Manchester United vs. FC Bayern München - Champions League Q/Final 2nd Leg

nullzero

Chucky the tree wrote: »

haha be serious? So it's okay to asked for players to be booked if they have been fouled a few times?

No it's not, but I wasn't raising the issue.
It's wrong regardless of who does it, but he didn't get anyone sent off for it did he?
I hate players rolling around on the ground (Arjen Robben anyone?) and it should be stmaped out, but again I didn't raise the issue, in fairness.

opr

ntlbell wrote: »

i never knew once = plenty

explain...

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYcLnkScxNU

Opr

OPENROAD

Some great stuff from Dunphy tonight " whiskey and pistol" comment :D:D:D:D

Mikeyt086

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

What the hell are you on about???
Read the posts man, most posts in here are about the game, fair enough a few are about tv coverage of the game and a few about fergusons reaction after the game but I think that constitutes part of the game talk unless I'm wrong!!

Its Liverpool v United.

Again. Although some people just love that. I never understood it though. Sharing opinions is one thing, but actually slagging off people you dont know on the net is another, whats the point like?

Obviously not directed at you, but every match thread gets like this. Stupid arguments about **** all and clubs that arnt involved get dragged in.

ntlbell

blueser wrote: »

he asked for an escort out of anfield..

OPENROAD

Christ Fergies comments :eek::eek::eek:

efb

Nemanja91 wrote: »

Should just make it 3e - home of sh1t

There's good things on 3e.....eh, American Office?

peabutler

United have a poor squad of players no doubt but it won't take much to make them a top quality team. A bit of devolpment of some youngsters and one or two shrewd signings will do a big lot for them.

opr

ntlbell wrote: »

he asked for an escort out of anfield..

The point is all teams do it so stop crying about it!

Opr

ntlbell

opr wrote: »

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYcLnkScxNU

Opr

what has that got to do with how many times valencia questioned the referee?

btw is that the trebble winning team or|

Pro. F

nullzero wrote: »

When it was 11 against 11, United tore strips of Bayern Munich. Van Buyten and Van Bommel were consistently fouling players, Van Buyten in perticular was targeting Rooneys weak ankle, recieved a yellow for his troubles and pertsisted to commit the same foul without consequence. Van Bommel got a yellow card and then commited a professional foul on Rafael, and was let away with it. Rafael deseverved to be sent off for stupidity alone, but why could the rules not be applied evenly for both sides?

United destroyed Munich in the first half, Bayern were fortunate to finish that half with 11 men as opposed to 9 and got a well taken and lucky goal. The second half started well for them and before United had a chance to attamept to hit their stride they were a man down.

Rafael was stupid and showed his inexperience by getting booked stupidly in the first half and allowing himself to be played by Ribery in the second. He also should have squared a cross to Rooney to put the tie to bed.

All that aside, the game was ruined after the sending off and Bayern were gifted a semi final appearance.

I can understand how the many ABU's here will have loved the result, but the way in which it was achieved was hardly fair.
Had United played as dreadfully as they did last week Bayern would have deserved to go through, but as it stands they went through on luck and a poor set of decisions from the ref which made the second half less of a contest than a procession.

Nah man, you have to give Bayern credit for taking advantage of the good fortune that came their way. When they got the numerical advantage they made the most out of it and used their passing to kill us off.

For all our pressing and chasing and desire (which really was good) we never showed an ability to get the ball down and pass it around for a few minutes.

KittyeeTrix

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Its Liverpool v United.

Again. Although some people just love that. I never understood it though. Sharing opinions is one thing, but actually slagging off people you dont know on the net is another, whats the point like?

Obviously not directed at you, but every match thread gets like this. Stupid arguments about **** all and clubs that arnt involved get dragged in.

I get your point:)

Aidric

Stekelly wrote: »

Youth didnt cost anything, player did. Plenty of youth playing great stuff, Messi isnt exactly winding up his career.

Stop being stupidly pedantic. I am referring to Rafael, you know that youthful full back who plays for us. His indiscipline turned the game on its head.

BERBA

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

I'm actually getting disturbed by the amount of times I've agreed with you lately!!:eek:

Not healthy for a City supporter:D

manc derby will be spicy sat week

Ordinary man

Kirnsy wrote: »

in fairness both were iron cast yellows. The red was deserved IMO. Less so that Bayern go through but such is life

If the second was a deserved yellow, then soccer has become more of a no contact sport than basketball.

timetogetfit

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_6079174,00.html

hope the above is not true

ntlbell

opr wrote: »

The point is all teams do it so stop crying about it!

Opr

sorry, did i cry about it| or bring it up

i think you have me mixed up with someone else.

i just questioned the amount of times valenica was claimed to have asked players to be booked

you understand the difference?

right?

right?

nullzero

murpho999 wrote: »

Wow, I didn't know Alex Ferguson used Boards?

The fact is that Utd let a 3 goal lead slip. That is a bad performance.
Sending off was of course important to the game, but how many times have you seen teams down to 10 men defend leads or even go out and score a winner. Good tactics combined with a good performance can make 10 men very difficult to beat.

Also, the winner was a great finish by Robben, which had nothing to do with sending off, and should have been better defended by Utd.

Please don't use the 10 men as an excuse, yes it was an important factor but you have lost a 3 goal lead and the tie, which in my eyes is a bad performance. Game is about playing for 90 minutes not 45.

Funny, you're a funny guy.

The sending off could be use as an excuse, but it was the decision that changed the game.
Van Bommel's foul on Rafael was worse than Rafael's foul on Ribery, so surely both should have recieved a second yellow and then a 10 v 10 would have been the result and thats before we think about the consistant professional fouling by Van Buyten on Rooney.
The ref did ok for most of the game, but he's made mistakes on the big decisions that had the ability to influence the outcome of the game.

Enjoy your "victory", I'm guessing you're not an ardent Bayern Munich fan.
I'm a United fan and I hate Liverpool, but I'd find it hard to take the time to bother wallowing in their failure.

GLaDOS

murpho999 wrote: »

Wow, I didn't know Alex Ferguson used Boards?

The fact is that Utd let a 3 goal lead slip. That is a bad performance.
Sending off was of course important to the game, but how many times have you seen teams down to 10 men defend leads or even go out and score a winner. Good tactics combined with a good performance can make 10 men very difficult to beat.

Also, the winner was a great finish by Robben, which had nothing to do with sending off, and should have been better defended by Utd.

Please don't use the 10 men as an excuse, yes it was an important factor but you have lost a 3 goal lead and the tie, which in my eyes is a bad performance. Game is about playing for 90 minutes not 45.

2 goal lead actually

flahavaj

rarnes1 wrote: »

Spot on Flah. Still was funny to see him say it.

If he'd replaced the word German with Nazi imagine the meltdown !

It actually makes losing a little easier to bear, looking forward to the post match interview to see who he decides to be controversial about, just to put the flak on himself.

You can amost see him debating it in his head.

"Will I say German or Nazi. I'd love to say Nazi, I'm in a p*sser of a mood after that little f*cker Rafael got sent off. Better be on the safe side and say German though, don't want any more trouble with the FA. God I need a whiskey."

Chucky the tree

nullzero wrote: »

No it's not, but I wasn't raising the issue.
It's wrong regardless of who does it, but he didn't get anyone sent off for it did he?
I hate players rolling around on the ground (Arjen Robben anyone?) and it should be stmaped out, but again I didn't raise the issue, in fairness.

It doesn't matter if he got sent off or not. He still tried to do it, which is what you should have issue with and not the result(or lack of) from him doing it. Rolling around is part of the game, like it or not and it is here to stay so time to get used to it.

nullzero

Pro. F wrote: »

Nah man, you have to give Bayern credit for taking advantage of the good fortune that came their way. When they got the numerical advantage they made the most out of it and used their passing to kill us off.

For all our pressing and chasing and desire (which really was good) we never showed an ability to get the ball down and pass it around for a few minutes.

Your point is valid but it's also true that the referee's decisions influenced the game far too much.
Bayern took advantage, but they didn't exactly destroy us either. Had the boot been on the other foot I would have expected a much more assured performance from any united side. Bayern did get lucky even if United could have done more.

BERBA

nullzero wrote: »

Funny, you're a funny guy.

The sending off could be use as an excuse, but it was the decision that changed the game.
Van Bommel's foul on Rafael was worse than Rafael's foul on Ribery, so surely both should have recieved a second yellow and then a 10 v 10 would have been the result and thats before we think about the consistant professional fouling by Van Buyten on Rooney.
The ref did ok for most of the game, but he's made mistakes on the big decisions that had the ability to influence the outcome of the game.

Enjoy your "victory", I'm guessing you're not an ardent Bayern Munich fan.
I'm a United fan and I hate Liverpool, but I'd find it hard to take the time to bother wallowing in their failure.

ref got the sending off spot on , they were 2 blatant yellow cards

opr

ntlbell wrote: »

sorry, did i cry about it| or bring it up

i think you have me mixed up with someone else.

i just questioned the amount of times valenica was claimed to have asked players to be booked

you understand the difference?

right?

right?

That was once, i think you answered that it your own post. Then you are found of asking and answering your own questions.

Opr

flahavaj

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

I'm actually getting disturbed by the amount of times I've agreed with you lately!!:eek:

Not healthy for a City supporter:D

Getting scary alright.

Just to get back to a normal even keel: Tevez is a big fat loser.:pac:

nullzero

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It doesn't matter if he got sent off or not. He still tried to do it, which is what you should have issue with and not the result(or lack of) from him doing it. Rolling around is part of the game, like it or not and it is here to stay so time to get used to it.

That's a laughable statement.
I wasn't defending what Valencia was doing, I was highlighting the pointlessness of the other poster's comment.

I don't think rolling around is a part of the game, nor should we get used to it, we should insist that it should stop.
If everyone had your attitude the human race would never have achieved anything.

mada999

Ush1 wrote: »

Game of 2 halfs as the cliche goes.
Sending off will be argued for eternity. Well done Bavarians.

both challenges were bookable offences imo.... simple decision..

Have to say utd blew it... Bayern tried their best to lose the game and still won... i've never seen a worse defense ever... shocking

dont see where all this Carrick bashing is about... where was Fletcher??

still think if utd had 11 men for the whole game they would have went through..
Young Rafael makes challenges like that every time i see him play in the premiership and stays on the pitch... about time a ref sent him off...


Fergies psychological gamble of starting Rooney was a good choice but he has paid the price now... keeping a £30+ million player on the bench all season and for an important game....if that was any other manager he would be slated in the press...

Kirnsy

Ordinary man wrote: »

If the second was a deserved yellow, then soccer has become more of a no contact sport than basketball.

It isn't about the amount of contact you make. You can tackle extremely hard as long as you get the ball. In this case it was a cynical pull of the jersey/player (no more than a small tug) when Ribery was attacking and had left him for dead. Definite yellow.

Johner

Robben - hehe. Wish we still had him.

newballsplease

Why are people even questioning if it was a sending off?
1st yellow 100% yes
2nd Yellow 100% yes

= red.

Im dissapointed, but I have to say why Rooney stayed on the pitch that long was beyond me. It shows no faith in his other strikers particurly Berbatov. Rooney looked like a cripple at times.


It reminds me why Fergie didnt hold on to Tevez. He would have been great to have on the pitch tonight.

BERBA

dunphy on about inter last night and sneijder free kick ...he said the japanese fella honda jumped in the wall for the free kick"

classic dunphy!

Nalz

Holy Moses!

Great Tv, unluck Manchester United. Harsh enough sending off but Munich did well. 2 bookable offenses = a red so no major complaints.

Michael Carrick - what can I say?

Barcelona will be difficult to beat now, its gonna be Messi!

Chucky the tree

nullzero wrote: »

That's a laughable statement.
I wasn't defending what Valencia was doing, I was highlighting the pointlessness of the other poster's comment.

I don't think rolling around is a part of the game, nor should we get used to it, we should insist that it should stop.
If everyone had your attitude the human race would never have achieved anything.

why was it pointless? He brought it up to highlight how hypocritical United fans were being about Ribrery and those other Germans. Insist all you like, it won't change a thing. Although you're more welcome to quote this post and rub it in my face when it does.

newballsplease

BERBA wrote: »

dunphy on about inter last night and sneijder free kick ...he said the japanese fella honda jumped in the wall for the free kick"

classic dunphy!

It was a good point in that, the wall shouldnt have jumped.
If you look at the way the free kick was about to be struck, it was clear he was going for power through the wall( in other words, he wasnt curling it over the wall into a corner)

Professey Chin

Kirnsy wrote: »

It isn't about the amount of contact you make. You can tackle extremely hard as long as you get the ball. In this case it was a cynical pull of the jersey/player (no more than a small tug) when Ribery was attacking and had left him for dead. Definite yellow.

Seriously?He held the arm for a second and Ribery didn't even break stride the second being held.He went another 5/6 yards at full speed after Raf had left go then slowed up running sideways into Raf with his arm up which is when the ref blew.

Mikeyt086

TEVEZ LEFT MANCHESTER UNITED BECAUSE SIR ALEX COULD NOT GUARENTEE HIM FIRST TEAM FOOTBALL. MAN CITY COULD SO HE LEFT.

For the love of god. Its not like United didnt try.

Kirnsy

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Seriously?He held the arm for a second and Ribery didn't even break stride the second being held.He went another 5/6 yards at full speed after Raf had left go then slowed up running sideways into Raf with his arm up which is when the ref blew.

But its not what Ribery did or didn't do its what Rafael did. You said it yourself. He held (I would say pulled) Ribery's arm for a second from behind him in an effort to make up the ground. Whether Ribery is strong enough to shake him off is beside the point. It was cynical (but naiive in a strange contradiction) and Raf deserved to get his second yellow.

KittyeeTrix

flahavaj wrote: »

Getting scary alright.

Just to get back to a normal even keel: Tevez is a big fat loser.:pac:

Yeah right!!:D:rolleyes:

If that's the case ye could've done with another "big fat loser" on the field tonight with the one ye had on tonight already:pac:

nullzero

Chucky the tree wrote: »

why was it pointless? He brought it up to highlight how hypocritical United fans were being about Ribrery and those other Germans. Insist all you like, it won't change a thing. Although you're more welcome to quote this post and rub it in my face when it does.

Was I arguing that point? No.
"Football fans in hypocrisy shocker".
I know that all football fans will be hypocritical in these situations, I'm not one of them.
The point Mr Alan made was daft. It's so obvious it doesnt bear discussion. Footballers act stupid reagardless of who they play for. I'm a United fan, but I'm not a blinkered fool.

newballsplease

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

TEVEZ LEFT MANCHESTER UNITED BECAUSE SIR ALEX COULD NOT GUARENTEE HIM FIRST TEAM FOOTBALL. MAN CITY COULD SO HE LEFT.

For the love of god. Its not like United didnt try.

No it isnt.

Spiritoftheseventies

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

TEVEZ LEFT MANCHESTER UNITED BECAUSE SIR ALEX COULD NOT GUARENTEE HIM FIRST TEAM FOOTBALL. MAN CITY COULD SO HE LEFT.

For the love of god. Its not like United didnt try.

And you have to wonder why it was that Fergie couldnt offer him first team football. The one got got way I think

mada999

Aidric wrote: »

I am a little disappointed in Fergie's lack of graciousness but the man is absolutely seething. Two season turning results in the space of a few days. One lost to a shocking officials call and tonight the inexperience of youth costing us the game.

he had the option of not playing Rafael and starting the more experienced O'Shea....

BERBA

mada999 wrote: »

he had the option of not playing Rafael and starting the more experienced O'Shea....

o shea hadnt played in 6 months , think he should have started the neveller, should have gone for experience

Johner

Robben's celebration was ace.

Spiritoftheseventies

Turning point for me was when Rafael had Rooney inside him and chose to go it alone. Would probably have killed off the game. Not sure if Dunphy's contention that the era of Fergie is over but it is probably coming to an end.

newballsplease

BERBA wrote: »

o shea hadnt played in 6 months , think he should have started the neveller, should have gone for experience

Neville whos having a nitemare lately? and the handball leading up to the freekick in the 1st game?

Pro. F

Just on Ferguson's post match comments:
He asked for a massive physical and mental commitment from his players tonight and he absolutely got it. He's right to praise his players and say that the other team were just lucky (and even a bit shady). The fact that it's untrue is irrelevant. He has started the process of rebuilding the players' confidence, he's made them feel hard done by and he has re-affirmed his faith in them. The fact that he has drawn flak onto himself is just an added bonus, Carrington will feel like a fortress over the next few days when the press start going crazy. It's pieces of brilliance like this that have made him so successful.

SDTimeout

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

And you have to wonder why it was that Fergie couldnt offer him first team football. The one got got way I think

Haven't united not mainly played a 4-5-1 this season ?

greendom

BERBA wrote: »

o shea hadnt played in 6 months , think he should have started the neveller, should have gone for experience

Ribery went past him at will last week

Pro. F

Pro. F wrote: »

Just on Ferguson's post match comments:
He asked for a massive physical and mental commitment from his players tonight and he absolutely got it. He's right to praise his players and say that the other team were just lucky (and even a bit shady). The fact that it's untrue is irrelevant. He has started the process of rebuilding the players' confidence, he's made them feel hard done by and he has re-affirmed his faith in them. The fact that he has drawn flak onto himself is just an added bonus, Carrington will feel like a fortress over the next few days when the press start going crazy. It's pieces of brilliance like this that have made him so successful.

Pro F gets it