New Import Duty/VAT Thread. Read Post #1 for Rules Updated 10/9/2024

whiterebel

spix wrote: »

My parcel has an invoice. Contains 3 items and only 1 was valued correctly. 1 was close but some digits were mixed around. The 3rd item was a completely different number, I think they can change the value at will regardless of invoice if the person doing the calculation thinks it should be higher. There also seems to be a good chance of error with how they are entering numbers and doing vat calculations. Most people wont be coming onto this thread, I can only imagine how many others are unknowingly paying wrong fees because they assumed the calculation given must be correct. I think they must be struggling with the volume and rushing through too fast, whilst also under pressure to not let something go through undervalued, resulting in overvaluing happening more often than it should, and calculation errors.

Hit the nail on the head.

Fwarder

Hi all,

unrelated to UK, do we pay any customs fee if we order from Canada (or just tax). I was reading that EU and Canada have some sort of a trade agreement, but I don't have experience with it. I would like to order stuff that is Made in Canada (some woodworking tools). So I was wondering do I just pay 1% to An Post + 21% to Revenue, or is there a customs fee as well involved.

Thanks!

whiterebel

There is no agreement yet. If the value is over €150 it may be subject to Customs Duty, once over €22 it will be subject to VAT @21%;, please a clearance fee. Its a bit unclear at the moment what way An Post are charging, its 1% of the value with a minimum of €10.00 is probably the worst case scenario.

philten

FedEx are charging me 18.15 as a Direct Payment Processing Fee on an item that has an intrinsic value of around 90. Import tax is 18.24.

But 18 euro as a processing fee is pretty extortionate.

Does anyone know how FedEx calculate this?

whiterebel

€15 + VAT. That has been pretty standard with DHL, UPS and FedEx before Brexit. Not the VAT, only UPS seemed to charge that.

philten

Just looked at my order online and I ordered an item on 31st Dec 2020 - paid for it then. Its only getting delivered now along with 18 tax and 18 processing fee. - should I have to pay the customs-processing fee etc?

Fwarder

whiterebel wrote: »

There is no agreement yet. If the value is over €150 it may be subject to Customs Duty, once over €22 it will be subject to VAT @21%, please a clearance fee. Its a bit unclear at the moment what way An Post are charging, its 1% of the value with a minimum of €10.00 is probably the worst case scenario.

Thanks,
I was reading this https://www.fedex.com/en-ie/customs-tools/free-trade-agreements/eu-and-canada.html and though I could order whatever as long as it's made in canada

whiterebel

Sorry I didn’t realise it had come into force. You MAY have no duty, but VAT, charges etc will still apply.

whiterebel

philten wrote: »

Just looked at my order online and I ordered an item on 31st Dec 2020 - paid for it then. Its only getting delivered now along with 18 tax and 18 processing fee. - should I have to pay the customs-processing fee etc?

Yes, it’s about the arrival date into the state, not the purchase date

foxy_j

Mod - <SNIP> Read the charter and the first post in this thread before asking questions like that

foxy_j

foxy_j wrote: »

Mod - <SNIP> Read the charter and the first post in this thread before asking questions like that

Sorry ok, I'll rephrase. Is there vat on items sent from Northern Ireland down to the Republic at the moment?

Thanks

whiterebel

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058146415

MOH

whiterebel wrote: »

There is no agreement yet. If the value is over €150 it may be subject to Customs Duty, once over €22 it will be subject to VAT @21%, please a clearance fee. Its a bit unclear at the moment what way An Post are charging, its 1% of the value with a minimum of €10.00 is probably the worst case scenario.

Think it's actually a maximum of €10 now, it changed a couple of weeks ago?

whiterebel

MOH wrote: »

Think it's actually a maximum of €10 now, it changed a couple of weeks ago?

I'd say its a mistake, but its hard to tell with the way them and revenue are chopping and changing their websites. Probably won't affect many anyway with a value of over €1000.

MOH

Sounds like it's not just customers who are struggling with the whole situation:
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55757931

Sheep Shagger

MOH wrote: »

Sounds like it's not just customers who are struggling with the whole situation:
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55757931

Returns have always been an issue hence Amazon often do returnless refunds on low price items and it's a reason Penny's don't have an online presence (not worth their while given their price points) but the new EU paperwork now just makes kt worse.

corkie

MOH wrote: »

Sounds like it's not just customers who are struggling with the whole situation:
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55757931

I was wondering where to share, but looks like English people are also facing additional charges ordering from the EU.

Brexit: 'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat'

"She was surprised when she then received a text from courier company DPD, containing a link asking her to pay £58 in customs duties, VAT and additional charges for her £180 order.

On top of that, the UPS courier for the second parcel showed up at her door several days later, asking for an extra payment of £82 for her £200 coat.
.....

"I didn't even know when the parcels would be coming - so I sent both back without paying the extra fees and won't be ordering anything from Europe again any time soon," Ellie says."

philten

If uk vat has been included in price for something should I be charged irish vat also? Assume not but just wondering if there is anything I can do about it. Invoice clearly shows uk vat but irish vat also applied by courier.
Thanks
Phil

whiterebel

UK VAT is nothing to do with Irish Customs. You can try claiming it back from the UK.

The_Conductor

philten wrote: »

If uk vat has been included in price for something should I be charged irish vat also? Assume not but just wondering if there is anything I can do about it. Invoice clearly shows uk vat but irish vat also applied by courier.
Thanks
Phil

The seller should not be applying UK VAT- however, the vast majority of UK sellers are not equipped properly to sell into the EU at the moment. As for the courier charging Irish VAT- that is entirely correct (providing the value of the item + carriage exceeds EUR22).

This is why Irish people are abandoning buying from the UK- in favour of France/Germany/Spain etc- the UK is appallingly expensive when you have to pay tax twice over.

Sales from certain platforms (notably Amazon, but also some others) do not have UK VAT associated with them- just Irish VAT- but once you throd off the beaten track, you'll get caught out pretty much every single time.

Avoid ebay like the plague.

Sheep Shagger

The_Conductor wrote: »

The seller should not be applying UK VAT- however, the vast majority of UK sellers are not equipped properly to sell into the EU at the moment. As for the courier charging Irish VAT- that is entirely correct (providing the value of the item + carriage exceeds EUR22).

This is why Irish people are abandoning buying from the UK- in favour of France/Germany/Spain etc- the UK is appallingly expensive when you have to pay tax twice over.

Sales from certain platforms (notably Amazon, but also some others) do not have UK VAT associated with them- just Irish VAT- but once you throd off the beaten track, you'll get caught out pretty much every single time.

Avoid ebay like the plague.

Very good summary.....it must have killed ebay here i assume qs most sellers are Joe Soaps.

philten

The_Conductor wrote: »

The seller should not be applying UK VAT- however, the vast majority of UK sellers are not equipped properly to sell into the EU at the moment. As for the courier charging Irish VAT- that is entirely correct (providing the value of the item + carriage exceeds EUR22).

This is why Irish people are abandoning buying from the UK- in favour of France/Germany/Spain etc- the UK is appallingly expensive when you have to pay tax twice over.

Sales from certain platforms (notably Amazon, but also some others) do not have UK VAT associated with them- just Irish VAT- but once you throd off the beaten track, you'll get caught out pretty much every single time.

Avoid ebay like the plague.

Thanks for that clear summary, its very helpful. FedEx delivered my parcel without looking for payment in advance but better pay it as I'm sure they won't forget about it ha 😛

whiterebel

FedEx always deliver first. The most stupid system ever created, IMHO.

boardz

I got this a text from An Post this evening. I used address pal for an item valued at £15.99 on Amazon which cost €18.07 from my revolut. I presumed from this thread that there would be no charge as the value was under €22. I know that I paid €6.50 to An Post but this was after the item was delivered from Amazon and surely cannot be included in the value? This is a new transaction and I'm sure there is Irish VAT paid on the €6.50? Or am I missing something? Is it that I'm importing it from the Address pal address and that's the transaction that catches the VAT?

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corkie

^^^ By using AP. You ended up paying UK Vat first

Then charged Irish VAT on top of that amount.

AP shipping cost are also included in the calculations.

If you ordered direct, you would have got the item VAT free.

This has been covered to death across threads.

DO NOT USE AP when ordering from Amazon.co.uk at present.

If you look at item again for delivery direct, you would see the item working out cheaper. I assume you have prime, cause you didn't metion amazon transport costs?

boardz

corkie wrote: »

^^^ By using AP. You ended up paying UK Vat first

Then charged Irish VAT on top of that amount.

AP shipping cost are also included in the calculations.

If you ordered direct, you would have got the item VAT free.

This has been covered to death across threads.

DO NOT USE AP when ordering from Amazon.co.uk at present.

If you look at item again for delivery direct, you would see the item working out cheaper. I assume you have prime, cause you didn't metion amazon transport costs?

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Unfortunately the item wasn't available to Ireland. I had canceled my prime last month but when I ordered this I was offered a week of prime of 99p which I opted for used for this order and cancelled. I really didn't think that the AP cost would be included for VAT as it's a separate transaction and I pay VAT on the AP cost. Definitely AP out the window!

Ronan Raver77

Trying to buy some football jerseys off a german website and they don't ship to Ireland!! Messaged them on fb and got this..
"Hi Ronan! Thank you for you message. Unfortunately we can't deliver to Ireland at the moment because of the brexit situation. We are trying to find a solution regarding VAT. It's still unknown when we'll be able to resume our shipping to your country. We are so sorry."

Fwarder

Ronan Raver77 wrote: »

Trying to buy some football jerseys off a german website and they don't ship to Ireland!! Messaged them on fb and got this..
"Hi Ronan! Thank you for you message. Unfortunately we can't deliver to Ireland at the moment because of the brexit situation. We are trying to find a solution regarding VAT. It's still unknown when we'll be able to resume our shipping to your country. We are so sorry."

That was because dhl and ups weren't delivering because of the brexit, however that ban has lifted now. I got parcels last week with both ups and dhl from DE.


P.s. also tell them that you're in the republic, not the kingdom

The_Shuffle

Can anyone help me with this one please? I have tried finding out but just got a bit lost in all the information.

We live in Ireland and haven't been in the UK for ages with no sign of that changing any time soon. My mum wants to send us a small care package (probably by DPD) with just some chocolate/crisps etc that we can't buy over here.

They would be a gift, but she would obviously have to buy them first so what's the deal there? Are we going to get stung on duties & charges now for a few bits of confectionary sent from home?

whiterebel

As per the 1st post in this thread a gift up to €45 value isn’t liable to charges. They probably won’t allow foodstuffs in though. There is strict controls on foodstuff from outside the EU, and Amazon won’t ship them anymore.

sunny2004

Ok, I have tried, God knows how I have tried to work this out, just want to confirm..

Say I purchase an item shipping from China off of Alixpress. Value €20

Anpost seem to deal with all ALIEXPRESS I have bought.

As things stand, I will get charged a handling fee and import duties and taxes right ?

cameramonkey

sunny2004 wrote: »

Ok, I have tried, God knows how I have tried to work this out, just want to confirm..

Say I purchase an item shipping from China off of Alixpress. Value €20

Anpost seem to deal with all ALIEXPRESS I have bought.

As things stand, I will get charged a handling fee and import duties and taxes right ?

no.
a customs value (including cost, transport, insurance and handling charges) of €22 or less you will not have to pay Customs Duty or VAT. so there will be no handling fee for An Post.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/buying-of-goods-online-for-personal-use/buying-goods-from-outside-the-eu.aspx

sunny2004

cameramonkey wrote: »

no.
a customs value (including cost, transport, insurance and handling charges) of €22 or less you will not have to pay Customs Duty or VAT. so there will be no handling fee for An Post.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/buying-of-goods-online-for-personal-use/buying-goods-from-outside-the-eu.aspx

Thank you for the info and your time

The_Conductor

whiterebel wrote: »

As per the 1st post in this thread a gift up to €45 value isn’t liable to charges. They probably won’t allow foodstuffs in though. There is strict controls on foodstuff from outside the EU, and Amazon won’t ship them anymore.

Depends- they're not consistent.

Yesterday from Amazon.co.uk I had a delivery of a couple of catering cards of Manna sardine paste (60 tins), Haribo Colorado (3kg catering box), Katsu curry paste (30 portions) and culinary grade citric acid (2kg) delivered by Amazon.

All of the above were repeat orders.

If I were to try to order these separately today- they'd probably not let me.

No UK VAT charged on order (Irish VAT was).

The_Shuffle

whiterebel wrote: »

As per the 1st post in this thread a gift up to €45 value isn’t liable to charges. They probably won’t allow foodstuffs in though. There is strict controls on foodstuff from outside the EU, and Amazon won’t ship them anymore.

I did read the first post. I suppose my question was not the value per se but what constitutes a gift. I read on one of the pages that if someone had bought something, even as a present, then it isn't a gift.

Either way as long as it doesn't go over €45 it shouldn't matter?

I can't see why confectionary would be a problem? I've bought wacky Kit Kats from Japan before which is most definitely outside the EU and that arrived with no hassle whatsoever. I can't see how UK would suddenly be any different to other non-EU countries?

davetherave

The_Shuffle wrote: »

I did read the first post. I suppose my question was not the value per se but what constitutes a gift. I read on one of the pages that if someone had bought something, even as a present, then it isn't a gift.

Either way as long as it doesn't go over €45 it shouldn't matter?

Auntie Mary who lives in Bristol sends a small present to her nephew John for his Birthday/Confirmation/Graduation whatever who lives in Dublin. That is a gift.

Brian who lives in Kilkenny buys item x online to give to Kate for their Anniversary. That is not a gift.


A gift has no commercial intent, is occasional in nature and has been sent by a private individual outside the Union, to a private individual inside the Union. If you buy it, it is NOT a gift. A gift is something someone sends you as a present. If you buy it as a present for someone else, that is not a gift

joujoujou

davetherave wrote: »

Auntie Mary who lives in Bristol sends a small present to her nephew John for his Birthday/Confirmation/Graduation whatever who lives in Dublin. That is a gift.

[...]

What if auntie Mary buys an item on Amazon/Ebay UK and asks seller to ship it directly to nephew John? Even though it is in fact a gift, it would not be treated as such by Revenue/Customs I guess?

Fwarder

whiterebel wrote: »

I can't be entirely certain, and I'll check it out when I get a chance, but I don't think there's VAT on movements to/from outside the EU.
I know DHL and FedEx don't charge VAT on movements from the US, and neither do UPS. Strangely enough, UPS charge VAT one the Customs clearance, which I think is incorrect, personally.

I'll let you know when I can check it out.

Is UPS still at 15+VAT?

An Post is using 3.5€, but I'm not sure about the UPS.

Seller is sending either with Canadian post for 50$ (slow) or with UPS for 55$ (fast)...so if UPS is at 15+VAT might as well chance the Canadian post + An post

p.s.@whiterebel what did u mean that they don't charge VAT on movements from the us?

whiterebel

They don’t charge VAT on the movement itself, it is included in the VAT/Duty calculation. The more I think about it, UPS are probably correct, because Customs Clearance is an Irish/EU function. DHL are charging VAT on theirs now too, I think.

icanmunch

Sorry I know it’s been done to death but I’m a bit unsure of this one.
I just received a text from DPD to say I owe €50.80 duty/tax for a parcel that cost €110.
The cost split is: 14:50 advance payment and €36.30 import vat. Does that sound correct? Thanks

Fwarder

icanmunch wrote: »

Sorry I know it’s been done to death but I’m a bit unsure of this one.
I just received a text from DPD to say I owe €50.80 duty/tax for a parcel that cost €110.
The cost split is: 14:50 advance payment and €36.30 import vat. Does that sound correct? Thanks

110e for item only or item and shipping?

icanmunch

Fwarder wrote: »

110e for item only or item and shipping?

For item + shipping

Fwarder

icanmunch wrote: »

For item + shipping

Tax is 21% so I'm not sure how they ended up with 36e

To get 36e of tax, your parcel should have been like 170e

icanmunch

Fwarder wrote: »

Tax is 21% so I'm not sure how they ended up with 36e

To get 36e of tax, your parcel should have been like 170e

That’s what I was thinking! I will shoot them an email and see how I get on. Thanks

Ogham

icanmunch wrote: »

Sorry I know it’s been done to death but I’m a bit unsure of this one.
I just received a text from DPD to say I owe €50.80 duty/tax for a parcel that cost €110.
The cost split is: 14:50 advance payment and €36.30 import vat. Does that sound correct? Thanks

Maybe the customs label didn't show the price - so customs did their own valuation?

ussjtrunks

I got a package this morning worth £55 from an post and no import charges due, it was from a small U.K. store they only took off U.K. vat?

waseempk78

Hi all,just have a question.i received a letter today from revenue that they detained my parcel which came from china.actually i ordered nike runner(copy),they mentioned that they suspecting that the goods infringe registered designs or patents,So now should i just leave it like that and let them destroy the goods or should i contact revenue or sign the form they sent to me.anybody have the same experience plz share your experience.thanks

punisher5112

waseempk78 wrote: »

Hi all,just have a question.i received a letter today from revenue that they detained my parcel which came from china.actually i ordered nike runner(copy),they mentioned that they suspecting that the goods infringe registered designs or patents,So now should i just leave it like that and let them destroy the goods or should i contact revenue or sign the form they sent to me.anybody have the same experience plz share your experience.thanks

You definitely won't be getting them.

prinzeugen

waseempk78 wrote: »

Hi all,just have a question.i received a letter today from revenue that they detained my parcel which came from china.actually i ordered nike runner(copy),they mentioned that they suspecting that the goods infringe registered designs or patents,So now should i just leave it like that and let them destroy the goods or should i contact revenue or sign the form they sent to me.anybody have the same experience plz share your experience.thanks

They will destroy them anyway. You ordered fakes. (no such thing as copies)

I would leave it. By replying you are admitting that you attempted to import counterfeit goods.

slade_x

Didn't think I would ever stop ordering from the UK but these fees are ridiculous

I made a purchase to the value of £28.42 + £16.01 Shipping with UPS. It arrived today and I had to pay €29 so I have practically paid for the items twice

Items were fpv quadcopter oriented:

XT30 Battery Wire with 100μF Capacitor × 1 £1.63
Caddx Ant 1200TVL Nano FPV camera - 4:3 × 1 £10.41
Ummagawd Ummagrip Lite Super Sticky Battery Pad (Blue) × 1 £3.70
FrSky XM Micro SBUS Receiver × 1 £7.70
XT30U Connectors (Pack of 10) - Yellow × 1 £2.49
XT30U Connectors (Pack of 10) - Black × 1 £2.49

Subtotal:£28.42 Shipping:£16.01 via UPS (1-2 Days Mon-Fri)


Payment method:PayPalTotal:£44.43

I have just worked out tax @21% which is

For the Goods £5.94 / €7.00
For the Goods with shipping (if they tax shipping too) £8.81 / €10.39