Birmingham v Liverpool match thread - Mod Warning #432 & #446

colly10

Mr Alan wrote: »

simple question, have we been playing better since the sub was made?

Simple question, do you think he was right to make the substitution?

citytillidie

Would have been a goal if it was Torres

Kess73

Damn thought that was going to be a goal.

K-9

Mr Alan wrote: »

simple question, have we been playing better since the sub was made?

Yes, but we are missing something, can't quite put my finger on it!

NukaCola

How can anyone defend subbing Torres in a must win game?

noodler

I thought we were the better team before the subs as well tbh.

argosy2006

Could be 2-6 !

SlickRic

ugh, this is madness.

screw this, though i think Torres should've stayed on (if fit!), this has nothing to do with Rafa now.

those players out there should be finishing these chances.

colly10

flahavaj wrote: »

Would ye not wait till after the match and hear what the story is with his knee before running for the pitchforks?

Do you feel that Rafa will saying anything other than he's carrying an injury, Nandos reaction says all you need to know

flahavaj

BumbleBee123 wrote: »

How can anyone defend subbing Torres in a must win game?

How can anyone be so up in arms about it when there a possibility he was injured? Better maybe to find out the facts first?

mayordenis

pathetic

SWAR

flahavaj wrote: »

Would ye not wait till after the match and hear what the story is with his knee before running for the pitchforks?

Do ye ever give the manager the benefit of the doubt and stop jumping to conclusions?

Was Torres' reaction, never mind Gerrards' reaction, not enough to suggest that he could of stayed on the pitch?

Full time 1-1

noodler

N'Gog will get so much stick now poor lad.

We are looking down the barrel.

Rockee

I could cry

Holsten

4th is totally gone now.

With the chances that came towards the end Torres would have put away at least one.

Rafa..... you idiot.

flahavaj

colly10 wrote: »

Do you feel that Rafa will saying anything other than he's carrying an injury, Nandos reaction says all you need to know

No player is ever happy to come off to be fair, even when they're injured. look at fabregas the other night.

Why use Torres' reaction as evidence to criticise Rafa but ignore the ice pack on his knee, which is equally if not more compelling evidence?

noodler

flahavaj wrote: »

How can anyone be so up in arms about it when there a possibility he was injured? Better maybe to find out the facts first?

His reaction?

Glico Man

noodler wrote: »

N'Gog will get so much stick now poor lad.

I hope not cos he played very well when he came on. Its just that...he should have come on for someone else...

SlickRic

too many chances missed.

the subs worked to an extent, but we took off our most potent finisher.

i've no clue what to think, other than it's ridiculous that we didn't win that game.

Kess73

Torres coming off will no doubt be the talking point, and if there is no injury then my opinion of that sub will change, but that alone is not what cost us three points today.

The overall performance was poor today, and there was no feeling that the players wanted the win badly.

It was only as the subs came on, that a sense of urgency started to emerge.

Two very big points dropped today.

NukaCola

flahavaj wrote: »

How can anyone be so up in arms about it when there a possibility he was injured? Better maybe to find out the facts first?

Look at his face coming off FFS!

missingtime

That was nothing short of torture.

noodler

If only Aqualani played full games.

colly10

BumbleBee123 wrote: »

How can anyone defend subbing Torres in a must win game?

Some will defend anything, no matter what it is, I would have thought this was a bit much but obviously not

Esse85

Great to see Birmingham do Villa a favour :-)

flahavaj

SWAR wrote: »

Was Torres' reaction, never mind Gerrards' reaction, not enough to suggest that he could of stayed on the pitch?

Full time 1-1

No. Was teh ice pack not enough evidence to the contrary.

All I'm saying is wait to hear the fact before you make up your mind.

evil_seed

nobody to blame but ourselves. ball watching for the goal and then couldnt score at least 1 of 6 chances inthe last 10 minutes or so. bye bye 4th place

Kold

Liverpool need to make sure they make the Europa League now.

magma69

Rockee wrote: »

I could cry

Go for it. We don't judge here. I'm in need of some group therapy myself. It's either that or or going a killing spree but I don't want to get blood on my Sunday best.

noodler

flahavaj wrote: »

No. Was teh ice pack not enough evidence to the contrary.

All I'm saying is wait to hear the fact before you make up your mind.

Did you not read that Torres had an icepack after the Sunderland game?

You are totally avoiding the reaction point as well.

Pot Noodle =

Esse85 wrote: »

Great to see Birmingham do Villa a favour :-)

:mad:we dont do Favours:P

Sir Gallagher

Anybody wondering why Gerrard has looked completely disinterested this season need only look at that match, surrounded by mediocrity on and off the pitch.

SantryRed

Always a draw

jesus_thats_gre

Annoying result. Had enough decent chances to finish the match off but didn't take them. Simple as that really.

Mr Alan

colly10 wrote: »

Simple question, do you think he was right to make the substitution?

Wouldn't have called it myself, but in hindsight we started totally dominating after it was made with ngog creating or being on the end of everything, something Nando hadn't done once in the game. If the definition of a good substitution is one that affects play positively for the benefit of your team, then anyone who says it wasn't a good one is lying.

NukaCola

flahavaj wrote: »

All I'm saying is wait to hear the fact before you make up your mind.

Agreed....
All i'm saying is taking him off when he seemed fine is madness in a must win game...

Tusky

Poor performance. Turgid first half with a definite improvement in the second. So many of our attacking players were totally ineffective going forward though. Thats probably the end of the race for 4th - just cant see us winning all of our remaining games.

Esse85

Everton could yet finish ahead of Liverpool at this rate.

noodler

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Anybody wondering why Gerrard has looked completely disinterested this season need only look at that match, surrounded by mediocrity on and off the pitch.

Thats a silly point to make.

Gerrard has been as awful as anyone at times this season - this pedestal we put him on, even when he plays utter cack, is frighteningly unfair on the other players.

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colly10

Mr Alan wrote: »

Wouldn't have called it myself, but in hindsight we started totally dominating after it was made with ngog creating or being on the end of everything, something Nando hadn't done once in the game. If the definition of a good substitution is one that affects play positively for the benefit of your team, then anyone who says it wasn't a good one is lying.

We had plenty of chances after the subs were made but none were taken, our best finisher by a mile was off the pitch

Jesus Wept

Kold wrote: »

Liverpool need to make sure they make the Europa League now.

How come?

I couldn't give a sh1te about it, I think it's ridiculous that you can drop out of the Champions League and into it, that's not right.

SWAR

flahavaj wrote: »

No. Was teh ice pack not enough evidence to the contrary.

All I'm saying is wait to hear the fact before you make up your mind.

No, no it wasn't, means fcuk all, both he and Gerrard could not actually believe what they were looking at. I'm just after seeing his and Gerrards' reaction once again. I'm not watching it on a stream so it's clear as day that he could of continued. Have you seen it? If you haven't, you will know what everyone means when you do.

I just can't believe some people are defending this decision.

bUILDERtHEbOB

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Anybody wondering why Gerrard has looked completely disinterested this season need only look at that match, surrounded by mediocrity on and off the pitch.

If you think that's justification for him as a club captain then I think I'm going to give up on football fans.

Seriously, if he's not arsed because he doesn't rate Lucas then he may as well leave in the summer, and if you think he's right then you should support team Gerrard somewhere else, because frankly it's pathetic.

That being said however I have no idea who you support and could have got this completely wrong, but oh well.

flahavaj

noodler wrote: »

Did you not read that Torres had an icepack after the Sunderland game?

You are totally avoiding the reaction point as well.

Show me a player who ever looked happy to be subbed.

Again I repeat, ye are jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts. Possibly being a tad hasty.

It may turn out that the substitution was tactical, in which case knock yeerselves out, slag your manager all ye like.

But you don't know that for sure yet, basing it on players' reactions is laughable.

Rockee

magma69 wrote: »

Go for it. We don't judge here. I'm in need of some group therapy myself. It's either that or or going a killing spree but I don't want to get blood on my Sunday best.

Sick of Easter eggs, sick of Rafa.

Boggles

4th & Rafa gone. Mixed day for the Scouse.

noodler

flahavaj wrote: »

Show me a player who ever looked happy to be subbed.

Again I repeat, ye are jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts. Possibly being a tad hasty.

It may turn out that the substitution was tactical, in which case knock yeerselves out, slag your manager all ye like.

But you don't know that for sure yet, basing it on players' reactions is laughable.

You are turning into an absolute joke on front of our eyes, you know that?

I am just going to ignore you for a while - you are just looking for a reaction.

monkey9

I'd love to hear the reasons that Rafa will give for the substitution!!

Ironically, for me, we got a lot better when Torres went off. It wasn't one of his better performances!

N'gog, Maxi , even Babel maybe all should have scored!!

noodler

bUILDERtHEbOB wrote: »

If you think that's justification for him as a club captain then I think I'm going to give up on football fans.

Seriously, if he's not arsed because he doesn't rate Lucas then he may as well leave in the summer, and if you think he's right then you should support team Gerrard somewhere else, because frankly it's pathetic.

That being said however I have no idea who you support and could have got this completely wrong, but oh well.

100% Correct.