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Eircom apparently upgrading to 8mb?
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Ok, let's do the maths on this marketing bs, shall we?
Lets say you are currently on only 1mb/s, as this is all your line can take and you are paying €46 per month.
But at least Eircom doesn't currently enforce the cap, so you can effectively download up to 316 GB in one month (at 1mb/s).
Under this new product, you will be moved to "upto" 8mb/s, but since your line is only capable of 1mb, you won't actually get any faster speed.
But now you have a 10GB cap, go over it and your charged €2 extra per GB, up to an extra €50 per month.
Last month if you downloaded 300GB you paid €46
Next month if you download 300GB you will pay €96
That is an almost a doubling in price.
This is a sneaky and underhand way for Eircom to get more money out of people while dressing it up in marketing BS about getting faster speeds that most people won't benefit from.
Actually I've read the Eircom wholesale documentation on the new product located here: http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/ and it actually doesn't say either way what people will get.
Reading this document it is clear that this is NOT an uncontended 1:1 product, don't kid yourself, Eircom are simply moving peolple around between different VLANs.
Lets make this abundantly clear, Eircom aren't laying a single extra meter of fibre optic cable to achieve this, nor are they installing a single extra DSLAM. Not a single piece of physical Eircom networking gear has changed since last month. They are simply moving people around different VLANs on existing in place fibre, in areas where there was spare capacity available.
As johnwoods mentioned a few posts back, some of the largest exchanges right bang in the middle of Dublin city center like the north main exchange, aren't part of this NGB, which you would normally expect they would.
The reason is the fibre to these exchanges is already at capacity and Eircom will need to spend actual money running new fibre to these exchanges in order to move them to a similar product. But lets be clear Eircom don't want to actually spend any money on this, they just want to launch a new bs marketing campaign and milk more money out of unsuspecting victims.
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I respectfully disagree. To clarify a couple of points ...
[/QUOTE] Last month if you downloaded 300GB you paid €46
Next month if you download 300GB you will pay €96 [/QUOTE]
The 'usage cap' of €49.99 includes your BB rental ... soooo .... it's a cap of about €24 in additional to your rental on NGB Basic and €20 in addition to your rental on NGB Regular. Confirmed by sales agent (after loooong chat!)
next re moving people around different SVLANs ..... c'mon ... I've read your stuff ... you know this isnt true and would make little difference
Have a read of the below ... quite a good summary.... essentially, eircom are achieving an uncongested service by increasing the backhaul in exchanges. Thus the 100million investment as noted in the papers ...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=20558699760 -
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One of the lucky ones here. The speeds are consistently high. The cap is the biggest problem that I have. 30 GB disappears rapidly when downloading games.
The benefits of being about 800 m from the exchange.
Sorry if i'm just missing something but how do you get that speed from an eircom line? like are you on a 7mb line and just live on the exchange and you somehow get this pure speed as a function of distance?0 -
Fie, foh, fum, I smell the blood of an Eircom employee/shill.
No seriously, BaldiePablo hasn't posted on boards.ie in over two years and the last time he posted he was also accused of being an Eircom shill:
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54438361&postcount=60
Suddenly he is back with an avalanche of pro Eircom posts.
In fairness I got the same info from one of the sales lads a while back about the max cost of 50 euro as I posted
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BK is not quite right about the per month cost but is on the right track.
1. A 1mbit user busting their cap is liable to be charged UP TO €26 extra a month.
2. A 1mbit user IN A BUNDLE is liable to be charged up to €30 extra a month
Baldie forgot to mention that eircom can only switch 50gbits in their network core which means that they can only concurrently handle 50000 1mbit users uncontended.
Most of their users are on 3mbits or higher, uncontended network my hole 0 -
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thelastangryman wrote: »In fairness I got the same info from one of the sales lads a while back about the max cost of 50 euro as I posted.
No, that isn't the reason I think he is an Eircom employee, it is my mod spider sense that tells me he is
Basically over two year ago he was accused of being an Eircom shill after a similar series of posts and right after the accusation he disappeared for two years from boards.
Then suddenly he is back and in the space of 24 hours posts 12 pro Eircom posts. It just doesn't smell right.
Not that there is anything wrong with an Eircom employee posting here or the employee of any ISP, in fact they are welcome. However if they are going to be posting about their own or competitors products, then it is only fair that they declare who they work for.0 -
No, that isn't the reason I think he is an Eircom employee, it is my mod spider sense that tells me he is
Basically over two year ago he was accused of being an Eircom shill after a similar series of posts and right after the accusation he disappeared for two years from boards.
Then suddenly he is back and in the space of 24 hours posts 12 pro Eircom posts. It just doesn't smell right.
Not that there is anything wrong with an Eircom employee posting here or the employee of any ISP, in fact they are welcome. However if they are going to be posting about their own or competitors products, then it is only fair that they declare who they work for.
Couldn't it be used to our benefit?
Get him/her to be recognised as an official rep and so on.0 -
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Sponge Bob wrote: »Baldie forgot to mention that eircom can only switch 50gbits in their network core which means that they can only concurrently handle 50000 1mbit users uncontended.
Most of their users are on 3mbits or higher, uncontended network my hole
Disclosure: I'm a networking professional currently employed by eircom.
The above is rather disingenuous. What do you think the likelihood is of all users using all of their bandwidth simultaneously? No ISP in the world dimensions their core network by a rule like that. They would go bust in weeks (if they could get investment for such a ridiculous scheme in the first place). This is equivalent to saying Dublin bus should have a seat available for every potential commuter in Dublin, every day, all the time. Do you want buses parked bumper to bumper on every street in the city 24x7? Or that ESB should provide enough power for all cosumers to run all their appliances, every day, all the time. How would you fancy a nuclear power station in every county? There are many similar examples all as silly as each other.
All ISPs capacity manage their core networks to cope with peak demand. This demand is usually very predictable and very consistent, and can be forecast for up to a number of years in advance with reasonable accuracy. The bigger the ISP and larger the customer base, the more consistent and predictable the traffic on the core network.
ISPs make decisions on core capacity based on average bandwidth per user, plus overhead for growth, plus overhead for peak demands, plus overhead for resilience. Depending on the network design and the ISP this will usually lead to somewhere between 40-70% peak link utilisation. Some taxpayer funded networks may run at lower utilisation but commercial ISPs need to make money from their investments...
While there are potential events that can lead to unusual sudden traffic levels (e.g. big news event, critical windows patch, virus/worm etc. ), these spikes are generally surprisingly small in relation to the total core network capacity and congestion if any often takes place at the source of the unusual traffic rather than in the ISP core.
That's not to say there are never issues with congestion in an ISP core. But they are rare and tend to be as a result of unusual outages / failures or (very occasionally) delays in upgrading links. They are much, much less likely to cause a customer impact than congestion at the access layer.
It is this access layer congestion that the new NGB products are addressing. Believe me (or not, if you desire)... this is where you want improvement in capacity. This is also the layer that costs the most money (orders of magnitude more than the core) so it is not a cheap option to gain popularity. It is an expensive option, to deliver real improvements to real life DSL performance.
I've been on the 8Mb/s uncontended* service on trial for a couple of months and it has made a noticeable difference to my usage. If I get a popup for a large OS patch at 8pm I simply click it and continue working with little impact on browsing, VPN or other downloads. In the past I would wait and run it the following morning as doing so at evening peak would kill the connection for anything else for 30 mins due to contention.
Whether the caps are fair or not is subjective. I would point out that most users are not power users who max out their connections daily. If the caps prove too low or too expensive for a significant number of customers, they will vote with their feet and eircom will need to react to that.
All I am saying is that I believe the NGB product will make a real and noticeable improvement to broadband performance for a majority of users. I'm surprised at the amount of negativity towards it and would recommend people wait for their upgrade and see how they find it.
this was going to be a short post...
*To be correct: "managed contention" - but the experience for customers if if it managed effectively should be "uncontended"0 -
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Cherryghost,
In terms of NGB i didnt find a place on the site that says "Its only going to be in major parts, now sod off"
It does say for me here in wicklow that, at this point its not available but eircom may expand in the future (presumably when the correct links are upgraded downstream).
Just as justatechy states, running an infrastructure of scale and capacity like Eircom's takes carefull planning; Just like is stated this sort of stuff costs a whole heap to upgrade, you will naturally see major area's benefit first because the density of customers is much much more. Im sure if Mr. Lenehan handed Eircom a few Billion that NGB would have a huge coverge rate (98%++).
The thing is, its all fine saying "Yeh roll out this sucker out in the morning" and genuinely i think eircom or any ISP would be like "Hell Yeah" but there is a reality and that is cost and this isnt normally concidered. Eircom is a business afterall, im sure AnPost would love the fastest, highest capacity vans for everywhere + replaces their fleet the week a new Van comes out, in this case vans are retired in a phased basis and replaced with new ones.
oh so i dont get accused:
These comments are my own and do not represent that of my employer (HP)0 -
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Cherryghost,
In terms of NGB i didnt find a place on the site that says "Its only going to be in major parts, now sod off"
It does say for me here in wicklow that, at this point its not available but eircom may expand in the future (presumably when the correct links are upgraded downstream).
Just as justatechy states, running an infrastructure of scale and capacity like Eircom's takes carefull planning; Just like is stated this sort of stuff costs a whole heap to upgrade, you will naturally see major area's benefit first because the density of customers is much much more. Im sure if Mr. Lenehan handed Eircom a few Billion that NGB would have a huge coverge rate (98%++).
The thing is, its all fine saying "Yeh roll out this sucker out in the morning" and genuinely i think eircom or any ISP would be like "Hell Yeah" but there is a reality and that is cost and this isnt normally concidered. Eircom is a business afterall, im sure AnPost would love the fastest, highest capacity vans for everywhere + replaces their fleet the week a new Van comes out, in this case vans are retired in a phased basis and replaced with new ones.
oh so i dont get accused:
These comments are my own and do not represent that of my employer (HP)
Mate theres 2 colours, one for implemented and one for plans by August. Most of the country has neither. I rang eircom earlier and they said my exchange isnt even being considered for this. Not now, not in the future either. So yeah, make that whatever way you want.0 -
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Owwmykneecap wrote: »That's debatable.
Well lets not go down that path.teddy b123 wrote: »yeah only 7 years from no broadband to broadband :P
so we can expect to see the NGB rolled out to the whole country in hmm lets see, 2017?
thats under the presumption that cherryghost got broadband in the last 4 months cherryghost wrote: »lulz. I still find it unacceptable that they cannot give any sort of timeframe to sort the issue.
Are you refering to your own issue or the NGB rollout ?0 -
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