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PS3 Firmware (v3.21) Update 1st April

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  • #202
    Varik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,562 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    I just want to ask if PSN was still available to those that do not update(with no tricks) would this be a problem, when the only loss of not updating will be the future releases in firmware and games that will require them?
    You paid for what you got on the day, you can only get more if Sony lets you or allow you to buy it, for example the DSi, it's still a DS can i expect Nintendo to make every thing for it be supported on my old DS.
    If Sony were idiots(or bigger idiots?)and when they made the slim it was a ps3.1 that was need to play Gow 3 would you have a right to compensation as you have an old phat.
    And if Sony started charging for PSN is that not the same, you bought the ps3 when it had free online and then it doesn't, people keep talking about rumour that PSN will have a fee all the time and no complaints about changing what you bought.

    just to finish i been looking at my ps3 box only say it has broadband connectivity for easy access to PSN not PSN itself.


  • #203
    projectmayhem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    I think its a pretty good cross section of the PS3 users ive come into contact with. The vast majority of PS3 users ive played with are all pretty decent.

    Most people who listen to music that I talk to are pretty decent too... but when albums are readily available online they're first in that line to download them illegally. Don't for a second think that downloading won't be rampant with custom firmware because PS3 users are "decent". I'm sure PSP users are lovely people - who just happen to have ruined the console's development cycles by downloading half of the content.
    Grumpypants wrote: »
    While 1 million is a large number of downloads (i fully support microsoft going after those users on criminal grounds). Even with modern warfare the most popular game in a long time only 10% of sales went to pirates. Would all of those downloaders have bought the game if the xbox was unhackable? who knows.

    "Only" 10%? I don't think you're quite grasping the effect that has on an industry. If 10% of all games were pirated we wouldn't have an indie games industry at all.

    If the machine wasn't unlocked, would they download? It's hard to tell. You'd need good metrics to see if they play regularly or just wanted to "try before you buy". Having said that, it shouldn't matter. If you want to try it out first you could just rent from xtra-vision. That keeps the industry ticking over. Outright downloading does nothing but give yourself millions of euro worth of software for nothing.
    Grumpypants wrote: »
    You could also look at it like this 50mill ish xbox's sold and only 1million MW2 downloads thats 2% of xbox users pirated the most popular game Thats a truer reflection of the scale of piracy on a machine riddled with it.

    But no one's talking about all 360's sold versus the number of games bought. That's an incredibly naive argument. If 10million copies were sold and 1 million downloaded, that's a valuable metric. 50mil 360's sold and 1mil downloaded copies of MW2 has nothing to do with showing how piracy is rampant. Sure, it's an indication of the numbers who have hacked 360's, but there's probably more hacked 360's then that who have no access to Live so didn't bother with MW2. Or those who simply don't care about the game, etc. It's not a valuable metric when you can't break it down. 10% of all MW2 copies on 360 are pirated. That's a valuable metric.
    Grumpypants wrote: »
    My point all along has been anti piracy measures should not impact on honest users. Im fully behind Microsoft banning consoles that are hacked. As the user made that choice. As i would support Sony doing something similar if the PS3 was hacked I fully support them taking criminal charges against anyone downloading a game (not hacking the machine its very different). I get annoyed when the measures introduced affect the normal users. I get annoyed when companies over blow piracy to do things they shouldn't. It reminds me a little of the US policy of striping away civil liberties to "protect" is citizens from terrorism. Some people will say its wrong to treat everyone as a threat others will say its ok as long as it protects us all. (not comparing piracy to terrorism before someone makes a smart comment its a likeness to the reaction)

    We're on the same page here. I couldn't possibly agree more. Having 100 ads on a DVD before the film starts with trailers, warnings and FBI logo's makes it far more attractive to just download the film file and watch it without the crap. Adding incredibly invasive software onto game discs for PC also makes it more attractive to download games that don't have this software bundled on them.
    Grumpypants wrote: »
    On the 2nd point i think it shows Sony are willing to loose the people who want to hack their PS3 anyway. The only difference it makes to Sony if they loose them now or in 3 years, is that Sony will loose out on 3 years worth of software sales. If Sony dont mind loosing 3 years of sales to potential pirates then why make such a song and dance about loosing the same amount of sales in 3 years time.

    I don't think Sony wants to lose anyone to be honest. The people who own PS3's now buy games. They have to - there is no piracy on the system. However, they have to hurt those willing to pirate games.


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