more examples of NASA moon lies

bytey

interesting stuff ,
those beeps you hear may not be radio comms beeps after all :

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita#p/u/10/PMax7EGyQSQ

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita#p/u/9/BbgNg1gtl4I

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita#p/u/8/QKqMhp038Zk

Torakx

Another interesting perspective here also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyYto9H85Gw

Vuctor

You have to laugh at the unmitigated self delusion of the moon hoax fantasists.
There is a Himalayan mountain of evidence that the moon landings were exactly as popularly understood.
There is NO evidence it was a hoax.
The so-called hoax 'evidence' is childish schoolboy howler's misunderstanding of science.
What it actually proves is that the hoax fantasists have a problem and I wouldn't believe them if they told me the sky is blue.
For them to be correct, every scientist in the past 50 years (other than the odd psuedo 'expert' they dig up) would have to be a deluded liar.
There is no issue and nobody other than the usual suspects has the slightest interest in this (and all their other crazed issues).
We used to hear so much about the Van Allen belt. That astronauts would die if they travelled through it. And that proved it couldn't have happened.
That a lead shield so heavy would be needed that a rocket wouldn't get off the pad.
LOL. Lead is useless to block the heavy protons and electons of the Van Allen belt.
Ironically the best shield is polyethylene. Very light stuff and it was incorporated in the constructed craft.
But the biggest joke of all is that James Van Allen himself derided the moon hoax case.

That was a bit of a shock for the CTs. So then, he was quickly relegated from 'champion' of their case to brainwashed gatekeeper of the system.

Then we were told that the landings were hoaxed to get one over on the Russians in the cold war.
Then it turned out the Russians, who'd have been the 1st ones to cry foul if there was even the remotest chance of creating doubt about the landings, they themselves have no problem with the issue.
LOL.
Then we are told the Russians were really in on it as well. Paid off by the CIA.

Sure they were.

As is invariably the case with all the CT fantasies we see a scraping of the barrel for any aspect of the situation that might be ambiguous to the layman being elevated into incontrovertible 'evidence' that it was a hoax, while the informed evidence of 1000s of normal scientists is conveniently ignored.

You could go though every single piece of 'evidence' the CTs come up with and demolish it.

But who really cares?

I'm afraid the moon hoax non issue actually proves the CTs are themselves hopelessly deluded.

jay93

the only people deluded are the one;s who listen to the medias lies put out by the goverments after all this planet is nothing but a war driven missery suffering excuse for a race if you actually understood anything about space /galaxies as we are only i one of the infinate ammount of galaxies that ther is its very very very hard to believe that only one planet in the whole vastness of space has life on it like comee on the hell please wake up for the illusion that was but there by leaders .. why do we need muppet leaders anyway telling us what we can and cannot do the words human rights dont exist on this planet anymore they never did people just like to believe that they do:mad:

Brown Bomber

Vuctor wrote: »

But who really cares?

You, clearly.

Vuctor

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You, clearly.

hint:

take a look at that thread on 'How to start a Conspiracy Theory'

that's you they're talking about

Brown Bomber

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vuctor

But who really cares?


You, clearly.

What is your moivation for posting here if the subject matter discussed is so ridiculous and by extension so are the posters, makes no sense to me.

Vuctor

Entertaining.

Richard tea

Nice vids lads. The second image ( crest/badge )that Jack created looks like the Norway spiral.http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6bf6aa95c650.jpg

squod

Vuctor wrote: »

You have to laugh...........hoax fantasists .......... deluded liar.......crazed.....the biggest joke of all.........brainwashed gatekeeper of the system...........hopelessly deluded.

Who is the prince of lies?

kryogen

so your saying he did go the moon?

squod

kryogen wrote: »

so your saying he did go the moon?

No. I haven't posted said flag on the moon like.

bytey

vuctor - this is a place for dicussion, not a place to call people deluded
if you are too thick to take the time to do the research and look at the information thats all spilling out - then go somewhere else and spout your hate.

the info was posted for disussion not for you to auomatically react with
" wuh wuh , look at the lunies wuh wuh "
you are pretty pathetic if this is how you get your kicks.
you are making an ass of your self.

most of us 'deluded people' are actually well educated professionals , who do not automatically swallow the gov version of events . .

I believe SOME of the apollo missions DID go to the moon , but ALL of the record has bee manipulated and faked - before the public see it .

there is a big difference between these viewpoints.

some people believe they never went to the moon, I think they did .
but they have LIED about everything that went on up there .

they are hiding what they found , for whatever reason - and its NASA themselves who have fed the 'we didnt go to the moon ' story - to tke the heat away from the real truth.

jay93

bytey wrote: »

vuctor - this is a place for dicussion, not a place to call people deluded
if you are too thick to take the time to do the research and look at the information thats all spilling out - then go somewhere else and spout your hate.

the info was posted for disussion not for you to auomatically react with
" wuh wuh , look at the lunies wuh wuh "
you are pretty pathetic if this is how you get your kicks.
you are making an ass of your self.

most of us 'deluded people' are actually well educated professionals , who do not automatically swallow the gov version of events . .

I believe SOME of the apollo missions DID go to the moon , but ALL of the record has bee manipulated and faked - before the public see it .

there is a big difference between these viewpoints.

some people believe they never went to the moon, I think they did .
but they have LIED about everything that went on up there .

they are hiding what they found , for whatever reason - and its NASA themselves who have fed the 'we didnt go to the moon ' story - to tke the heat away from the real truth.

yeah i agree they defo did go to the moon or either they never went apollo is just an excuse to cover for the ammount of ships on the moon well before that these rockets that we sent up are the most dead tech that they have at this stage they have anti gravity tech its simple tech but no one is told bout it ..the footage if apollo did go up was edited because if real images of above the planet where shown everyone would know the ammount of objects moving about up there i can get a utube link of a nasa video showing countless ammounts of objects but im sure most have seen it !!?? its the one where they were trying to find the space station which was impossible with the ammount of stuff up there:eek::eek:

Gordon

I only viewed the first video and the beeps aren't consistant with the entering/exiting times. Sometimes there's a double beep when an object leaves, sometimes it depends on when the object touches the edge of frame, sometimes it's when the object fully leaves the frame. It's inconsistant so I am not convinced.

Then take another video where there are beeps when there is no movement and no beeps when there are objects entering/exiting the frame below. These beeps have been cherrypicked so as to create a lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMINSD7MmT4

robtri

squod wrote: »

No. I haven't posted said flag on the moon like.

well if you are saying he didnt go to the moon, then the picture is really null and void.... as it states under it the flag he took to the moon.....

so why post the pic if its a made up fake????

robtri

bytey wrote: »

interesting stuff ,
those beeps you hear may not be radio comms beeps after all :

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita#p/u/10/PMax7EGyQSQ

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita#p/u/9/BbgNg1gtl4I

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita#p/u/8/QKqMhp038Zk

only had a chance to watch the first one so far....

interesting idea alright.....

but i do find it amazing that this massively advanced digital editing system,
which seems to be able to examine frame by frame and do all th calculations and re-edit in virtual real time....
makes these silly beeps....... does that not seem so riddiculous...

also computers of the time, i doubt where capable of processing that much information that fast..........

robtri

bytey wrote: »

interesting stuff ,
those beeps you hear may not be radio comms beeps after all :

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita#p/u/10/PMax7EGyQSQ

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita#p/u/9/BbgNg1gtl4I

http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita#p/u/8/QKqMhp038Zk

just had a look at part two.....

think it is clutching at straws here all along he says the beeps are as astronaunts come into frame or leave it....

but at 1.53 he changes his story for a few mins so the beep is only as the astronaunt becomes fully in the frame... not as he is appearing like all the other examples....
which to me indicates that his understanding of the beeps is flawed...

squod

robtri wrote: »

well if you are saying he didnt go to the moon, then the picture is really null and void.... as it states under it the flag he took to the moon.....

so why post the pic if its a made up fake????

Have you read the post? It does only contain like six words.

kryogen

squod wrote: »

No. I haven't posted said flag on the moon like.

Well whats the point in posting the pic then?

care to explain the point you were trying to make?

uprising2

Vuctor wrote: »

You have to laugh at the unmitigated self delusion of the moon hoax fantasists.
There is a Himalayan mountain of evidence that the moon landings were exactly as popularly understood.
There is NO evidence it was a hoax.
The so-called hoax 'evidence' is childish schoolboy howler's misunderstanding of science.
What it actually proves is that the hoax fantasists have a problem and I wouldn't believe them if they told me the sky is blue.
For them to be correct, every scientist in the past 50 years (other than the odd psuedo 'expert' they dig up) would have to be a deluded liar.
There is no issue and nobody other than the usual suspects has the slightest interest in this (and all their other crazed issues).
We used to hear so much about the Van Allen belt. That astronauts would die if they travelled through it. And that proved it couldn't have happened.
That a lead shield so heavy would be needed that a rocket wouldn't get off the pad.
LOL. Lead is useless to block the heavy protons and electons of the Van Allen belt.
Ironically the best shield is polyethylene. Very light stuff and it was incorporated in the constructed craft.
But the biggest joke of all is that James Van Allen himself derided the moon hoax case.

That was a bit of a shock for the CTs. So then, he was quickly relegated from 'champion' of their case to brainwashed gatekeeper of the system.

Then we were told that the landings were hoaxed to get one over on the Russians in the cold war.
Then it turned out the Russians, who'd have been the 1st ones to cry foul if there was even the remotest chance of creating doubt about the landings, they themselves have no problem with the issue.
LOL.
Then we are told the Russians were really in on it as well. Paid off by the CIA.

Sure they were.

As is invariably the case with all the CT fantasies we see a scraping of the barrel for any aspect of the situation that might be ambiguous to the layman being elevated into incontrovertible 'evidence' that it was a hoax, while the informed evidence of 1000s of normal scientists is conveniently ignored.

You could go though every single piece of 'evidence' the CTs come up with and demolish it.

But who really cares?

I'm afraid the moon hoax non issue actually proves the CTs are themselves hopelessly deluded.

Your deluded, why write such a big important post for something you don't care about, entertainment?, I won't try convert you, just maybe realise theres plenty of people reading your post saying "poor deluded lad, he'd swallow a gate", which you have kinda, nothing really has been debunked and there is a lot more evidence to prove they didn't go, but that was 40 years ago and wasting time now trying to convince anybody eitherway distracts from the present tense and sh1t thats happening now.

namloc1980

uprising2 wrote: »

Your deluded, why write such a big important post for something you don't care about, entertainment?, I won't try convert you, just maybe realise theres plenty of people reading your post saying "poor deluded lad, he'd swallow a gate", which you have kinda, nothing really has been debunked and there is a lot more evidence to prove they didn't go, but that was 40 years ago and wasting time now trying to convince anybody eitherway distracts from the present tense and sh1t thats happening now.

I certainly think there is some sort of conspiracy behind the moon landings, or more to the point, behind the hoax claims.

Every now and again someone posts a video on youtube with the 'troof' about Apollo moon landings....it gets linked to by someone else who claims 'this is the the troof' and all the hoaxers swallow it hook, line and sinker without even questioning the validity of the claims or the motivation behind them. There is a concerted effort from professional hoaxers to continue to peddle misinformation which unfortuneately some people believe. Professional hoaxers like Bart Sibrel have made alot of money through their hoax activities and how do they continue to make money???? By keeping the hoax myth alive of course. By presenting various 'facts' as the 'troof' and playing on people's fears (the big bad government is lying to you etc.) the hoaxers can sell DVD's and make a lot of money from telling the 'troof' at conferences etc. Of course when you look closely at the hoax claims, they are complete rubbish and easily debunked. I have yet to see a single hoax claim that stands up in any way That's the real conspiracy here.

Tetsudo

The real scandal with the moon is not wheather we went there or not, its about what is actually on the moon that is being hidden from us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6QNzH4x1rY

This is an excerpt from the disclosure project event in 2001. The man speaking is a former nasa employee turned whistleblower. Disclosure project witnesses are bulletproof. Stick that in a sceptical pipe and take a chugg.

Apparently theres ruins all over it.

namloc1980

Tetsudo wrote: »

The real scandal with the moon is not wheather we went there or not, its about what is actually on the moon that is being hidden from us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6QNzH4x1rY

This is an excerpt from the disclosure project event in 2001. The man speaking is a former nasa employee turned whistleblower. Disclosure project witnesses are bulletproof. Stick that in a sceptical pipe and take a chugg.

Apparently theres ruins all over it.

Disclosure project witnesses have no evidence, only heresay. Is this what passes for bulletproof these days for CTers????

You mean Karl Wolf in the video. He was working as a technician in Langley Air Force Base where he claims he was in a photo processing lab and another guy was working there on some photos showing alleged ruins on the Moon. This other guy was a 2nd class Airman. So for this guy to be telling the 'troof' you must believe that two unranked recruits had access to some of the most explosive and top top top secret material in the military. :pac: Bulletproof.....yeah right.

Tetsudo

The disclosure project was and is the single most credible and highly acclaimed presentation of facts and testmony seen or heard about by an estimated 1 billion people since it aired in 2001. All of the witnesses and their stories were grilled mercilessly for years and years by teams of lawyers and investigaters before anything was finalized. The purpose of the disclosure project was to once and for all present irrefutable, undeniable and (dare i say again!) bulletproof evidence from whistleblowers and they achieved exactly that. To my knowledge, every single attempt to discredit and shrug off greer and his testimonies has failed and the disclosure project remains the formost spearhead of the entire movement.

It has seen better days no doubt, but its still practically one of the only presentations around that has such a high level of witnesses, political involvement and awesome credablity.

Brushing it off as hersay isnt gonna cut it by a long shot.

kryogen

you have failed to address a valid point raised however, why would they be in possesion of such sensitive information?

i find it very hard to believe that images that depict ruins on the moon etc.. would be in the hands of low ranked recruits tbh

Tetsudo

It wasnt in his hands at all i dont think, he was called in to repair some equipment. The guy who showed it to him was just some guard or other technician or somthing. Obivously there were alot of people working on that project that were probably traumatised by what they were seeing in those photos, its not really that far fetched that somone would have started a convo about it and given him a peek at a few photos. As Karl said himself, he thought he would go home to see it on the news later that evening. People probably didnt realize at the time that the whole thing was gonna be censored. Id say its a much stricter protocol nowdays for sure.

I didnt mean to hijack this thread, back to the moon people!

Edit: They were mostly civilian specialist people working for nasa. Not every photo from space goes through some high ranking quarantine. There must have been buildings full of people of all ranks going through those photos.

namloc1980

Tetsudo wrote: »

It wasnt in his hands at all i dont think, he was called in to repair some equipment. The guy who showed it to him was just some guard or other technician or somthing. Obivously there were alot of people working on that project that were probably traumatised by what they were seeing in those photos, its not really that far fetched that somone would have started a convo about it and given him a peek at a few photos. As Karl said himself, he thought he would go home to see it on the news later that evening. People probably didnt realize at the time that the whole thing was gonna be censored. Id say its a much stricter protocol nowdays for sure.

I didnt mean to hijack this thread, back to the moon people!

Edit: They were mostly civilian specialist people working for nasa. Not every photo from space goes through some high ranking quarantine. There must have been buildings full of people of all ranks going through those photos.

So civilians and unranked airmen had access to top secret military information at the height of the Cold War??? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Did the disclosure project actually disclose any real evidence other than opinion and heresay?

BaconZombie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d73jCthcAok

indough

Tetsudo wrote: »

Edit: They were mostly civilian specialist people working for nasa. Not every photo from space goes through some high ranking quarantine. There must have been buildings full of people of all ranks going through those photos.

only the ones that dont have evidence of top secret military coverups?

Tetsudo

Skeptics are the fuel for the fire :cool:

"So civilians and unranked airmen had access to top secret military information at the height of the Cold War??? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Did the disclosure project actually disclose any real evidence other than opinion and heresay?"

Karl Wolf was a precision electronics photographic repairman with a top secret crypto clearance in the USAF. In mid 1965 he was loaned to the luner orbiter project because they had broken equipment that was his speciality to fix. This is why he was there and this is why he speaks about it because it was not a project that he was involved in or sworn to secrecy about.

This is fours years before the lunar landings. The projects going on around this time involved fly-bys and orbiting. The 1958 pioneer was the first american shot at orbiting the moon. That means the moon mapping had been going on for 7 years before our friend Karl arrived and 11 years in total before any landings happened. Thats 7 years worth of photos with new ones coming in all the time.

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/chrono1.html for a timeline.

When he arrived there were scientists of many nationalities present. This is because only 2 space programs existed in the world and most countries allied with America would have had scientific representitives present. He was shown the equipment and began to fix it. During the course of the repair a similarly ranked person was present overseeing the operation. They had a 30 minute long conversation about the nature of the equipment and the photos. Towards the end of the conversation Karl was told that they had discovered a base on the back side of the moon and was shown photos to that affect. Remember these are the early days, its not hard to imagine that there must have been photos of this stuff hanging from walls and falling out of folders all over the shop!

Karl said nothing about this for about 35 years until he came in contact with the disclosure project and gave his evidence. And yes witness testimony does count as evidence, especially if the person is legit and theres story checks out. It happens in court everyday.

Karl Wolfe and roughly 450 other top class witnesses have yet to be been given the chance to testify under oath before congress, which is one of the primary aims of the disclosure project.

Here is the indepth witness testimonial documentary. Its the closest any of us are getting to the truth and is the best ufo documentary bar none.

Part 1 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6552475158249898710&ei=k4evS_SoKczV-Qa96b3ZBg&q=disclosure+project+witness#

and Part 2 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4694075066240662837&ei=k4evS_SoKczV-Qa96b3ZBg&q=disclosure+project+witness#

studiorat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SrrZGalCDQ