The Angelus

tadghoc

Anyone else think it's about time we got rid of the angelus. It's our tv license money that pays for it.

If you had a show called "The Atheist Hour" you'd have aul biddies complaining that their license money is going to poor use.

So why don't we kick up a bit of a fuss about the angelus?

Memnoch

tadghoc wrote: »

Anyone else think it's about time we got rid of the angelus. It's our tv license money that pays for it.

If you had a show called "The Atheist Hour" you'd have aul biddies complaining that their license money is going to poor use.

So why don't we kick up a bit of a fuss about the angelus?

Pick our battles tbh. I'd rather focus on separation of religious influence from schools.

robinph

I thought someone important had died when I first encountered the bongs whilst waiting for the news to come on.

iUseVi

tadghoc wrote: »

Anyone else think it's about time we got rid of the angelus. It's our tv license money that pays for it.

If you had a show called "The Atheist Hour" you'd have aul biddies complaining that their license money is going to poor use.

So why don't we kick up a bit of a fuss about the angelus?

It hardly costs a lot, and its better than most adverts tbh. So I don't think theres a case to be made from the "I'm paying the license fee" argument.

When less than 50% put Christianity on the census I think you'll have a point.

If it lasted an hour rather than 30 secs then yeah thats an issue.

itac

Why not get rid of everything you don't like on t.v. then? I don't like the lotto draw being broadcast, I think it's pointless, and it's taxpayers money paying for that....;)
I'm not being argumentative, but there is a certain amount of the population who are probably still quite religious, and like/enjoy the Angelus. At the end of the day, I doubt the budget is huge on it, and it's only a minute long. I like it because it reminds me that I've only got a minute before the news starts & I should really have my cuppa ready!
Maybe in another 10/15 years time, when that generation has gone on, and the country is populated by mainly lapsed Catholics/agnostics/differing religions, it'll be gone....maybe...!

Edit: iUseVi, I think you just read my mind

iUseVi

itac wrote: »

Why not get rid of everything you don't like on t.v. then? I don't like the lotto draw being broadcast, I think it's pointles, and it's taxpayers money paying for that....;)
I'm not being argumentative, but there is a certain amount of the population who are probably still quite religious, and like/enjoy the Angelus. At the end of the day, I doubt the budget is huge on it, and it's only a minute long. I like it because it reminds me that I've only got a minute before the news starts & I should really have my cuppa ready!
Maybe in another 10/15 years time, when that generation has gone on, and the country is populated by mainly lapsed Catholics/agnostics/differing religions, it'll be gone....maybe...!

Edit: iUseVi, I think you just read my mind

I agree, tbh I hardly watch RTE at all these days. Maybe if theres a good film on and then they'll ruin that by cutting off the credits. :P

tadghoc

Memnoch wrote: »

Pick our battles tbh. I'd rather focus on separation of religious influence from schools.

Baby steps.

iUseVi wrote: »

It hardly costs a lot, and its better than most adverts tbh. So I don't think theres a case to be made from the "I'm paying the license fee" argument.

It's more a matter of principle than cost. There's also some other show a prayer before bed or something along those lines

dvpower

I find it quite handy. You can catch the headlines on the BBC and then switch over to RTE for the start of the news.

Anyway, a lot of people seem to like it. I can't see the point myself; if you wanted a minute of quiet reflection couldn't you do that during the ad breaks? Or tape it once and play it back whenever you felt the need?

axer

itac wrote: »

Why not get rid of everything you don't like on t.v. then? I don't like the lotto draw being broadcast, I think it's pointles, and it's taxpayers money paying for that....;)
I'm not being argumentative, but there is a certain amount of the population who are probably still quite religious, and like/enjoy the Angelus. At the end of the day, I doubt the budget is huge on it, and it's only a minute long. I like it because it reminds me that I've only got a minute before the news starts & I should really have my cuppa ready!
Maybe in another 10/15 years time, when that generation has gone on, and the country is populated by mainly lapsed Catholics/agnostics/differing religions, it'll be gone....maybe...!

Edit: iUseVi, I think you just read my mind

I can see it now:
Old Catholic Woman: wasn't that a lovely angelus...I wonder what they'll have on tomorrow

axer

itac wrote: »

Maybe in another 10/15 years time, when that generation has gone on, and the country is populated by mainly lapsed Catholics/agnostics/differing religions, it'll be gone....maybe...!

Yep but maybe we could start airing the Islamic call to prayer.

dvpower

tadghoc wrote: »

Baby steps.

Attacking the Angelus wouldn't be a stepping stone to anything. It would be seen as a petty and vindictive move; take the Angelus from people who are genuinely attached to it, and for what?

It would be a pyrrhic victory. A campaign against the Angelus would hinder progress in important areas like the secularisation of the school system.

Dades

I don't give a darn if they show the Angelus or not. A few bongs, some folk reflecting, whatever!

What I do think is that people calling for the Angelus to be pulled are going to turn plenty of nominally religious people against secularist folk with a real agenda - such as ending church involvement in state run schools.

PeterIanStaker

I really think there are bigger fish to fry than taking a tape recorded bell off the tv. We should instead take religion out of the constitution and out of schools.

bleg

Dong.

Galvasean

dvpower wrote: »

Attacking the Angelus wouldn't be a stepping stone to anything. It would be seen as a petty and vindictive move; take the Angelus from people who are genuinely attached to it, and for what?

It would be a pyrrhic victory. A campaign against the Angelus would hinder progress in important areas like the secularisation of the school system.

I'm with you on this. It would come across as petty to the extreme. I'd rather see the paedophile priests brought to justice and the scholl system revamped.

mehfesto

The angelus is merely a reminder that Thr Simpsons is on.

Erren Music

mehfesto wrote: »

The angelus is merely a reminder that Thr Simpsons is on.

Classic, pity it's not funny any more.

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

I really think there are bigger fish to fry than taking a tape recorded bell off the tv. We should instead take religion out of the constitution and out of schools.

Galvasean wrote: »

I'm with you on this. It would come across as petty to the extreme. I'd rather see the paedophile priests brought to justice and the scholl system revamped.

I have a DREAM

Sea Sharp

Why don't we get rid of the modern western calender and use Star Trek's star date as well.
After all, some of the months are named after ancient gods that we shouldn't have to worship.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Ickle Magoo

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

Why don't we get rid of the modern western calender and use Star Trek's star date as well.
After all, some of the months are named after ancient gods that we shouldn't have to worship.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sorry? You worship Thor because there is a day named after him?

Maximilian

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

Why don't we get rid of the modern western calender and use Star Trek's star date as well.
After all, some of the months are named after ancient gods that we shouldn't have to worship.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

The calendar doesn't require a belief in god, fairies or the borg. Also, it's pretty useful.

Sea Sharp

Ickle Magoo wrote: »

Sorry? You worship Thor because there is a day named after him?

Yea, totally!!!

The calendar doesn't require a belief in god, fairies or the borg. Also, it's pretty useful.

The same could be said about the Angelus, no?
Both the calender and the Angelus have religious origins but have outlived this.

Maximilian

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

Yea, totally!!!


The same could be said about the Angelus, no?
Both the calender and the Angelus have religious origins but have outlived this.

Er. No. The Angelus is religious worship thing is it not? It serves no purpose other than for the religious. Or is it an alarm clock for the unemployed? And wasn't the calendar adopted by Julius Caesar?

Sea Sharp

Maximilian wrote: »

Er. No. The Angelus is religious worship thing is it not? It serves no purpose other than for the religious. Or is it an alarm clock for the unemployed? And wasn't the calendar adopted by Julius Caesar?

That's how it started anyways. A few minutes of the day to take time to pray AFAIK. But Iit has gone beyond that and is now merely an RTE tradition in my opinion.
The calender was adopted by Caeser but was religious in origin. i.e. January is called after the Roman god Janus, February is named after the Roman god Februus.

The people that demand that the Angelus be taken off air should be equally outraged by the sinister, religious Roman calender.

Dades

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

The people that demand that the Angelus be taken off air should be equally outraged by the sinister, religious Roman calender.

You're continuing to miss the point.

Just because the Angelus is a tradition doesn't mean it isn't still serving the same purpose it was originally intended for. It's a religious interlude. The bells are church bells. They images may not be all nuns and rosary beads like it used to be but it hasn't become secular imitation - non-religious don't get called to prayer by bells.

The Roman calender is simply days and months.

Sea Sharp

Just because the Angelus is a tradition doesn't mean it isn't still serving the same purpose it was originally intended for. It's a religious interlude. The bells are church bells. They images may not be all nuns and rosary beads like it used to be but it hasn't become secular imitation - non-religious don't get called to prayer by bells.

Well until the Angelus does show nuns and rosary beads or tries to ram Catholicism down my throat I'm putting it in the same category as the Roman calender (in terms of things worth caring about.)

Maximilian

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

Well until the Angelus does show nuns and rosary beads or tries to ram Catholicism down my throat I'm putting it in the same category as the Roman calender (in terms of things worth caring about.)

The Angelus is a call to prayer. Comparing it to the calandar is like comparing it to the metric system. Go the whole hog and say you agree with prayers, as long as they are in japanese and you can't understand them.

hiorta

The Islamic Mullahs use somerthing similar to call their punters to prayer - or is it merely to emphasise control.
I'd have thought that prayer is a spontaneous opening that may occur anytime and any place without prompting.

Wacker

hiorta wrote: »

I'd have thought that prayer is a spontaneous opening that may occur anytime and any place without prompting.

That's Irritable Bowel Syndrome you're thinking of. Easy mistake to make.

hiorta

Aye, right enough. There are similarities.

Dades

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

Well until the Angelus does show nuns and rosary beads or tries to ram Catholicism down my throat I'm putting it in the same category as the Roman calender (in terms of things worth caring about.)

Here we agree.

Flash86

Personally, I love watching people staring into the middle distance.

CoalBucket

it lets me know its 6 o'clock, leave it on