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Irish Poker, Rule book.

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  • 24-03-2010 8:05pm
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    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 176 ✭✭


    I heard carfax saying this should be done by the end of March. Has anyone got any idea when it will be finished and avaliable to the general public?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭JP Poker


    pkr_ennis wrote: »
    I heard carfax saying this should be done by the end of March. Has anyone got any idea when it will be finished and avaliable to the general public?

    Hey pkr_ennis,

    We had a few meetings in the last few weeks. Still one or two rules to be agreed on.

    Most of the players involved we working at the Norwegian Open last week and will be working at the Irish open this week.

    Hopefully it will be done and dusted by the end of April as May is a right off with us all working 4 festivals in May.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,897 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Any news on this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭thegreatiam


    should have a public first draft soon.
    maybe 2 weeks tops


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,897 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    I presume this has gone by the wayside?? A pity.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 176 ✭✭pkr_ennis


    It can't have gone by the wayside. If 'thegreatiam' is saying it's just 2 weeks away, then they must have loads of work done on it.
    There was a lot of buzz in the clubs about these rules and the positive impact they would have on poker here.
    So, COME ON BOYS!
    Make the game good.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Rockfish


    pkr_ennis wrote: »
    It can't have gone by the wayside. If 'thegreatiam' is saying it's just 2 weeks away, then they must have loads of work done on it.
    There was a lot of buzz in the clubs about these rules and the positive impact they would have on poker here.
    So, COME ON BOYS!
    Make the game good.

    Aye, but that was 3 months ago.:) Hopefully something will come of it whenever.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭carfax


    Hi All,

    It has proved extremely difficult to get all TD's involved in this together at the same time (as most work overseas regularly).

    What I am posting here are the rules for the IPO 2010 (they are also very similar to JP's current rules), which basically encompass the Irish Standardised Rules that were discussed at length by all TD's involved.

    The basic changes we are suggesting are:
    1. The min-raise rule should be "Americanised" (i.e. the minimum raise should be double the last raise and not double the last bet).

    2. String-betting enforcement needs to be relaxed in the sense that as long as a bet is in one forward motion it can stand (see rule 10C)

    3. Dealer kills a hand by accident - this is most definitely the responsibility of the player in question and players are not entitled to any redress (apart from one exception listed in rule 28).

    If any TD's need advice on any rules and their interpretation please don't hesitate to get in touch [ stephen (at) pokerireland.ie ] .... We do genuinely hope that all organisers will take on board these rules so that we can have the same game played in every area of the country.

    Cheers,
    Stephen.

    _____________________________________________________________

    Irish Standardised Poker Rules


    1 Floor People
    Floor people are to consider the best interest of the game and fairness as the top priority in the decision-making process. Unusual circumstances can on occasion dictate that decisions in the interest of fairness take priority over the technical rules. The floor person’s decision is final.

    2 Chip Race
    When it is time to colour-up chips they will be raced off with a maximum of one chip going to any player. The chip race will always start in the No.1 seat. A player cannot be raced out of a tournament: a player who loses his or her remaining chip(s) in a chip race will be given one chip of the smallest denomination still in play. Players are encouraged to witness the chip race.

    3 Odd Chips
    The odd chip(s) will go to the high hand. In flop, games when there are two or more high hands or two or more low hands the odd chip(s) will go to the left of the button. In stud games, the odd chip will go to the high card by suit. However when hands have identical value (e.g., a wheel in Omaha/8) the pot will be split as evenly as possible.

    4 Side Pots
    Each side pot will be split separately

    5 Calling for a Clock
    Once a reasonable amount of time has passed and a clock is called for, a player will be given a maximum of one minute to make a decision (any player at the table may call clock but the dealer may not).
    If action has not been taken before time expires, there will be a 10-second countdown. If a player has not acted by the time the countdown is over, the player’s hand will be dead.

    6 Dead Button
    Tournament play will use a dead button.

    7 Penalties and Disqualification
    A penalty MAY be invoked if a player exposes any card with action pending, throws a card off the table, violates the one-player-to-a-hand rule, or similar incidents take place. Penalties WILL be invoked in cases of soft play, abuse, or disruptive behaviour. Penalties available to the TD include verbal warnings and “missed hand” penalties.
    A missed hand penalty will be assessed as follows: The offender will miss one hand for every player, including the offender, who is at the table when the penalty is given multiplied by the number of rounds specified in the penalty; for the period of the penalty the offender shall remain away from the table. Tournament staff can assess one-, two-, three-, or four-round penalties or disqualification. A player who is disqualified shall have his or her chips removed from play. Repeat infractions are subject to escalating penalties.

    8 At Your Seat
    A player must be at his or her seat by the time the first player has been dealt their first card in order to have a live hand. Players must be at their seat to call time.

    9 Face Up
    All cards will be turned face up once a player is all-in and all betting action is complete.

    10 (a) Under-Raise:
    If a player puts in a raise of 50% or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted.

    10 (b) Minimum-Raise:
    The minimum raise will be double the previous raise and not double the previous bet.

    10 (c) Methods of Raising (String-Betting):
    A raise must be made by (1) placing the full amount in the pot in one or more continuous motion(s) without going back towards the players stack; or (2) verbally declaring the full amount prior to the initial placement of chips into the pot; or (3) verbally declaring “raise” prior to the placement of the amount to call into the pot and then completing the action with one additional motion.
    It is the player's responsibility to make his intentions clear and dealers will be responsible for calling string raises.

    11 Oversized Chip
    A single oversized chip will be considered a call if the player does not announce a raise. If a player puts an oversized chip into the pot and states raise but does not state the amount, the raise will be the maximum allowable up to the size of that chip. After the flop, an initial bet of a single oversized chip without comment will constitute the size of the bet. To make a raise with a single oversized chip a verbal declaration must be made before the chip hits the table surface.

    12 No Disclosure
    Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Therefore, players, whether in the hand or not, may not:
    1. Disclose contents of live or folded hands
    2. Advise or criticize play before the action is complete
    3. Read a hand that hasn’t been tabled
    The one-player-to-a-hand rule will be enforced.

    13 Random Seats
    Tournament seats will be randomly assigned.

    14 Official Language:
    The English-only rule will be enforced at the International Poker Open 2010 during the play of hands. Players may not speak any other language while cards are out.

    15 Communication
    The dealer can fold a players hand if they are using a mobile phone at the table.

    16 Deck Changes
    Players may not ask for deck changes.


    17 New Limits
    When time has elapsed in a round and a new level is announced by a member of the tournament staff, the new level applies to the next hand. A hand begins with the first riffle.

    18 Re-buys
    A player may not miss a hand. If a player announces the intent to re-buy before a new hand begins, that player is playing chips behind and is obligated to make the re-buy.

    19 Higher
    Players must keep their higher denomination chips visible at all times.

    20 Declarations
    Verbal declarations as to the content of a player’s hand are not binding; however, any player deliberately miscalling his or her hand may be penalized.

    21 Rabbit Hunting
    No rabbit hunting is allowed.

    22 Dodging Blinds
    A player who intentionally dodges (a) blind(s) when moving from a broken table will incur a penalty.

    23 Chips Visible
    All chips must be visible at all times. Players may not hold or transport tournament chips in any manner that takes them out of view. A player who does so will forfeit the chips and will face disqualification. The forfeited chips will be taken out of play.

    24 Breaking Tables
    Players going from a broken table to fill in seats assume the rights and responsibilities of the position. They can get the big blind, the small blind, or the button. The only place they cannot get a hand is between the small blind and the button.

    25 Balancing Tables
    In flop and mixed games when balancing tables, players will be moved from the big blind to the worst position, including taking a single big blind when available, even if that means the seat will have the big blind twice. Worst position is never the small blind. The table from which a player is moved will be as specified by a predetermined procedure. Play will halt on any table that is three or more players short.

    26 Raises
    There is no cap on the number of raises in no-limit games. A raise must be at least the size of the previous raise. In limit events there will be a limit to raises even when heads-up until the tournament is down to two players; the house limit will apply.









    27 Misdeals
    Exposure of one of the first two cards dealt is a misdeal. Players may be dealt two consecutive cards on the button. The following situations may also be cause for a misdeal, if during the initial deal:
    A) Two or more extra cards have been dealt.
    B) The first card dealt was to the wrong position.
    C) Cards have been dealt to an empty seat or a player not entitled to a hand.
    D) A player has been dealt out who is entitled to hand.
    A misdeal can only be declared if significant action has not occurred. Significant action is considered: three folds, three checks, two calls, a fold and a call, or a bet and a raise or a call and a fold.


    28 Unprotected Hands:
    If a dealer kills an unprotected hand, the player will have no redress and will not be entitled to a refund of bets. However, if a player had raised and the raise had not yet been called, the raise will be returned to the player.

    29 Killing Winning Hand
    Dealers cannot kill a winning hand that was tabled and was obviously the winning hand. Players are encouraged to assist in reading tabled hands if it appears that an error is about to be made.

    30 Verbal Declarations
    Verbal declarations in turn are binding. Action out of turn may be binding.

    31 Exposing Cards
    A player who exposes his cards with action pending may incur a penalty, but will not have a dead hand. The penalty will begin at the end of the hand.

    32 Ethical Play
    Poker is an individual game. Soft play will result in penalties, which may include forfeiture of chips and/or disqualification. Chip dumping will result in disqualification.

    33 Pot Size
    Players are entitled to be informed of the pot size in pot-limit games only. Dealers will not count the pot in limit and no-limit games.

    34 Button in Heads-up
    When heads-up the small blind is on the button and acts first. When beginning heads-up play the button may need to be adjusted to ensure that no player takes the big blind twice in a row.

    35 Etiquette Violations
    Repeated etiquette violations will result in penalties. Examples include unnecessarily touching other players cards or chips, delay of the game, and excessive chatter. Players are required to act in turn.

    36 Showdown
    At the end of last round of betting, the player who made the last aggressive action in that betting round must show first. If there was no bet the player to the left of the button shows first and so on clockwise. In stud games, the player with the high board must show first. In razz, the lowest board shows first.

    37 Action Pending
    Players must remain at the table if they still have action pending on a hand.

    38 Playing the Board
    A player must show both cards when playing the board in order to get part of the pot.

    39 Excessive Celebrations
    Excessive celebration through extended theatrics, inappropriate behavior, or physical actions, gestures, or conduct will be subject to penalty.

    40 End of Play
    Ten minutes prior to the end of days play for any event, a random card will be drawn to determine how many additional hands will be played. Playing cards 3-7 will be used and a random player will be asked to pick a card face down.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 176 ✭✭pkr_ennis


    N1 Steven,
    I didn't look through those rules yet, but the 'changes' are very positive.

    Are you all going to make a decision on the final text of the rules?
    Any chance of getting these circulated to all the clubs?
    Thanks again,
    C


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Well done Steven , great post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 kevinanchi1


    Hi All, i am a newbie in poker world and interested to learn more, So here is my first question,does different poker have different rules in different places, isn't there a common universal rule for poker??


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 176 ✭✭pkr_ennis


    isn't there a common universal rule for poker??

    Unfortunately not no. Poker is a complex game and many situations are unique to that exact hand and those exact players.

    The good news is, that the first rule of poker is- Any rule can be waived if the outcome produces the most fair result possible.

    The other good news is that some good guys are preparing a manual for all Irish games to adhere to.

    The bad news is that it takes a lot of skill to manage poker games well, and keep them running.

    Good luck in the poker world, it's fascinating. Try not to get pwned,
    C. . .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 kevinanchi1


    pkr_ennis wrote: »
    Unfortunately not no. Poker is a complex game and many situations are unique to that exact hand and those exact players.

    The good news is, that the first rule of poker is- Any rule can be waived if the outcome produces the most fair result possible.

    The other good news is that some good guys are preparing a manual for all Irish games to adhere to.

    The bad news is that it takes a lot of skill to manage poker games well, and keep them running.

    Good luck in the poker world, it's fascinating. Try not to get pwned,
    C. . .


    Hi thanks for your comment, so after all its a long way round and there are no shortcuts, i guess i have to be more than smart to be in this game and learn it well :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 kevinanchi1


    pkr_ennis wrote: »
    Unfortunately not no. Poker is a complex game and many situations are unique to that exact hand and those exact players.

    The good news is, that the first rule of poker is- Any rule can be waived if the outcome produces the most fair result possible.

    The other good news is that some good guys are preparing a manual for all Irish games to adhere to.

    The bad news is that it takes a lot of skill to manage poker games well, and keep them running.

    Good luck in the poker world, it's fascinating. Try not to get pwned,
    C. . .

    Hey Guys is maths important in poker ??? i heard that most of the people saying that it is important :(


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