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Failing the leaving cert

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  • 27-03-2010 7:02pm
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    LovexxLife
    Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭LovexxLife


    If you fail pass maths is it true you fail your leaving?


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    zam
    Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭zam


    What about if you fail higher level? Or irish/english for that matter?


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    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,229 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    When people speak of Leaving Certificate 'standard', they generally mean 5 passes at at least Ordinary Level (or a pass grade in the LCA), unless they specify otherwise.

    In the past, if you failed Irish, you were deemed to have failed the whole exam, that is not the case now.


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    Liveit
    Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭Liveit


    They should really get rid of the need to pass maths at HL level if you passed it for the junior cert. A lot of people just drop to pass because of the fear of failing which is preventing people from reaching their full potential


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    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,229 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I've never heard of anything like that. Did you see it written in a Department or SEC publication, or did a teacher say it?


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    domrush
    Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭domrush


    If I wanted to do this http://www.qualifax.ie/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=15 and got the points but failed french would i get in?


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    rainbowtrout
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    Liveit wrote: »
    They should really get rid of the need to pass maths at HL level if you passed it for the junior cert. A lot of people just drop to pass because of the fear of failing which is preventing people from reaching their full potential

    But if that was the case anyone could sign up for HL maths, fail it and have no problem getting into college because their mathematical ability wasn't taken into account.


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    Reillyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Reillyman


    TBH anyone wh fails Ordinary Maths should not be aloud integrate with normal society...


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    Reillyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Reillyman


    domrush wrote: »
    If I wanted to do this http://www.qualifax.ie/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=15 and got the points but failed french would i get in?

    Well obviously not if you need French???


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    Stetson Teeny Apparel
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    Reillyman wrote: »
    TBH anyone wh fails Ordinary Maths should not be aloud integrate with normal society...
    Or Ordinary English?
    There's no need for nonsense comments like that


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    QuiteInterestin
    Registered Users Posts: 623 ✭✭✭QuiteInterestin


    At least a D3 in ordinary level maths is the minimum requirement for most third level courses either in universities or ITs so if you failed maths you wouldn't receive any CAO offers regardless of grades/points obtained in other subjects as you wouldn't have satisified the minimum requirements. Thats probably why to fail maths was considered as failing the LC.

    Universities minimum requirements used to be ordinary level passes (D3) in 5 subjects to include Maths, english and Irish and a foreign language while ITs required 5 passes to include a pass in maths and english or Irish, so failing Irish would still mean you could get into an IT as long as you passed English and maths. This may have changed in the last few years though. Don't know if foundation maths is still around but it didn't satisfy the maths requirements for most third level courses, except for PLCs and for entering the guards.


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    domrush
    Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭domrush


    Reillyman wrote: »
    Well obviously not if you need French???
    well it doesn't say i need French so...


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    pathway33
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    QuiteInterestin wrote: »
    At least a D3 in ordinary level maths is the minimum requirement for most third level courses either in universities or ITs so if you failed maths you wouldn't receive any CAO offers regardless of grades/points obtained in other subjects as you wouldn't have satisified the minimum requirements. Thats probably why to fail maths was considered as failing the LC.

    Universities minimum requirements used to be ordinary level passes (D3) in 5 subjects to include Maths, english and Irish and a foreign language while ITs required 5 passes to include a pass in maths and english or Irish, so failing Irish would still mean you could get into an IT as long as you passed English and maths. This may have changed in the last few years though. Don't know if foundation maths is still around but it didn't satisfy the maths requirements for most third level courses, except for PLCs and for entering the guards.

    Yes it has. There are courses in UCD, UCC etc etc that you do not need to pass leaving cert maths to enter


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    whelpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭whelpy


    Reillyman wrote: »
    TBH anyone wh fails Ordinary Maths should not be aloud integrate with normal society...

    Which is exactly what i did for the pres....Einstein was always crap at school and so is the junior & leaving cert maths curriciculum, who's to say that??

    Ironically in 4th class i was the only one who knew how to multiply.


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    kev9100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭kev9100


    Reillyman wrote: »
    TBH anyone wh fails Ordinary Maths should not be aloud integrate with normal society...

    What an incredibly stupid comment. You might want to learn how to spell before you criticise anyone.


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    #16
    Reillyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Reillyman


    Hahaha, god folks chill out!

    I guess I've been away too long for all of ye to remember my sarcastic wit? Or my fondness for general mayhem? Haha, ye take the bait way too easily:cool:


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    Diabhal Beag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    Reillyman wrote: »
    Hahaha, god folks chill out!

    I guess I've been away too long for all of ye to remember my sarcastic wit? Or my fondness for general mayhem? Haha, ye take the bait way too easily:cool:
    You were caught out. Get over it.
    I do think that if you feel like you might fail ordinary level maths to work a lot harder at it. Even if you get a D3 you cal leave the subject off of the 6 best subjects.


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    Reillyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Reillyman


    Diabhal Beag wrote: »
    You were caught out. Get over it.

    Haha, do you mean that I wasn't joking until I was "caught out"?

    Yeah I suppose your right, I actually seriously do believe that people who fail a maths test should be banished from all dominions...:rolleyes:


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    Diabhal Beag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    Reillyman wrote: »
    Haha, do you mean that I wasn't joking until I was "caught out"?
    Yes


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    whelpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭whelpy


    Reillyman wrote: »
    Haha, do you mean that I wasn't joking until I was "caught out"?

    Yeah I suppose your right, I actually seriously do believe that people who fail a maths test should be banished from all dominions...:rolleyes:

    Alright i give in, though it was the way you commented; it gave a really negative impression, like i mean you could have included a :rolleyes: or something.


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    #21
    HxGH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 767 ✭✭✭HxGH


    You can fail your LC...

    You need to fail 5 exams or something?


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    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,229 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    HxGH wrote: »
    You can fail your LC...

    You need to fail 5 exams or something?

    If you do not get at least 5 OL passes in the Established LC, you are not considered to have LC 'pass' standard. Nothing to do with how many you fail.


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    #23
    JESCANDYMAN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭JESCANDYMAN


    any tips for french orals?


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    #24
    HxGH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 767 ✭✭✭HxGH


    spurious wrote: »
    If you do not get at least 5 OL passes in the Established LC, you are not considered to have LC 'pass' standard. Nothing to do with how many you fail.

    Thank you (Now to correct my English teacher! MWhuhahahahaha!)


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