, or if its based on a %

https://www.anpost.com/customs

A fee of 1% of the value of the packet or parcel, with a minimum charge of €10, is charged by An Post for customs clearance of parcels imported from countries outside the EU. This fee is in addition to any duty or VAT payable.

Though someone was joking about rice I wonder if there is something to stop this, i.e. stop them trying to charge €5 a pop for a parcel with 1000 screws in it which cost €4 in total. If it is per listed item or something then whats to stop them putting several parts into one box and calling it a single kit or something.