Business UL

Ddemo

Im putting it down no1 anyone else wanting to do it????

cickimc

Yep

I'm predicting points to go up to 420-430! Thats just my own guess!
What you thinking

Ddemo

cickimc wrote: »

Yep

I'm predicting points to go up to 420-430! Thats just my own guess!
What you thinking

yeah i think will be something around that hope not any higher :eek:

where u hoping to stay?

Stryderman

I've business down as No.2, Law and Accounting as No.1 but I'm half thinking of changing them around because I don't think il be too interested in the Law side of things........I'm staying in Kilmurray I think:D

Ddemo

Stryderman wrote: »

I've business down as No.2, Law and Accounting as No.1 but I'm half thinking of changing them around because I don't think il be too interested in the Law side of things........I'm staying in Kilmurray I think:D

staying in kilmurry too better be good

cickimc

I was thinking Kilmurry or maybe PLassey

How long till accommodation in Kilmurry is full or does it fill any of ye guys know

Ddemo

cickimc wrote: »

I was thinking Kilmurry or maybe PLassey

How long till accommodation in Kilmurry is full or does it fill any of ye guys know

well i got my plce so i assume its first come first served
plassey is grand but kilmurray has better facilities stayed down with one my friends during rag week last week was class:D

cickimc

Ya think I might just go with Kilmurry more likely to make it to lectures if I'm living almost on the doorstep

Anybody know what the course is like hours wise/toughness/ and much harder then the financial subjects in school

JoseJones

You'll have feck all hours and no work to do.....have a look on facebook for the UL business students are wasters page, there's a typical timetable of a business student up there......

fullback4glin

This is what JoseJones is on about...

Diary of a business student:

- On Monday I look at my timetable and see that I dont have any college til tomorrow so I go back to bed for the day.

- On Tuesday I walk into college to meet up with friends, meet up for lunch, discuss how little we did the day before and how little we will do for the rest of the week.

- On Wednesday thats rite!! have to meet up with my FYP tutor. oh ya..... I forgot I dont have to do any FYP.... thank god, because four modules is enough already.

- On Thursday...its my most stressful day of the week. After a full 50 minutes in a lecture I must go home, have a shower, get dressed and go to the offie before I head into Angel Lane. That's like over 3 or 4 different things to do in only 1 day. And people say that business studies is easy!!

- On Friday its usually loike 10 o'clock when I wake up, the hangover does be killing me and the walk of shame is different every week. I swear I've spent more hours doing the walk of shame than I have in the library. The spin home at 12 kills me, the stress of planning my weekend gets to me.

- On Saturday and Sunday I catch up with the guys from home, take it easy and recharge my batteries after a hectic week.

Stryderman

fullback4glin wrote: »

This is what JoseJones is on about...

Diary of a business student:

- On Monday I look at my timetable and see that I dont have any college til tomorrow so I go back to bed for the day.

- On Tuesday I walk into college to meet up with friends, meet up for lunch, discuss how little we did the day before and how little we will do for the rest of the week.

- On Wednesday thats rite!! have to meet up with my FYP tutor. oh ya..... I forgot I dont have to do any FYP.... thank god, because four modules is enough already.

- On Thursday...its my most stressful day of the week. After a full 50 minutes in a lecture I must go home, have a shower, get dressed and go to the offie before I head into Angel Lane. That's like over 3 or 4 different things to do in only 1 day. And people say that business studies is easy!!

- On Friday its usually loike 10 o'clock when I wake up, the hangover does be killing me and the walk of shame is different every week. I swear I've spent more hours doing the walk of shame than I have in the library. The spin home at 12 kills me, the stress of planning my weekend gets to me.

- On Saturday and Sunday I catch up with the guys from home, take it easy and recharge my batteries after a hectic week.

I CAN'T WAIT:D sounds perfect!

Sophsxxx

It's no.2 on my CAO.
But after reading the post about the typical business student...it's being booted up to no.1 for sure!

Gael23

See you all there! BBS with french no. 1!
Booked Dromroe.

7 7 7

hey guys, just a quick question about business in UL as im thinking about doing it in september, i saw a facebook group slagging ul business students saying they were wasters and wont be able to get jobs with the degree, is the course as easy as these people let it on to be? and what are job prospects like after this course? ( i know were in a recession but other than that)



I have a feeling these peole are full of ****e but i thought id ask just to make sure anyway thanks!

cson

Short answer no. Because of the numbers in the course it does tend to attract a few types who think its a handy number but as with anything you have to put the work in to get something out of it - a 2.2 BBS will find it tough to get a decent job [in fact impossible to get any form of training contract] whereas a 1.1 BBS will be likely sought after for a training contract.

Mossin and Ninty9er are two BBs-ers on here so they'll give you the full story having graduated from the course while I think there are one or two current BBS students on here too. Do a search of the forum in the meantime.

bobo the clown

as cson said there are lots of job prospects if you do the work, which can be said for every course. People say business students are wasters because our timetable is only 16 hours on average a week and lots of the tests are multiple choice. It is fairly easy to get a degree in business(MCQs) but to get that 2.1 or higher is still very hard. I am myself on 2.2 (just short of 2.1 ) but have 4th year to come.
1 thing i will say is people say 1st year doesnt count towards your degree so just pass. I took this option and don't get me wrong i had best year of my life but did regret it as when going on co-op companies do look at your 1st year results. Co-op offers its own job opportunity aswell as some people go back working with companies after they finish their degrees

Mossin

7 7 7 wrote: »

hey guys, just a quick question about business in UL as im thinking about doing it in september, i saw a facebook group slagging ul business students saying they were wasters and wont be able to get jobs with the degree, is the course as easy as these people let it on to be? and what are job prospects like after this course? ( i know were in a recession but other than that)

Hey 777,

I highly recommend business in UL. I would recommend it time and again to students who have an interest in accounting, marketing, HR, economics etc..

That facebook group is like the millions of other pointless facebook groups made up by people who dont have a fecking clue what they are talking about.

There are aspects to the course which are a doddle, but then again, things are only easy if you know the answer [or know how to work the system].
I made 95%+ of lectures and tutorials during my 4 years doing BBS, and tbh, a fair amount of 1st and 2 year I hated. It wasnt until I majored in Marketing that I really discovered how good the BBS course was.
Saying that however, there is a new BBS course in existence now, but it still covers over 80% of what I did, so I feel I am more than qualified to comment on BBS in UL.

cson wrote: »

Short answer no. Because of the numbers in the course it does tend to attract a few types who think its a handy number but as with anything you have to put the work in to get something out of it - a 2.2 BBS will find it tough to get a decent job [in fact impossible to get any form of training contract] whereas a 1.1 BBS will be likely sought after for a training contract.

I have to agree with CSON here, the large numbers doing BBS each year is down to a lot of people choosing it because they dont know what else to do, and think its a doddle. But this leads to a high drop out rate [18% in 1st year iirc when we did it].
But in order to get good grades, you really have to put in some serious work. I missed out on a 1:1 degree by the skin of my teeth, and thats because I disliked 2nd year. But I buckled down for 3rd and 4th, and for my FYP [no longer compulsory btw, but I'd recommend doing it], and I ended up with excellent results.
I'm now doing a postgrad in UL, in a follow-up postgrad from my minor option, and I think the effort I put into my undergrad has helped me immensely now.

bobo the clown wrote: »

as cson said there are lots of job prospects if you do the work, which can be said for every course. People say business students are wasters because our timetable is only 16 hours on average a week and lots of the tests are multiple choice. It is fairly easy to get a degree in business(MCQs) but to get that 2.1 or higher is still very hard. I am myself on 2.2 (just short of 2.1 ) but have 4th year to come.

Not all classes have MCQ exams, and those that do are often not straight forward either! But I agree that it is easier to get good grades this way than through written exams.
Then again, in the marketing major, there is loads of practical work, and group projects, and written exams [usually 3 essays in 2.5 hours] and extremely worthwhile.

To conclude:
Dont listen to some stupid facebook group.
Talk to the course director, or search this forum for BBS threads, and speak to current students of the course, and I have no doubt that you will find that Business in UL is excellent.

Risteard

I'm in first year in Business and I have to say I really enjoy the course. Due to the size of it, as mentioned before, then there are going to be a few people that won't take it seriously. If you have any interest in accounting, economics, marketing etc. I'd say do it, it gives you a lot of variety in first year and gives you experience in many different areas before you pick your major option.

Cson and Mossin have pretty much summed it up anyway.

bobo the clown

i didnt say there all mcq but i see where your coming from sayin they are not always straight forward. But they are a lot easier than essay q's. Im in 3 rd year but have friends in second year and they have mcq's now for 2 modules i had essay q's 1 being risk management i think..

Ddemo

Im hoping to do Business in September, and am just wondering the points are 385, i know no one knows exactly, but would it be possible for it to go up by 40/50 points because that could be out of my reach. Or will it do the norm and go up by 5/10 points ???

hope someone could help thanks

NTMK

Id say the number of places for Business is big enough not to allow a 40 point jump.

ninty9er

First preference demand for BBS is down, meaning that points are unlikely to increase this year. This is what is actually most harmful to the degree from an employment point of view, how easy it has become to get into, but if you have 410+ points I don't see it being an issue.

In terms of employment prospects, work hard on co-op and you'll get a decent offer. I would have cost my co-op employer and extra €6,000 in exam fees based on my results compared to the "minimum" requirements to get into a trainee placement, as have many of my classmates, but they were still given jobs on 2.2s due to the employer's knowledge of their work, no other University can offer you this.

Do I regret doing BBS? No.
Would I do it again? Maybe.
Would I pick the same major (Accounting & Finance)? Yes, but I think Management shoud,be a major of its own, in which case I would have done that, the accounting teaching is very varied, some is excellent, some is shite. The Finance meant nothing to me and was a waste of my time. If I wanted to do finance, I wouldn't have picked an accounting leaning course, I would have done economics.
Would I do the same minor (HR)?
Definitely. I'd have replaced the finance modules with extra HR. I think there's only 4 of us that have this Degree (A&F, HR Minor). None of us to my recollection have a 1.1 or 2.1, though one might have a 2.1...in any case that's irrelevant. I much preferred this as we got much smaller classes and individual feedback on stuff.
Will I ever use my degree specialisation for professional purposes?
Unlikely. If my year so far in the Union has taught me anything it's that I never want to be an audit accountant (and you essentially have to be for 3 years to get the qualification)
Would I recommend Accounting and Finance as it stands?
No, but nationally it's probably the best of a bad bunch.

What else can university offer?
Well realistically if I had gone to all of my lectures and tutorials, and put in the recommended study time for BBS (2 hours reading, 2 hours study per module per week) I'd have had a 1.1 no bother, but I got involved in Clubs and Socs, sat on its Exec for 3 years and spend about 10 hours a week doing that stuff as well as working 10/15 hours a week and socialising and the normal stuff people do. There's a lot to do at UL, if you come just for the education, you haven't had the UL experience and will ultimately end up regretting it, like I regret putting so much time into course work in first year which doesn't count.

Of course, missing 4 weeks in 2nd year for medical reasons doesn't lend itself to good results come exam time, so I could possibly have gotten a 2.1, but it's only a number, a small part of your CV that may bump you up the interview list, it's up to you to sell yourself when you get there.

sebastianlieken

just what we need, more business students :rolleyes:

fullback4glin

Seb hows John Rae??

JoseJones

I know people who were complaining about having 10 hours a week in 4th year first semester! And no FYP......Some bunch of wasters......

DJCR

JoseJones wrote: »

I know people who were complaining about having 10 hours a week in 4th year first semester! And no FYP......Some bunch of wasters......

I did HR and we had 15 and I was still bitchin...... I was in the library everyday from week 4 trying to get all the projects we had to do done.

Just because there arn't that many hours doesn't mean there isn't a lot of work involved.... we used to walk in, get told we have a project to do due in in two weeks time + given a reading list as long as your arm... and before you say "Ha the reading list, sure you don't have to read them all" .... yes you do!!! Never mind mid terms etc.

THe best laugh I ever got was hearing the engineering masters do 2nd year business and bitching about how much work is in it - especially after they were slagging me for 4 years..... "theres not enough maths in it, theres too much reading" :D:D:D

Gotta love hind sight !!! - THey thought they were gonna have a handy masters.

Sorry.............. computer sez no!!! :D:D

freyners

cson wrote:

Mossin and Ninty9er are two BBs-ers on here

hes a business student :eek: and i voted for him the elections, what have i done:D

7 7 7 wrote:

hey guys, just a quick question about business in UL as im thinking about doing it in september, i saw a facebook group slagging ul business students saying they were wasters and wont be able to get jobs with the degree, is the course as easy as these people let it on to be? and what are job prospects like after this course? ( i know were in a recession but other than that)

Right im living with two business students and there the polar opposites of what a business is. One goes to most of her lectures, works on her course and gets the results to match. However the other does justice to the UL business students are wasters page. shes gone to 4hrs this semester, has missed out on 25 % already cause she hasn't gone to tutorials and probably dropped another 25% cause i dont think shes handed in a project.
Im doing Law and accounting so half my lectures are the same as business. Its not a joke course, you do have to work at the modules your in. The reason the course is slagged off is (like cson said) the course attracts some amount of wasters. If you work at it and recieve a 1.1, you should not have a problem with finding employment

ninty9er

freyners wrote: »

If you work at it and recieve a 1.1, you should not have a problem with finding employment

There are a limited amount of 1.1s. There were 9 out of 300 this year as opposed to 20 out of 58 for Law and Accounting.

I don't mean to moan, and I was nowhere near getting a 1.1, but trust me, if they were marked along the same scale...L&A would probably have only had 7/8 1.1s

I think they get away with it because it's an Arts course.

BBS + French had as many if not more.

Gael23

In relation to hours, I was told it was about 17 a week? Im doing BBs+French so hopefully with some work I should get a good grade.

thomond2006

ryanf1 wrote: »

In relation to hours, I was told it was about 17 a week? Im doing BBs+French so hopefully with some work I should get a good grade.

Yes, it's 17.

freyners

ninty9er wrote:

There are a limited amount of 1.1s. There were 9 out of 300 this year

9 out of 300, are you serious. how can that that be fair?

ninty9er wrote:

as opposed to 20 out of 58 for Law and Accounting.

we got an email from the course director about this, the cut off for a 1.1 is 3.3QCA or there abouts every year.

ninty9er wrote:

I don't mean to moan, and I was nowhere near getting a 1.1, but trust me, if they were marked along the same scale...L&A would probably have only had 7/8 1.1s

I think they get away with it because it's an Arts course.

maybe, maybe not. i dont know the reasons behind the cut-offs or anything like that so i wont argue with ya about it.