New Import Duty/VAT Thread. Read Post #1 for Rules Updated 10/9/2024

blockman

whiterebel wrote: »

Did you look at the first post in this thread?

Its not very clear to me. I am not buying anything I am just receiving a second-hand gift.

blockman

whiterebel wrote: »

"When you import anything from outside the EU, it is subject to VAT and possibly duty, if it exceeds the limits. Limit for duty is €150, limit for VAT is €22 for purchases and €45 for a gift. If you buy it, it is NOT a gift. A gift is something someone sends you as a present. If you buy it as a present for someone else, that is not a gift."

Its a gift and valued at over €45, and is therefore liable to VAT + charges.

Ok Thanks.

They can keep their gifts as I don't want to have to pay for my own present.

The_Conductor

spix wrote: »

It specifically says there is no duty being charged.
Just Vat of 22.31 which is 23.9% vat on total customs value of 93.32 (which is already too high) total customs value should've been 72.30.

Its not just the customs or total value of the item- you also, believe it or not, get to pay VAT on all shipping charges too......... Don't blame An Post- thats at Revenue's door.

MOH

The_Conductor wrote: »

Its not just the customs or total value of the item- you also, believe it or not, get to pay VAT on all shipping charges too......... Don't blame An Post- thats at Revenue's door.

That's been pretty standard for years though.

It's to stop people dodging VAT by charging e.g. €1 for the item and €49 quid delivery charges so the recipient would only pay VAT on the €1 instead of on €50

The_Conductor

MOH wrote: »

That's been pretty standard for years though.

It's to stop people dodging VAT by charging e.g. €1 for the item and €49 quid delivery charges so the recipient would only pay VAT on the €1 instead of on €50

Indeed.
However, you're already paying VAT on the shipping- so you're paying tax on a tax- which is also a determinant as to whether you hit a threshold to pay yet another tax (eg. Customs @ 150 Euro).

Its a whole series of dominoes.

RCSATELLITES

The_Conductor wrote: »

Indeed.
However, you're already paying VAT on the shipping- so you're paying tax on a tax- which is also a determinant as to whether you hit a threshold to pay yet another tax (eg. Customs @ 150 Euro).

Its a whole series of dominoes.

Here's a question if you are buying an item and getting it vat free of UK vat. Do you not get the shipping price vat free aswell?

The_Conductor

RCSATELLITES wrote: »

Here's a question if you are buying an item and getting it vat free of UK vat. Do you not get the shipping price vat free aswell?

I'm honestly not sure. I'll defer to someone with better knowledge.

whiterebel

Mod - brought these over from AddressPal thread as they are more suited here.

whiterebel

The_Conductor wrote: »

Indeed.
However, you're already paying VAT on the shipping- so you're paying tax on a tax- which is also a determinant as to whether you hit a threshold to pay yet another tax (eg. Customs @ 150 Euro).

Its a whole series of dominoes.

I can't be entirely certain, and I'll check it out when I get a chance, but I don't think there's VAT on movements to/from outside the EU.
I know DHL and FedEx don't charge VAT on movements from the US, and neither do UPS. Strangely enough, UPS charge VAT one the Customs clearance, which I think is incorrect, personally.

I'll let you know when I can check it out.

Purple Papillon

Was there something in the deal struck before Christmas, about the origin of goods and if UK origin vat or customs isn't applied. I think I saw that somewhere but I can't find much information about it online.

Currently waiting on a package from the UK. About 38 pounds worth including the postage so about 44 or 45 euro. Its from etsy and an English crafter so the goods definitely of UK origin.

Will charges be applied to this when it comes?

Ogham

Purple Papillon wrote: »

Was there something in the deal struck before Christmas, about the origin of goods and if UK origin vat or customs isn't applied. I think I saw that somewhere but I can't find much information about it online.

Currently waiting on a package from the UK. About 38 pounds worth including the postage so about 44 or 45 euro. Its from etsy and an English crafter so the goods definitely of UK origin.

Will charges be applied to this when it comes?

Etsy will not have charged the Irish VAT - so that will have to be paid(21% of 45) plus a handling fee (at least €3.50).
No duty .

Ogham

andrew1977 wrote: »

Thanks a lot for your help, the hats are sent registered/signed for by Royal Mail UK and delivered by An Post in Ireland.

So her costs will be the VAT Ireland amount and the €3.50 handling (once An post deliver ) ?

Yes

Purple Papillon

Ogham wrote: »

Etsy will not have charged the Irish VAT - so that will have to be paid(21% of 45) plus a handling fee (at least €3.50).
No duty .

Thanks for the reply. Disappointed in the new charges from shopping from the UK. Did the calculations and it's not a lot but its still disappointing.

I thought there was something on items of UK origin but I probably got that wrong.

I was told something else from a contact that there's some sort of a grace period til the end of March for personal shoppers/people. I'm not a business by the way.

Duty is for higher priced items. Brexit is mess and a headache.

whiterebel

Purple Papillon wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. Disappointed in the new charges from shopping from the UK. Did the calculations and it's not a lot but its still disappointing.

I thought there was something on items of UK origin but I probably got that wrong.

I was told something else from a contact that there's some sort of a grace period til the end of March for personal shoppers/people. I'm not a business by the way.

Duty is for higher priced items. Brexit is mess and a headache.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058146415

tedpan

Just got the dreaded email from revenue/customs last night.

I purchased some shoes at Christmas for £130, but with the current crisis, the package got delayed. Anyway, see the charges below.

They valued the shoes at €193.92
Import duty €23.27
VAT €45.69
An Post Fee €3.50

It will be a long time until I buy from the UK again! I've sent them a mail with the receipt, so maybe they will update the charges based on that. I'll let you know if I get a response, otherwise I'll be paying the the fees tomorrow.

Joziburg

tedpan wrote: »

Just got the dreaded email from revenue/customs last night.

I purchased some shoes at Christmas for £130, but with the current crisis, the package got delayed. Anyway, see the charges below.

They valued the shoes at €193.92
Import duty €23.27
VAT €45.69
An Post Fee €3.50

It will be a long time until I buy from the UK again! I've sent them a mail with the receipt, so maybe they will update the charges based on that. I'll let you know if I get a response, otherwise I'll be paying the the fees tomorrow.

How did they work out the value of €193 for £130?!?

spix

Joziburg wrote: »

How did they work out the value of €193 for £130?!?

The vat calculation is wrong as well, just like mine.



193 (This is the total customs value including addresspal postage fee) x 0.21 = 40.72 , not 45.69 same thing happened with my parcel. Even old 23% vat would put it at 44.39.

Edit - Nevermind, if vat is calculated on the duty as well that would put it at 45.609...however someone needs to tell them 60 9 is not the same as 69.

deco72

Hey guys,

I purchased an item from GAP eu and I have been notified that it is due customs payment see below:
Duty/TAX calculation on goods
Total Payment Due: €13.70
Duty: €0.00
Tax (Customs): €7.65
Brokerage Fee: €5.00
VAT on Brokerage Fee: €1.05

Any reason why I would be charged this given it was bought on the EU site not a UK one.

spix

deco72 wrote: »

Hey guys,

I purchased an item from GAP eu and I have been notified that it is due customs payment see below:
Duty/TAX calculation on goods
Total Payment Due: €13.70
Duty: €0.00
Tax (Customs): €7.65
Brokerage Fee: €5.00
VAT on Brokerage Fee: €1.05

Any reason why I would be charged this given it was bought on the EU site not a UK one.

Check the order tracking, did it originate from UK?

Ogham

deco72 wrote: »

Hey guys,

I purchased an item from GAP eu and I have been notified that it is due customs payment see below:
Duty/TAX calculation on goods
Total Payment Due: €13.70
Duty: €0.00
Tax (Customs): €7.65
Brokerage Fee: €5.00
VAT on Brokerage Fee: €1.05

Any reason why I would be charged this given it was bought on the EU site not a UK one.

Gap say they charge correct vat and duty at checkout.
https://www.gap.eu/gap-purchasing-ordering/gap-cs-limitsandtaxes.html
You need to get back on to them , the customs label might have been filled in wrong.
Check your invoice .

spix

Ogham wrote: »

Gap say they charge correct vat and duty at checkout.
https://www.gap.eu/gap-purchasing-ordering/gap-cs-limitsandtaxes.html
You need to get back on to them , the customs label might have been filled in wrong.
Check your invoice .

Same thing with curries recently... they are vat registered in Ireland but people were being charged vat. Definitely do not pay it. Pure incompetence going on here, everyone had a year to prepare for brexit and still couldn't do it right.

deco72

spix wrote: »

Check the order tracking, did it originate from UK?

Yeah looks like it did come from UK. Hermes is the courier (absolutely hate them after issues last year with lost christmas present for daughter).

deco72

Thanks guys yeah I have tried contacting them this morning along with DPD so will see what happens. Thanks for the help.

deco72

So just got word back from GAP and they said its an issue that some carriers are charging that is now resolved for orders going forward. They did not offer reimbursement of the charges but offered €20 discount voucher which I suppose is better than nothing or to refuse the payment for full refund. Question is now whether to refuse to pay or accept the discount code.

Tommyboy87

Received an email from an post regarding customs charges.

Customs Value: € 106.11

Import Duty: € 17.32
Excise Duty: € 0.00
VAT: € 38.15
An Post Fee: € 3.50


Total to be Paid: € 58.97

Can anyone confirm if this is correct for the Import Duty and VAT?

As the value is under €150, I didn't think I had to pay Import Duty and the VAT is calculated at more than 21%.

Thanks

sniper_samurai

Tommyboy87 wrote: »

Received an email from an post regarding customs charges.

Customs Value: € 106.11

Import Duty: € 17.32
Excise Duty: € 0.00
VAT: € 38.15
An Post Fee: € 3.50


Total to be Paid: € 58.97

Can anyone confirm if this is correct for the Import Duty and VAT?

As the value is under €150, I didn't think I had to pay Import Duty and the VAT is calculated at more than 21%.

Thanks

Is it alcohol or tobacco? If I'm not mistaken they are liable for duty regardless of value.

spix

sniper_samurai wrote: »

Is it alcohol or tobacco? If I'm not mistaken they are liable regardless of value.

Clearly not as then it would be under excise duty. Just more incompetence. Do the people doing these calculations have any training at all.

The VAT calcuation is way off as well.
21% of 106.11 + 38.15 = 25.92 not 38.51

Looks like you were charged 31% VAT, guess someone pressed 3 instead of 2 doing the calculation.

Tommyboy87

sniper_samurai wrote: »

Is it alcohol or tobacco? If I'm not mistaken they are liable for duty regardless of value.

No, it is clothes.

RCSATELLITES

Admin Charges if You Have to Pay VAT or Duty on Delivery.
An Post says they charge 1% of the value of the parcel, with a maximum charge of €10. (Used to be minimum of €10 but was altered on Jan 11th). But – it looks like they are charging a flat €3.50 per package.

FEDEX – Charge 2.5% of the Taxes and Duties . Min €15.

DHL Express – Charge 2.5% of the Taxes and Duties . Min €14.50.

Some info

spix

Tommyboy87 wrote: »

No, it is clothes.

100% do not pay, email eCommChargeQuery@anpost.ie

That calculation is a complete joke, I thought mine was bad.
Whoever done that needs to find a new job. Charging duty under 150 euro and charging 31% vat instead of 21%.

ohnonotgmail

Tommyboy87 wrote: »

Received an email from an post regarding customs charges.

Customs Value: € 106.11

Import Duty: € 17.32
Excise Duty: € 0.00
VAT: € 38.15
An Post Fee: € 3.50


Total to be Paid: € 58.97

Can anyone confirm if this is correct for the Import Duty and VAT?

As the value is under €150, I didn't think I had to pay Import Duty and the VAT is calculated at more than 21%.

Thanks

does the 106.11 include the shipping cost?

spix

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

does the 106.11 include the shipping cost?

On mine, the value given there includes shipping costs. Its the total customs value that the calculations are based on. Even if it wasn't, shipping would need to be a ridiculously high number to put it over duty threshold.

Tommyboy87

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

does the 106.11 include the shipping cost?

Yes, the shipping costs are included in the €106.11

whiterebel

Tommyboy87 wrote: »

Received an email from an post regarding customs charges.

Customs Value: € 106.11

Import Duty: € 17.32
Excise Duty: € 0.00
VAT: € 38.15
An Post Fee: € 3.50


Total to be Paid: € 58.97

Can anyone confirm if this is correct for the Import Duty and VAT?

As the value is under €150, I didn't think I had to pay Import Duty and the VAT is calculated at more than 21%.

Thanks

Clothing may have other duties applicable to them, depending on the country of manufacture. There is a range of duties on products such as clothing, tyres etc. The VAT calculation is wrong. You need to pay it and then query it with customs.

whiterebel

Important: it looks like the Minimum collection of €6 is gone. When Value including Fright and insurance is under €22, VAT isn't collected.

foxy_j

Does anyone know what the deal with receiving items from family in the uk?

My sister has a few skincare bits she is hoping to send me over as who knows when it'll be safe for her to come visit as she also vunerable.

Just wondering how they will check and assign value to the items? The full value if they were to lookup the items on the brands websites would be over €150, however between black friday deals etc she spent no where near that amount.

thanks

whiterebel

foxy_j wrote: »

Does anyone know what the deal with receiving items form family in the uk?

My sister has a few skincare bits she is hoping to send me over as who knows when it'll be safe for her to come visit as she also vuberable.

Just wondering how they will check and assign value to the items?

thanks

Check the very first page of this thread, Look for "gift"

foxy_j

tedpan wrote: »

Just got the dreaded email from revenue/customs last night.

I purchased some shoes at Christmas for £130, but with the current crisis, the package got delayed. Anyway, see the charges below.

They valued the shoes at €193.92
Import duty €23.27
VAT €45.69
An Post Fee €3.50

It will be a long time until I buy from the UK again! I've sent them a mail with the receipt, so maybe they will update the charges based on that. I'll let you know if I get a response, otherwise I'll be paying the the fees tomorrow.

Do let us know as I was wondering the same if they calculate the value based on the full value when the item is researched rather than what you paid. Hopefully they will adjust this for you. A lot of companies don't include paper receipts/invoices anymore so this makes it harder.

foxy_j

whiterebel wrote: »

Check the very first page of this thread, Look for "gift"

Thanks a mil I found this thread on the last few pages. Do you know though if you assign €45 value to an item that did only cost that amount or less however say you got it on sale but the full value when researched online is over that will they charge vat then I wonder if they check it?

Thanks

whiterebel

Nobody knows what way customs would evaluate it. Apart from customs

ussjtrunks

Got a package from Amazon this morning seems it was shipped from a mail center in laois didn’t even know amazon had those here

Ogham

whiterebel wrote: »

Clothing may have other duties applicable to them, depending on the country of manufacture. There is a range of duties on products such as clothing, tyres etc. The VAT calculation is wrong. You need to pay it and then query it with customs.

But there is no duty on orders under €150 - so someone has got it completely wrong at customs.

sniper_samurai

ussjtrunks wrote: »

Got a package from Amazon this morning seems it was shipped from a mail center in laois didn’t even know amazon had those here

That's normal. Amazon UK deliver all parcels bound for Ireland to the export point themselves, and then use An Post for the service here.

The return address is a PO box in An Posts central mail centre.

GBX

I'm about to buy a product for £72.94 ( £64.99 + Shipping £7.95 Total).

Would I be right in saying if id end up paying £89.72~ for the total order?

spix

GBX wrote: »

I'm about to buy a product for £72.94 ( £64.99 + Shipping £7.95 Total).

Would I be right in saying if id end up paying £89.72~ for the total order?

It would be wise to assume that customs will overvalue your parcel and you'll end up being asked to pay closer to 100. If it is the difference between ordering and not ordering, eg you could find it cheaper somewhere else, or don't want to have to try hunt down a refund on wrong charges, then buy it somewhere else.

GBX

Thanks Spix - yeah I will factor in higher value. It is something I am buying direct from a UK vendor/manufacturer so its not to be found cheaper anywhere else.

whiterebel

spix wrote: »

It would be wise to assume that customs will overvalue your parcel and you'll end up being asked to pay closer to 100. If it is the difference between ordering and not ordering, eg you could find it cheaper somewhere else, or don't want to have to try hunt down a refund on wrong charges, then buy it somewhere else.

If all exporters included paperwork in the box it would help. It becomes a lottery if the clearance agent has to go trawl through google and try to find information. If an invoice is included Revenue would not usually have a problem operating off it.

Pitythefools

I am looking to by a laptop that seems to only be available in the UK.
It can't be bought here and the european sites only have qwertz or awerty keyboard layouts. Am I correct in saying that there should be no import dutys on computers from the UK and the Amazon Uk price including import fee deposit (Irish VAT) should be the final price? Can't seem to find much information on laptops.
Thanks

ohnonotgmail

Pitythefools wrote: »

I am looking to by a laptop that seems to only be available in the UK.
It can't be bought here and the european sites only have qwertz or awerty keyboard layouts. Am I correct in saying that there should be no import dutys on computers from the UK and the Amazon Uk price including import fee deposit (Irish VAT) should be the final price? Can't seem to find much information on laptops.
Thanks

if you are buying from amazon the price you pay to amazon should be it.

spix

whiterebel wrote: »

If all exporters included paperwork in the box it would help. It becomes a lottery if the clearance agent has to go trawl through google and try to find information. If an invoice is included Revenue would not usually have a problem operating off it.

My parcel has an invoice. Contains 3 items and only 1 was valued correctly. 1 was close but some digits were mixed around. The 3rd item was a completely different number, I think they can change the value at will regardless of invoice if the person doing the calculation thinks it should be higher. There also seems to be a good chance of error with how they are entering numbers and doing vat calculations. Most people wont be coming onto this thread, I can only imagine how many others are unknowingly paying wrong fees because they assumed the calculation given must be correct. I think they must be struggling with the volume and rushing through too fast, whilst also under pressure to not let something go through undervalued, resulting in overvaluing happening more often than it should, and calculation errors.