New Import Duty/VAT Thread. Read Post #1 for Rules Updated 10/9/2024

ohnonotgmail

slade_x wrote: »

Didn't think I would ever stop ordering from the UK but these fees are ridiculous

I made a purchase to the value of £28.42 + £16.01 Shipping with UPS. It arrived today and I had to pay €29 so I have practically paid for the items twice

Items were fpv quadcopter oriented:

I have just worked out tax @21% which is

For the Goods £5.94 / €7.00
For the Goods with shipping (if they tax shipping too) £8.81 / €10.39

you do pay vat on the total including shipping.
UPS charge €15 + vat for customs clearance.

Fwarder

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you do pay vat on the total including shipping.
UPS charge €15 + vat for customs clearance.

Yep...what An Post charges 3.5e, ups is charging 15+vat

Kat1170

But they've always charged that for processing items coming from outside the EU. It's not something new or sneaky.

fryup

Got a message from DHL saying i have to pay import duty/tax of €37.94

on an item that cost €113

how do they come up with that figure?

vat @ import €23.44

advance payment of €14.50 (whats that about??)

Fwarder

fryup wrote: »

Got a message from DHL saying i have to pay import duty/tax of €38

on an item that cost €113

how do they come with that figure?

Ask them?

Or do it yourself, multiply the amount with 21% tax and add 15e for dhl services

fryup

dhl services ??? i've already forked out €18.70 for shipping

tiegan

Anyone know what DPD are charging for their "handling fee"??

corkie

tiegan wrote: »

Anyone know what DPD are charging for their "handling fee"??

Spocker wrote: »

Just adding it to this thread for info - DPD are the courier that deliver gap.eu orders in Ireland (via Hermes in the UK, where the orders are dispatched from), and will charge a customs fee. I just paid a €14.08 fee (including a €5 DPD fee) for a pair of jeans from Gap that cost €41

If ordering from the likes of Amazon, you should be paying the courier fees at checkout.

fryup

corkie wrote: »

€113 + €18.70 + €15 (DHL customs processing fee) ~~ €146.70 * 21% = €30.80

Difference would be the value customs used or the currency exchange rate used.

the difference? of nearly €7.00 ?? that can't be right

and why am i paying VAT on shipping & services? surely the vat should be charged on the value of the item only

The_Conductor

fryup wrote: »

and why am i paying VAT on shipping & services? surely the vat should be charged on the value of the item only

VAT *is* charged on all shipping, services and carriage- ontop of the value of the item, and always has been done. I hear what you're saying- however, if you want it changed, lobby your TDs to have Revenue change how its calculated.

ohnonotgmail

fryup wrote: »

the difference? of nearly €7.00 ?? that can't be right

and why am i paying VAT on shipping & services? surely the vat should be charged on the value of the item only

VAT is charged on the CIF value of the goods. CIF is Cost, Insurance and Freight. The CIF value is what the goods actually cost you. Any customs processing fee charged by couriers is separate to to the shipping cost.

fryup

^^^^^^^^^^^

ok so how come i'm still paying 7 quid over the odds?

it seems to me they're picking figures out of the air

ohnonotgmail

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^

ok so how come i'm still paying 7 quid over the odds?

it seems to me they're picking figures out of the air

does the 37 include the DHL processing fee or is it purely the vat element and the DHL processing fee is on top of that? what was the total cost including the shipping?

ohnonotgmail

corkie wrote: »

If ordering from the likes of Amazon, you should be paying the courier fees at checkout.

if you buy through amazon they charge you the irish VAT in advance but they do not add an additional fee for processing the customs clearance.

fryup

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

does the 37 include the DHL processing fee or is it purely the vat element and the DHL processing fee is on top of that? what was the total cost including the shipping?

the original cost including shipping was €113

today i get an email from DHL - i have to pay import duty/tax of €37.94.....

vat @ import €23.44

advance payment (DHL) of €14.50

davetherave

When you say the item cost 113, is that the total cost including the postage. Because that would roughly add up to what they are saying.

113 * 0.21 = 23.73 VAT

+ 14.50 EUR (or 2.5% of the advanced amount, if higher) Advanced Payment: The service covers any import of a non-document shipment for which DHL has paid or used its customs credit line advancing customs duties, taxes or regulatory charges on behalf of those importers with whom DHL has no contract. The charge is based on the credit advanced or guaranteed and is subject to a standard minimum

Gives you €38.23



The Advance Payment Fee isn't included in the total transaction value for vat purposes. I'm happy to be corrected but I think Corkie has it wrong. From one of my own shipments from Hong Kong last year.

See first image: The entry form where you can see the amount of Duty owed, and then the amount of VAT owed comes to €105.06
https://i.imgur.com/cfIAcne.png



Then the receipt from DHL showing €119.56, €14.50 more.

https://i.imgur.com/TYjTnby.png

The_Conductor

fryup wrote: »

the original cost including shipping was €113

today i get an email from DHL - i have to pay import duty/tax of €37.94.....

vat @ import €23.44

advance payment (DHL) of €14.50

That looks spot on.
I'm not clear what the issue is?

fryup

@davetherave

OK get ya,

so is that the way its going to be from now on for UK items? even those bought on amazon.uk? and posted via an post?

corkie

@fryup My calculations before where in Error, I calculated vat on customs fee, but forgot to add the expense of it to total.

sniper_samurai

fryup wrote: »

@davetherave

OK get ya,

so is that the way its going to be from now on for UK items? even those bought on amazon.uk? and posted via an post?

You pay the Irish VAT at the checkout on Amazon.

If you are getting entertainment items Zavvi have set up a .ie portal and their stuff is sent with the VAT paid as well.

fryup

oh btw - are DHL going to charge me extra for everyday they hold my item?

AnimalRights

Ok I posted a few weeks back about buying a PC from England and ofc was wondering about the import duty, PC was a very expensive gamers one and I was sure I would have a hefty bill...
I must have been lucky cos nada, not 1 extra cent.
UPS delivered.

VG31

AnimalRights wrote: »

Ok I posted a few weeks back about buying a PC from England and ofc was wondering about the import duty, PC was a very expensive gamers one and I was sure I would have a hefty bill...
I must have been lucky cos nada, not 1 extra cent.
UPS delivered.

Where did you buy it from? The company may charge Irish VAT. Overclockers UK do. There is no duty on computer hardware.

Sheep Shagger

fryup wrote: »

oh btw - are DHL going to charge me extra for everyday they hold my item?

Not normally.

sbkenn

One UK supplier told me that UK VAT will be transferred to Ireland, so only the difference between UK and Ireland will be charged/ I presume that would require the invoice to be attached to the shipment, but I still have my doubts. I used Addresspal a lot, but as the mailing address would be Hatfield rather than here, the supplier says that they can't sell VAT free.

Fwarder

sbkenn wrote: »

One UK supplier told me that UK VAT will be transferred to Ireland, so only the difference between UK and Ireland will be charged/ I presume that would require the invoice to be attached to the shipment, but I still have my doubts. I used Addresspal a lot, but as the mailing address would be Hatfield rather than here, the supplier says that they can't sell VAT free.

Not true. Full IE VAT is being charged

However they are correct as well. Tjey can't sell to within the UK without charging you VAT

vicwatson

If I buy a 6 bottle case of wine online from Italy am I liable to pay Excise on it?

whiterebel

vicwatson wrote: »

If I buy a 6 bottle case of wine online from Italy am I liable to pay Excise on it?

See the 1st post, all the links are there.

vicwatson

whiterebel wrote: »

See the 1st post, all the links are there.

Thank you

Tzardine

Hi All,

Looking for some advice, I did a search of the forum but could not find an answer.

I need to buy about €1000 of books from the USA for a course I am doing. The delivery fee is also very high at €250. Unfortunately there are no options but to buy from this source.

What's the customs situation with books, I see that they are VAT exempt, but I am finding different information online about the potential customs duty.

Does anybody have any knowledge on this? I would appreciate it a lot.

whiterebel

See the first post in this thread. Look up the Tariff code or taric for books and it will tell you if duty is payable.

Fingers Mcginty

Hi,
I can't seem to get a definitive answer on this.
I know they are not part of the EU but are a member of the EEA.
Would any of you know if i'd incur customs if i were to make the purchase?

whiterebel

There is a specific thread on import and customs charges. Merge..

bassy

Guys I'm looking at buying a small item from the states for 42 dollars anyone know how much I'm likely to pay for tax and customs ?.

whiterebel

bassy wrote: »

Guys I'm looking at buying a small item from the states for 42 dollars anyone know how much I'm likely to pay for tax and customs ?.

Check the first post in the thread.

RobSR

Hi,
I ordered an item from the UK through Amazon for approx £96 in early Jan. which I received end of Jan. Just got an unexpected invoice from the courier company for VAT and an advancement fee totaling €41. I know things have changed with Brexit, but was sure that these charges were at least to be advised or accounted for at the point of sale. Have I any comeback on this or am I obliged to pay. I think it strange the courier company released the package before receiving payment for this.
Thanks

whiterebel

You bought from the UK which is now outside the EU. So you owe VAT and charges to the courier.

Charles Babbage

whiterebel wrote: »

You bought from the UK which is now outside the UK. So you owe VAT and charges to the courier.

Amazon always charged Irish VAT on shipments to Ireland.

Was Amazon the seller or someone selling through Amazon?



Unless you need it urgently, check the current price on Amazon, refuse delivery (it is very late), get a refund and order it again.

Jim_Hodge

Amazon charge Irish VAT. Are you sure the courier invoice is genuine? They usually look for payment before delivery and €41 seems excessive on that sale total. Also, Amazon rarely use couriers.

gipi

Was the item bought from Amazon or was it a marketplace seller? Amazon would include Irish VAT and import duties if any, marketplace sellers might not.

RobSR

Thanks for all the replies. It was a market place seller through Amazon. Looking at the original invoice, no Vat was charged so perhaps i am liable. Item has already been delivered. I suppose I am just surprised that there wasn't any warning that there would be additional charges and that the courier actually delivered the item before collecting the money. The advancement charge of €15 is also a bit rich.

corkie

whiterebel wrote: »

You bought from the UK which is now outside the UK EU . So you owe VAT and charges to the courier.

Correcting your post?

RobSR wrote: »

Thanks for all the replies. It was a market place seller through Amazon. Looking at the original invoice, no Vat was charged so perhaps i am liable. Item has already been delivered. I suppose I am just surprised that there wasn't any warning that there would be additional charges and that the courier actually delivered the item before collecting the money. The advancement charge of €15 is also a bit rich.

Courier UPS? It is strange that they delivered before payment was process on there charges.

RobSR

whiterebel wrote: »

You bought from the UK which is now outside the UK. So you owe VAT and charges to the courier.

Fedex

Spocker

corkie wrote: »

Courier UPS? It is strange that they delivered before payment was process on there charges.

Its not uncommon for couriers to deliver items and then seek payment afterwards, and their charges can indeed sting a bit

Darc19

FedEx always deliver and bill you.

Yes there's a €15+vat admin fee for the customs entry. That's standard and reasonably good value as they have invested in technology to do this automatically.

But as you said, it was sold to you less UK vat, so the only difference is the customs entry fee.

RobSR

Thanks all for your advice. Looks like I'll just have to suck it up. Lesson learnt!

L1011

Moved to Couriers forum

fryup

Darc19 wrote: »

FedEx always deliver and bill you.

and what if you don't pay? i mean you have the item

kik4444

Ok so I've ordered some clothes from Alphalete, they have UK distribution and paid in total with shipping 147 EUR which is less than 150EUR threshold for customs duty. Alphalete charged me 23% VAT (which is clearly wrong - Irish VAT is 21% now) and DPD also wants me to pay VAT + 5EUR fee customs VAT charge for goods to be released.

Who did it wrong in this scenario? I am pretty sure i can't be charged VAT twice (UK and Ireland)

Suckit

fryup wrote: »

and what if you don't pay? i mean you have the item

Then they will likely turn to the DHL type system where they charge you before you get the item, or destroy it. (If enough people do it.)

kik4444 wrote: »

Ok so I've ordered some clothes from Alphalete, they have UK distribution and paid in total with shipping 147 EUR which is less than 150EUR threshold for customs duty. Alphalete charged me 23% VAT (which is clearly wrong - Irish VAT is 21% now) and DPD also wants me to pay VAT + 5EUR fee customs VAT charge for goods to be released.

Who did it wrong in this scenario? I am pretty sure i can't be charged VAT twice (UK and Ireland)

Alphalete I guess are using DPD, so they should have the invoice stating that you have already paid the Irish VAT.