Stamullen Weekend Races (16-18/04/2010) [was Stamullen Grand Prix....]

petethedrummer

You'll just bend the bike more. it'll by like cycling a bowl of spaghetti. You need a whole new bike. Lumen can justify it with more figures.

hynesie

Elessar wrote: »

Seemed like a good weekend.

Can anyone who was there let me know was there an ambulance on scene to attend fallers and if so, what service was it?

I believe I was the only faller over the weekend (apart from the guy who cycled into the grass at the start of the race on Sat).
Ambulance was great, got me patched up and ready to race on Sunday ... pity they can't straighten wheels and fix helmets.
They even texted me before the race yesterday wondering if I'd like my dressings changed ... I was very impressed. Unfortunately I only spotted the text when I was stopped at a petrol station on the way home from the race.
So it's a big thanks to The Order of Malta from me.

RobFowl

hynesie wrote: »

I believe I was the only faller over the weekend (apart from the guy who cycled into the grass at the start of the race on Sat).
Ambulance was great, got me patched up and ready to race on Sunday ... pity they can't straighten wheels and fix helmets.
They even texted me before the race yesterday wondering if I'd like my dressings changed ... I was very impressed. Unfortunately I only spotted the text when I was stopped at a petrol station on the way home from the race.
So it's a big thanks to The Order of Malta from me.

I think there was at least one other !

Though absolutely agree on the Order of Malta and St John of God ambulances. They provide an invaluable service and without them I'm not sure road racing would exist in this country.

DirkVoodoo

I found a photo of myself, I think. If you look over Lumen's left shoulder you might be able to make out a blurred Orwell rider with a blue helmet and white cap:



Awesome, my moment of fame!

alfalad

Lumen wrote: »

As an aside, I now formally renounce any kind of advance planning using Google maps.

There is no Gormanstown, it's Gormanston, although even some of the signs in the area have it wrong. I used to go to school in the college there so hence we were taught the correct spelling. To be fair it's not really a village at all but an area and the train station is a couple of mile from the college and shop.

Glenamaddy there is a lot of history about the castle in the college as well. Cromwell spent a good bit of time there as far as I know!

Raam

alfalad wrote: »

I used to go to school in the college there so hence we were thought the correct spelling.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

TPMAC

serendip wrote: »

I think there was one particular U16 who was WAY out ahead of the rest.

I wouldn't be caught using that one as an argument!

alfalad

Raam wrote: »

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Only on the spelling of Gormanston!! I didn't say I learned anything else in that school!! Great for sport though!!

Thats what I get for eating lunch and typing at the same time!

jimbo28

wondering was i in your group chasing to get back to the bunch? was wearing the columbia htc gear! reading these blogs for long enough so i may as well get involved in the chat! was a tough race lads!!!

DirkVoodoo

jimbo28 wrote: »

wondering was i in your group chasing to get back to the bunch? was wearing the columbia htc gear! reading these blogs for long enough so i may as well get involved in the chat! was a tough race lads!!!

Ah I was in that group after the first clib of the hill where a few worked hard to get back to the main bunch. You were chatting to myself and Pat in the car park at the finish, I was driving a bright blue Punto.

Nice Boardman btw, didn't know they came in white.

jimbo28

good stuff......nice to put a face on a few of the names here. hopefully get to know a few more as the season goes on. will probably meet a few more of "the boardsies" in drogheda next week. boardman is nice and cheap and rides really well.....got the limited edition in white......had to buy the htc gear to go with it..........even if i do take a bit of stick for it : )

Elessar

Thanks to all for the comments re: Order Of Malta. Even though we cover Swords CC races and lots of other cycling around north Dublin, from the pictures it looks like ambulance cover this time was in fact provided by Civil Defence. So fair dues to them aswell.

Regardless of organisation, we all do our best for people who need us!

Lumen

jimbo28 wrote: »

had to buy the htc gear to go with it..........even if i do take a bit of stick for it : )

It doesn't bother me, but I think you're in breach of the rules wearing that gear.

Cycling Ireland Rules wrote:

ARTICLE 2 - COSTUMES AND IDENTIFICATION

...

T5.A2.3. Riders belonging to a Cycling Ireland affiliated club must when competing in an open road race or time trial authorised by Cycling Ireland and organised under Cycling Ireland rules, wear the registered jersey of their affiliated club. In races where a one piece suit is normally worn and a club one piece suit is not available then the rider, with the commissaires agreement, may wear a plain one piece suit.

T5.A2.4. In competitive races where registered club clothing is not mandatory then, with the exception of clothing as referred to in rule T5.A2.5 below, such clothing should not carry any advertising other than the manufacturers logo.

T5.A2.5. Where a rider is competing as a member of a representative or composite team or is entitled to wear a classification leaders jersey or a champions jersey then the conditions as laid down under rule T5.A2.3
above should not apply.

T5.A2.6. For un-attached riders or these riders competing under a Cycling Ireland one-day licence then the conditions as laid down under rule T5.A2.4 above shall apply.

...

Basically it's your club gear if you're in a club or plain gear if you're unattached. Not someone else's club gear.

blorg

jimbo28 wrote: »

wondering was i in your group chasing to get back to the bunch? was wearing the columbia htc gear! reading these blogs for long enough so i may as well get involved in the chat! was a tough race lads!!!

I think I was talking to you about the start location, your car was parked next to ours. We were all Orwell/Dundrum. I was in the A3 race, DirkVoodoo was A4 and in the same group as Lumen.

I heard you get a warning from the commissare at the start line regarding the kit! Seriously, I wouldn't do it, you'll get away with it once but next time you probably won't be allowed start. If you aren't in a club plain kit is allowed.

Raam

Lumen wrote: »

It doesn't bother me, but I think you're in breach of the rules wearing that gear.



Basically it's your club gear if you're in a club or plain gear if you're unattached. Not someone else's club gear.

Oh you Brits and yer adherence to rules :rolleyes:

This is Ireland, sure we'll be grand

DirkVoodoo

Lumen wrote: »

Basically it's plain gear or club gear. Not someone else's club gear.

That guy we were with at the end (also in that photo I see) was wearing Caisse d'Epargne shorts. I was also wearing a Garmin cap and liquigas gloves :O.

Lumen

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

That guy we were with at the end (also in that photo I see) was wearing Caisse d'Epargne shorts. I was also wearing a Garmin cap and liquigas gloves :O.

I don't think anyone cares about accessories - it's the jersey that's the main thing, particularly if you place.

Just explaining the rules as I understand them, as I said I don't care much myself.

DirkVoodoo

Lumen wrote: »

I don't think anyone cares about accessories - it's the jersey that's the main thing, particularly if you place.

Just explaining the rules as I understand them, as I said I don't care much myself.

Hey! I put a lot of effort into those accessories, the least you could be is mildly annoyed!

ryan_sherlock

blorg wrote: »

I heard you get a warning from the commissare at the start line regarding the kit! Seriously, I wouldn't do it, you'll get away with it once but next time you probably won't be allowed start. If you aren't in a club plain kit is allowed.

Yup - must be your club kit or very plain cycling kit. MTB is a little different in that you are allowed personal sponsors (Cyclocross is considered road in this context).

blorg

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Hey! I put a lot of effort into those accessories, the least you could be is mildly annoyed!

You probably would have won were it not for those Liquigas gloves.

GlennaMaddy

blorg wrote: »

I heard you get a warning from the commissare at the start line regarding the kit! Seriously, I wouldn't do it, you'll get away with it once but next time you probably won't be allowed start. If you aren't in a club plain kit is allowed.

The commissares are the same week to week so he'll be watching for the HTC rider at the next race. If you havn't got your gear by the next race and he tries to stop you starting, tell him he's confusing you with your lead-out man..

...or just wear a plain gilet over your jersey.

bcmf

could some unattached riders not wear the new Boards jersey!!

blorg

bcmf wrote: »

could some unattached riders not wear the new Boards jersey!!

I think that would fall foul of the sponsorship rules but I'd imagine they are less likely to jump on it compared to a trade team kit.

bcmf

But what if there were a Team Boards?

yeah I know then you wouldnt be unattached

RobFowl

ARTICLE 2 - COSTUMES AND IDENTIFICATION
1. All riders shall when racing, wear a jersey with sleeves and a pair of shorts, possibly in the form of a one
piece. By shorts it is understood that these come above the knees. Jerseys without sleeves shall be
forbidden.
2. Wearing of rigid safety headgear shall be mandatory in all Cycling Ireland approved cycling events and
during training sessions on track, mountain bike and cyclo cross.
3. Riders belonging to a Cycling Ireland affiliated club must when competing in an open road race or time
trial authorised by Cycling Ireland and organised under Cycling Ireland rules, wear the registered jersey
of their affiliated club. In races where a one piece suit is normally worn and a club one piece suit is not
available then the rider, with the commissaires agreement, may wear a plain one piece suit.
4. In competitive races where registered club clothing is not mandatory then, with the exception of clothing
as referred to in rule T5.A2.5 below, such clothing should not carry any advertising other than the
manufacturers logo.
5. Where a rider is competing as a member of a representative or composite team or is entitled to wear a
classification leaders jersey or a champions jersey then the conditions as laid down under rule T5.A2.3
above should not apply.
6. For un-attached riders or these riders competing under a Cycling Ireland one-day licence then the
conditions as laid down under rule T5.A2.4 above shall apply.
7. Advertising on Club or Provincial clothing is permitted as follows: Jersey: The name, firm or brand name
of the sponsor or sponsors may be shown freely on the jersey and must be declared to Cycling Ireland.
The jersey may carry other advertising, even different depending on the races and countries, with no limit
as to the number of different forms. Shorts: Advertising on the shorts must be contained within a 9cm
wide lateral strip.
8. The wearing of numbers is mandatory in all Cycling Ireland competitive races. However in open time
trials or time trials within a stage race one back or shoulder number may be used.
9. Riders shall ensure that the number panel is visible and legible at all times. The number panel shall be
well fixed and may not be folded or altered in any way.
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10. Numbers where supplied by the race organiser shall generally be black characters on a white
background with the following dimensions.
SIZE OF NUMBER 18 cms (H) x 16 cms (W)
CHARACTERS 10 cms with line thickness 1.5 cm
ADVERTISING maximum height of 6 cms on lower part of number
11. In the case of a lost or disfigured number or licence, a replacement will be issued upon request from
Cycling Ireland, subject to the payment of the appropriate replacement fee.
12. A rider retiring from a race for any reason will remove his numbers. Every rider wearing his number will
be considered as being still in the race whether or not he was the victim of an accident or delayed to a
greater or lesser extent. A rider not wearing his number will be regarded as no longer in the race and will
not interfere in any way with the other riders.
13. Inscriptions on clothing will not be made illegible, covered or defaced in any way from the start of a race
until the rider changes following any lap of honour, presentation or interview immediately after the race.
14. Rain capes if worn must be transparent or in the design and layout of the registered jersey and must not
obscure the riders numbers.

blorg

RobFowl wrote: »

1. All riders shall when racing, wear a jersey with sleeves and a pair of shorts, possibly in the form of a one piece. By shorts it is understood that these come above the knees.

Does that technically make full or 3/4 tights illegal for racing?

shaungil

jimbo28 wrote: »

wondering was i in your group chasing to get back to the bunch? was wearing the columbia htc gear! reading these blogs for long enough so i may as well get involved in the chat! was a tough race lads!!!

Jimbo, I don't do gear or bikes so have no idea. Was it the white gear with green on it. I was Swords top larger build red Specialised. There was about 8/10 after second hill including 2 Orwell guys a St Tiernans lad Glenamddy Swords some lad from the West with a mad thick accent and his helmet really high on his head also a Navan lad(4th). After we turned off the main road and went thru the chicane you went off the front to drag us and I couldn't hold you? Was chatting to you after.

Lumen

All this identification is a bit tough.

We definitely need a boards.ie tent to congregate under before races.

Like this:

blorg

shaungil wrote: »

Was it the white gear with green on it.

No that was someone else. Columbia HTC kit looks like this:

niceonetom

shaungil wrote: »

Jimbo, I don't do gear or bikes so have no idea. Was it the white gear with green on it. I was Swords top larger build red Specialised. There was about 8/10 after second hill including 2 Orwell guys a St Tiernans lad Glenamddy Swords some lad from the West with a mad thick accent and his helmet really high on his head also a Navan lad(4th). After we turned off the main road and went thru the chicane you went off the front to drag us and I couldn't hold you? Was chatting to you after.

I think that white with green jersey is the young rider's jersey from the TOI. Surely even worse than riding gear from a team you don't belong to is wearing a leaders jersey from a different race that you're too bloody old to hold anyway.

niceonetom

blorg wrote: »

Does that technically make full or 3/4 tights illegal for racing?

Come to think of it, I've never seen a pro wear 'em. It's always shorts + warmers, even if there is zero possibility of shedding those warmers later in the day.

E@gle.

The rules on race gear isn't obeyed anyway. sure ya see lads racing in Ag2r and proteam gear etc

Lumen

niceonetom wrote: »

Come to think of it, I've never seen a pro wear 'em. It's always shorts + warmers, even if there is zero possibility of shedding those warmers later in the day.

On a related subject, I have seen pros using generic non-transparent waterproof shells (in the TdF I think), despite that rider identification and sponsor visibility is obviously a big deal in pro cycling.

Raam

Lumen wrote: »

On a related subject, I have seen pros using generic non-transparent waterproof shells (in the TdF I think), despite that rider identification and sponsor visibility is obviously a big deal in pro cycling.

They have their number on their bike anyway. Unless they change bike, of course.

I do like those simple black jackets that simply say CSC or whatever.

blorg

Raam wrote: »

They have their number on their bike anyway. Unless they change bike, of course.

They have transponders too.

ryan_sherlock

E@gle. wrote: »

The rules on race gear isn't obeyed anyway. sure ya see lads racing in Ag2r and proteam gear etc

If you plan on placing in any races then you really must take those rules seriously - they will pull you on it and stop you from racing future events.

Chips Lovell

E@gle. wrote: »

Sure ya see lads racing in Ag2r and proteam gear etc

Which can be a problem when someone who really is on Ag2r is racing, as happens occasionally.

RobFowl

E@gle. wrote: »

The rules on race gear isn't obeyed anyway. sure ya see lads racing in Ag2r and proteam gear etc

el tonto wrote: »

Which can be a problem when someone who really is on Ag2r is racing, as happens occasionally.

Doesn't really matter then as technically the like of us would only see them for the first 1-2 minutes

Esroh

niceonetom wrote: »

I think that white with green jersey is the young rider's jersey from the TOI. Surely even worse than riding gear from a team you don't belong to is wearing a leaders jersey from a different race that you're too bloody old to hold anyway.

If you talking about the guy in the white jersey with green band who was placed on Sat thas the New Galway base Black Rose CC who have changed from the complete white.

An just off topic Gormanstown is actually somewhere near Navan as I used to go by it when we were being driven back to school in Gormanston College in my younger days

shaungil

photos up on irishcycling http://www.irishcycling.com/publish/news/art_4770.shtml

ROK ON

@Shaun. Was that you last night between 730 and 800. Navan rd between Ashtown and Castleknock.
Full Swords gear. Black and red spesh. Motoring.

alfalad

Esroh wrote: »

If you talking about the guy in the white jersey with green band who was placed on Sat thas the New Galway base Black Rose CC who have changed from the complete white.

An just off topic Gormanstown is actually somewhere near Navan as I used to go by it when we were being driven back to school in Gormanston College in my younger days

It's about 35km (22miles) from Navan. So not that close.

jimbo28

shaungil wrote: »

Jimbo, I don't do gear or bikes so have no idea. Was it the white gear with green on it. I was Swords top larger build red Specialised. There was about 8/10 after second hill including 2 Orwell guys a St Tiernans lad Glenamddy Swords some lad from the West with a mad thick accent and his helmet really high on his head also a Navan lad(4th). After we turned off the main road and went thru the chicane you went off the front to drag us and I couldn't hold you? Was chatting to you after.

ya that was me alright, i think tere was 2 of us with mad thick wesht accents . i dint know u fellas were so objective on the kit!!!! lookin forward to drogheda, any idea on the course lads?

Lumen

Esroh wrote: »

If you talking about the guy in the white jersey with green band who was placed on Sat thas the New Galway base Black Rose CC who have changed from the complete white

Good to see him placed in the photos on Sunday, he was working well from the start. His wheels are very distinctive - I had him noted mentally as "aeroboy".

blorg

jimbo28 wrote: »

i dint know u fellas were so objective on the kit!!!!

It's not that we have any particular objection, but it is against the rules and you are better off knowing that as you'll end up disqualified or not allowed to start if you keep showing up in it! Did you hear the commissare giving a warning about it at the start? It was while A3 were lined up to start so you may have missed it. He specifically mentioned the Columbia HTC kit.

shaungil

@ ROK ON no if it was a biggish lad might have been Pat Callally or Paul Kennedy as they are in that neck of the woods. Apparently there's a lot of new Swords members though. My legs are shot after three races would not have made it from Skerries to town.

After looking at the photos I'd hate me I did v little work bar chasing down on the second lap and then jumped in for the sprint. I've become what I used to hate! Promise to do more work the next race and even go for a few breakaways. That Bohermeen lad was steaming up the hill, fair play, a deserving winner.
It does remind me of what a 68 yr old vet still winning races did tell me though. You only need to go to the front once and that's crossing the line.

RobFowl

shaungil wrote: »

It does remind me of what a 68 yr old vet still winning races did tell me though. You only need to go to the front once and that's crossing the line.

Maybe this one ? (winning in Battersown last Sunday )
PS great riding and well done so far shaungil

zzzzzzzz

Videos of the A race:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgzeQfWQb6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFe5QsYCz4

Lumen

RobFowl wrote: »

I love the fact that his wheel decals line up. That must take a lifetime of training.

blorg

aidan.offbeat wrote: »

Videos of the A race:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgzeQfWQb6Q

Nasty, looks like the (Eurocycles?) rider ahead of Dowling didn't hold his line and swooped in front of him, taking him out. What I can make out from the video anyway.