Birmingham v Liverpool match thread - Mod Warning #432 & #446

noodler

ButcherOfNog wrote: »

Torres was playing awful, not at the races at all, not surprised he's been taken off

Oh dear.

Kiith

aaronh007 wrote: »

Doesn't matter...it's still Torres. Watch the Villa game for reference. Did nothing all game and scored the winner

and cost me €45 the ****er

SWAR

ButcherOfNog wrote: »

Torres was playing awful, not at the races at all, not surprised he's been taken off

Yes, he's had a tough game; however it's Fernando Torres and we must win this game...I am surprised

magma69

Should be 2-1 down. More pathetic non marking.

whatawaster

Even if n'gog gets a winner, that's a joke.99 times out of a hundred that's a dreadful move.

colly10

ButcherOfNog wrote: »

Torres was playing awful, not at the races at all, not surprised he's been taken off

He's a natural finisher, the only one we have, he only needs to get one chance.

mike65

No my Gog!

K-9

It gets worse.

noodler

I hope all these missed chances don't phase N'Gog.

Bad miss.

Gillington

Should be 1-2

monkey9

Rafa has just opened himself up to a world of pain if this doesn't come off for him. I'm just baffled by that substitution!!

Gerrard's reaction was priceless!!

Kess73

whatawaster wrote: »

Even if n'gog gets a winner, that's a joke.99 times out of a hundred that's a dreadful move.

If N'Gog gets the winner or sets up the winner then it will be a good move. If however we end up drawing or losing, well then taking off your best offensive player starts to look very foolish.

argosy2006

two misses from ngog,,, i wonder who would have put that in the net!!!!!!!!!

SWAR

Ngog just missed a good opportunity...if only it had fell to...oh wait, he's been taken off :rolleyes:

Melion

Nando is holding an ice pack to his knee. Rafa hasnt lost it thank god

whatawaster

Kess73 wrote: »

If N'Gog gets the winner or sets up the winner then it will be a good move. If however we end up drawing or losing, well then taking off your best offensive player starts to look very foolish.

It's a hugely risky move. Now isn't the time for.those

mike65

Torres looked like thunder though.

noodler

Melion wrote: »

Nando is holding an ice pack to his knee. Rafa hasnt lost it thank god

If Nando didn't think it was enough to take him off then I honestly think this game is important enough to risk it.

I honestly wonder whose idea the icepack was at this stage.

colly10

Melion wrote: »

Nando is holding an ice pack to his knee. Rafa hasnt lost it thank god

Well he was surprised to be taken off, so he would have been fine to play on

Kess73

Melion wrote: »

Nando is holding an ice pack to his knee. Rafa hasnt lost it thank god

He did the same when he was taken off during the win against Sunderland last week. So would not put much stock in it.

Melion

This fúcking place sometimes, i swear to god.

Would you lot rather we lost him to ANOTHER injury when we need him the most?

opr

Reports suggest Rafa hadn't seen the goal and thought it was still 0-1 when he took Nando off. Kamaraitis is catching

Opr

colly10

Melion wrote: »

This fúcking place sometimes, i swear to god.

Ye I know, some people will defend Rafa no matter what he does

noodler

Melion wrote: »

This fúcking place sometimes, i swear to god.

Would you lot rather we lost him to ANOTHER injury when we need him the most?

Hilarious post.

Ice pack means nothing as one of the above posters just said. Same thing against Sunderland.

EDIT: I mean all the evidence we have at the moment (Gerrard and Torres reactions) tell you he was perfectly fine to play on and you still come up with that crap.

Kess73

Melion wrote: »

This fúcking place sometimes, i swear to god.

Would you lot rather we lost him to ANOTHER injury when we need him the most?

Judging by the player's reaction to being subbed, it did not appear that he was injured.

magma69

Kevin Philips on. We're goosed. :eek:

Mr Alan

some people here'd wanna get a grip of themselves.

NukaCola

**** sake Rafa....

Kess73

Aquilani on. Might be what we need right now.

Jesus Wept

Melion wrote: »

This fúcking place sometimes, i swear to god.

Would you lot rather we lost him to ANOTHER injury when we need him the most?

We're very nearly amost fúcked for 4th place as is. If we don't get 3 points today, I'd be almost amazed if we get 4th.

We need him on the pitch now imo.

NukaCola

Mr Alan wrote: »

some people here'd wanna get a grip of themselves.

Are you saying no one should question that sub?

noodler

Mr Alan wrote: »

some people here'd wanna get a grip of themselves.

I know, right?

Seriously, given the evidence we have at the moment surely Melion shouldn't be getting all righteous.

colly10

The-Rigger wrote: »

We're very nearly amost fúcked for 4th place as is. If we don't get 3 points today, I'd be almost amazed if we get 4th.

We need him on the pitch now imo.

Yep, if we don't get 3 points today he may as well take an early summer holiday for all it matters

SlickRic

i really hope it's a potential injury that he's preventing.

but Torres' face and body language definitely suggest otherwise.

if it comes to pass that he had no choice but to come off because he was about to do his knee in, fair enough, and i'll give Rafa his dues.

but if not, then sorry, that was one of the most moronic tactical moves i've seen.

whether it comes off or not, no logic in the world suggests you take off your biggest goal threat in a game you need to win, again, unless he's on the verge of doing himself a horrible injury.

flahavaj

noodler wrote: »

Hilarious post.

Ice pack means nothing as one of the above posters just said. Same thing against Sunderland.

EDIT: I mean all the evidence we have at the moment (Gerrard and Torres reactions) tell you he was perfectly fine to play on and you still come up with that crap.

Rafa must think Torres can't play through pain as well.:pac:

Mr Alan

i think its fair to say we've created 3 excellent chances since the sub was made wit ngog involved in them all. torres, as good as he is, is not untouchable, especially when struggling to put a shift in.

whatawaster

If torres thought he was ok he should have continued. We have easier pl games coming up and benfica isn't important. This is must win.

SlickRic

Mr Alan wrote: »

i think its fair to say we've created 3 excellent chances since the sub was made wit ngog involved in them all. torres, as good as he is, is not untouchable, especially when struggling to put a shift in.

then bring N'Gog on for someone else.

for example, Kuyt's barely putting a shift in.

Kess73

N'Gog has lovely control when a ball is played to him. Holds it up well and buys time for other players to get forward.

K-9

The decision is getting more insane with each miss.

citytillidie

Way to many missed chances for Liverpool

argosy2006

we've had enough chances to win two games.

NukaCola

Mr Alan wrote: »

i think its fair to say we've created 3 excellent chances since the sub was made wit ngog involved in them all. torres, as good as he is, is not untouchable, especially when struggling to put a shift in.

Torres only needs one excellent chance.
Bring N'Gog on from someone else.
Stupid from Rafa

Mr Alan

simple question, have we been playing better since the sub was made?

Kess73

If N'Gog scores in the 93rd minute, will that make Rafa a genuis?

flahavaj

Would ye not wait till after the match and hear what the story is with his knee before running for the pitchforks?

Do ye ever give the manager the benefit of the doubt and stop jumping to conclusions?

noodler

Jesus Insua - he really is an unfortunate lad. Just cost us our latest attacking phase of possession through 'injury' - bad call by the ref though.

Kess73

Mr Alan wrote: »

simple question, have we been playing better since the sub was made?

Simple answer is yes since the subs came on.

Glico Man

Kess73 wrote: »

If N'Gog scores in the 93rd minute, will that make Rafa a genuis?

Not after that fluffed chance anyway:mad:

colly10

Mr Alan wrote: »

simple question, have we been playing better since the sub was made?

Simple question, do you think he was right to make the substitution?