El Clásico - Saturday, 10 Apr 2010 - 9pm

Mr.Nice Guy

I can see Real winning this by a goal as their home form is outstanding. It will probably be decided by something like a set piece.

eZe^

Ush1 wrote: »

Can not wait for this, game of the season I reckon!

I worry about C.Ronaldo up against Maxwell, bit of a mismatch. Reckon he will start Sergio or Toure in mid? Perhaps Toure since Sergio played most of the 2 legs against Arsenal, personally I prefer Yaya there anyway to keep an eye on if Maxwell gets beaten for pace.

I hope Yaya starts too, Busquets was a disaster in the last Clasico. I'd like to see us line up;

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Porn Star

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Alves

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Pique

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Puyol

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Maxwell--

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Xavi

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Busquets

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Iniesta

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Ibra

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Henry

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If Ibra isn't fit put in Bojan. I think Pedro needs a break tbh, he was very disappointing in both Arsenal games.

kinaldo

I think Madrid will somehow scrape over the line and win by a goal, possibly with the help of the crowd and ref. Barca are due another defeat.

¡Hala Madrid!

kinaldo

Good times, seems a long time even though it was barely two years ago.

redout

Sky Sports - El Clásico interviews

karma_

Being a city fan I still cannot help but like Barca, love they way they play football and the club's history, were I not a city supporter I would definitely be a Barca fan.

go Barca!

¡No Paseràn!

RandolphEsq

redout wrote: »

Hormone injections costing £500 per month at the age of 11?!? :eek: Roid machine

yahoo_moe

eZe^ wrote: »

I hope Yaya starts too, Busquets was a disaster in the last Clasico. I'd like to see us line up;

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Porn Star

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Alves

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Pique

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Puyol

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Maxwell--

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Xavi

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Busquets

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Iniesta

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Ibra

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Henry

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Shouldn't you put him in your team then? :pac:

With Toure in for Busquets though, I'd agree that'd be Barca's best option. You pretty much have to play Henry against Madrid after all...

Mr.Nice Guy

Surprised at these rumours Real could leave out Van Der Vaart. If they do I think it's a very foolish move. Let's hope form gets the nod over reputation.

Davaeo09

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Valdes

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Alves

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Pique

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Puyol

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Maxwell--

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Xavi

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Toure

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Iniesta

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Ibra

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Henry

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That is our best line up possible tbh..
With subs like, Pedro, Keita and Bojan possible we can bring on 3 very fresh 3 players in the later stages of the game..

I sense a very fast fluid opening few minutes with Madrid going 1-0 up early on
Barca's over all quiality and the above 3 players coming on late in the game with fresh legs.... I am going to be bold and say

3-2 to Barcelona..

Ush1

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Surprised at these rumours Real could leave out Van Der Vaart. If they do I think it's a very foolish move. Let's hope form gets the nod over reputation.

Did he start their last game? Kaka is out and Guti has said this will be his last Clasico. Alonso is back from suspension. Granero may also start ahead of VDV.

gimmick

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Surprised at these rumours Real could leave out Van Der Vaart. If they do I think it's a very foolish move. Let's hope form gets the nod over reputation.

Lets hope not , but if Kaka starts then it is proof positive that Pelligrini is gone and that Florez picks the team. VDV has been immense in recent months.

Granero will no way get the nod over VDV, I would be shocked (but quite happy) if he started.

Ush1

gimmick wrote: »

Lets hope not , but if Kaka starts then it is proof positive that Pelligrini is gone and that Florez picks the team. VDV has been immense in recent months.

Granero will no way get the nod over VDV, I would be shocked (but quite happy) if he started.

Kaka looks like he's out.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2010/04/07/1867646/real-madrids-kaka-will-miss-el-clasico-report

I'd say it will most likely be Lass, Alonso, VDV, C.Ronaldo, Higuain and Marcelo on the left.

gimmick

The ref for tmr Manuel Mejuto González is, by all accounts, a tool

Here is the stats of Manuel Gonzalez

Matches refereed at Madrid = 22

Wins = 18

Draws = 4

Lost = 0

Penalties

For Madrid = 6

Against Madrid = 2

According to Hristo Stoickhov - "I hope Mejuto has the balls to call what happens on the pitch"

According to Sport :

Madrid has not lost a league match with Mejuto whistling from the last century! The last time Mejuto refereed a defeat was on November 28, 1999, at the stage of Balaídos against Celta de Vigo (1-0) with a goal of then former Real Madrid and future blaugrana Albert Celades. From that day, Mejuto started 22 games at Real Madrid, with a spectacular favorable balance of 18 wins, four draws and . .. no losses.

redout

Ibra is actually out :eek:

Barca squad:
Valdés, Pinto, Alves, Puyol, Piqué, Maxwell, Chygrinskiy, Touré, Márquez, Keita, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Jeffren, Pedro, Henry, Bojan, Messi



EDIT: Change in Ibra status

redout

The Joy of Six: Real Madrid v Barcelona El Clásico classics

1) Barcelona 3-0 Real Madrid; Real Madrid 11-1 Barcelona (Copa del Generalísimo, 1943)
When, exactly, did Real Madrid become known as the Régime Team? Nobody knows for sure. It wasn't long after General Franco finally seized control of all Spain in 1939 that the despot slipped into a minor funk when Sevilla beat his hometown side Racing Ferrol in that year's cup final. It's also on record that he'd helped out Athletic de Madrid immediately after the civil war, merging them with the airforce team, renaming them Athletic Aviación (and later the more Spanish-friendly Atlético Aviación), then forcing the best young players into military service so they could turn out for this new fighting-fit side.

Still, he wasn't obsessed with one side in particular, more with simply keeping down anyone with an independent thought in their head. Like the Catalans, for example. And when Barcelona found themselves 3-0 up after their home leg of their 1943 Spanish Cup semi-final, despite being kicked all around their Las Corts stadium by opponents Real Madrid, something had to be done.

Franco's régime got to work. First they ensured the atmosphere in the return leg at Real's Chamartin stadium would be super-oppressive. The crowd at Las Corts had, oh so outrageously, supported their own team, ran an ostensibly serious argument published ahead of the match in Madrid-based newspaper Ya. These Las Corts hoodlums had "whistled at the Madrid players with the clear intention of attacking the representatives of Spain". My. In turn, Madrid's crowd were encouraged to reciprocate – and to this end were given free whistles upon entrance to the ground, a tasty atmosphere guaranteed.

Then on the day of the match, to make sure Barça's players got the centralist message, Spain's director of state security visited their dressing room just before kick-off. Packing a loaded gun – though some Madridistas question the packed piece – he quietly reminded the visitors that "you are only playing because of the generosity of the regime that has forgiven you for your lack of patriotism". A singular inspirational team talk having been delivered, the following kickabout was only ever going to end one way. Real scored early, then made it two on the half-hour, whereupon Barça, fearing lethal consequences, properly capitulated; it was 8-0 to Madrid by half-time. The second half was a relative non-event, the game ending 11-1.

Still, much good it did Real. They lost the final 1-0 to the Basques of Atletico Bilbao, much to Franco's displeasure, while nobody except the most myopic Madridista takes their record win over Barcelona seriously these days. The most embarrassing scoreline in the history of El Clásico? Perhaps, but only for Real. Though that's only if we're not counting that risible 6-2 defeat at the Bernabéu last year.

2) Real Madrid 5-0 Barcelona (La Liga, 1953-54)
In March 1952, Real were 19 years into a championship drought when Millonarios of Bogota took part in a friendly tournament at Chamartin to celebrate the Spanish club's 50th anniversary. In the Colombian club's first match, against Sweden's Norkoeping, little-known Argentinian midfielder Alfredo di Stefano scored twice. In their second, playing the birthday boys, Di Stefano bagged another two. With both Real and Barcelona scouts sitting in the stand nodding like hipsters appreciating the far-out syncopations of modal jazz, the chase was suddenly on to sign this freeform genius.

Problem was, who should they attempt to buy Di Stefano from? He had walked out on Argentinian side River Plate to join Millonarios in 1949, but the cowboy Colombian league was unrecognised by Fifa at the time, leaving a terrible tangle of red tape. Barcelona made their move in 1953, agreeing in principle a deal with River Plate, who were happy to sell providing Millonarios agreed. Which they didn't. Not that it stopped Di Stefano, who left for Barcelona anyway, playing for the Catalans in a couple of friendlies.

Then Real got involved, paying Millonarios 1.5m pesetas for the player. Barça responded by giving River Plate 4m pesetas. Which is when things became überfarcical. The Spanish federation passed a law banning the purchase of foreign stars. It looked like Di Stefano would end up at Juventus. At which point the regime changed their mind, lifting the ban on foreigners, and suggesting Real and Barça share Di Stefano, season by season. Utterly fed up with the machinations of Madrid-based government, and shafted through several axis and beyond all reason, Barça pulled out in exasperation, Real giving them the 4m pesetas they had put on the River Plate.

Two weeks after signing for Real, Di Stefano made his El Clásico bow, scoring four goals in a 5-0 win. An instant legend, his 29 goals in that 1953-54 season helped Real to their first title in 21 years. The following season saw Real record another 5-0 home win against Barcelona, and bag another title, one that allowed them entry into the inaugural European Cup. And everyone knows what happened then. Especially in Catalonia.

3) Real Madrid 3-1 Barcelona, Barcelona 1-3 Real Madrid (European Cup, 1959-60)
Barcelona hadn't won a La Liga title for five years when Helenio Herrera left Os Belenenses for Las Corts in 1958. In the interim, their great rivals Real Madrid had racked up three titles and two European Cups – and were about to add another league and European double to that tally. Under Herrera, things slowly began to change.

Herrera didn't make any major changes, but then he didn't need to; he had Sandor Kocsis, Zoltan Czibor, Luis Suarez and Laszlo Kubala at his disposal. Toying with an early version of overlapping full-backs, he almost immediately led Barça to a 6-0 win over a London XI in the 1958 Fairs Cup final, then in his first full season won a league and cup double, beating Real Madrid 3-0 en route. A second league title quickly followed.

But Barça were about to shoot themselves in the foot. Herrera started leaving a booze-soaked Kubala out of the team, causing friction with his biggest-name player and the majority of the Barça board. President Francesc Miro-Sans initially backed his manager, but when Herrera sided with his players in a dispute over bonus payments ahead of their 1959-60 European Cup semi-final against Real, he rubbed Miro-Sans up the wrong way. The subsequent 6-2 aggregate defeat against the perennial champions of Europe – a hammer blow to a Barça side fed up of seeing their closest rivals dominate the continental scene – saw Herrera initially suspended, then quickly sent skittering down La Rambla on the more padded sections of his fundament.

It was an act of supreme folly. Herrera went to Internazionale, wasting little time in building La Grande Inter and winning three Serie A titles and two European Cups. Barça's trophy haul in Herrara's wake wasn't so impressive. Oh no.

4) Real Madrid 2-2 Barcelona, Barcelona 2-1 Real Madrid (European Cup, 1960-61)
Actually, Barça's sacking of Herrera didn't initially appear the act of folly it proved to be. Immediately after the Argentinian departed, Barça retained their Fairs Cup. Then, four months into the following campaign, their greatest dream came sweetly true.

Fourteen days after Barça's aforementioned 1958-60 Fairs Cup win, Real Madrid had delivered their signature performance, thrashing Eintract Frankfurt 7-3 in the 1960 European Cup final. They had retained their trophy. And it was their trophy: they had won every single European Cup and had never failed to win a European fixture at the Bernabéu. But some things are just written. And sure enough, Spanish champions Barcelona were drawn against European champions Real in the second round of the 1960-61 European Cup. It would prove a controversial battle.

Both legs were refereed by Englishmen and on both occasions the officials angered Real. In the first leg at the Bernabeu, Real were 2-1 up with three minutes to play when referee Arthur Ellis ignored a linesman flagging Sandor Kocsis offside, waved play on, then blew for a penalty when the Hungarian was fouled. Barcelona equalised and for the first time in the tournament's history, a team left Real's stadium unbeaten.

In the second leg, referee Reg Leafe disallowed four goals, three of them by Real. "Leafe was Barcelona's best player," said Real president Santiago Bernabéu after the match, a fact borne out by footage which offers little supporting evidence in the way of foul play ahead of any of them. But it made no difference. Real were out, with Di Stefano suggesting Uefa were fed up with Real's domination of "their cup".

And so to that Herrera folly. Barcelona reached the European Cup final, but would be beaten by Benfica. They had to wait another 31 years to win their first European Cup. In the shorter term, Real had the last laugh, beating Barcelona 5-3 in the Camp Nou two weeks later, then winning La Liga, 20 points clear of fourth-placed Barça. The Catalans then watched in horror as Real made it five La Liga titles in a row, a run which culminated – in the succession of Herrera's two-times European champs Inter – as kings of the continent in 1966. Ye ye.

Barça did not win La Liga for another 13 years.

5) Real Madrid 0-5 Barcelona (La Liga, 1973-74)
But when they did, it was payback time for the Di Stefano affair. Sort of. Barça had lined up Ajax superstar Johan Cruyff in August 1973, but dithered over paying what looked like ending up as a world-record fee. Real, possibly simply to annoy, dangled a crazy £1m cheque in front of Ajax and the Dutchman, but their cheeky bid for the era's greatest player was scuppered when Barça bit the bullet and quickly rushed through the deal for a boundary-breaking £922,000.

Cruyff's first visit to the Bernabéu as a Barcelona player would become arguably the greatest night in Barcelona's history. Cruyff bossed the game, setting up three goals, scoring another with a languid, mazy run, and making Real's spanking-new star signing Gunther Netzer look very ordinary indeed. Barça won 5-0, and went on to enjoy their first title-winning season since 1960.

To level-headed neutrals, Cruyff's legendary 'Impossible Goal' against reigning champions Atlético Madrid, which saw him backheel a right-wing cross into the top-left corner at head height, had been that season's top moment. But for Barça fans, the parallels with Di Stefano were impossible to ignore: a five-goal win over the enemy, and the end of an overlong title drought. So this game was the highlight, the best evening ever. (And also the highlight of Cruyff's anti-climatic Catalan playing career, as his Barça made no mark in Europe, failing to win any more league titles. But that's another story.)

6) Barcelona 5-0 Real Madrid (La Liga, 1993-94) and Real Madrid 5-0 Barcelona (La Liga, 1994-95)
Cruyff would make more of a mark on Barça as manager, leading the club to their first European Cup in 1992 and four consecutive La Liga titles between 1990-91 and 1993-94. Danish winger Michael Laudrup was the heartbeat of that side – the Dream Team – but found himself marginalised after Cruyff bought Romario in the summer of 1993. Even so – and despite falling out with Cruyff over his treatment – Laudrup starred in Barcelona's early-season 5-0 humping of Real Madrid. But it was his last big game with the club: after being forced to watch both the second El Clásico of the campaign and Barça's capitulation in the European Cup final to AC Milan from the stand, Laudrup demanded a transfer.

He went, sure enough, to Real Madrid. Whereupon the script wrote itself. Laudrup's first appearance in an El Clásico since helping Barça to a 5-0 win ended in – you already know this – a 5-0 victory for his new team Real. And having won four titles in a row with the Dream Team, he became Barça's living nightmare, removing their La Liga crown and delivering it to Real, his personal fifth title in a row.

Guardian

redout

Sergio Ramos will be the last line of defence should all else fail to stop Messi according to the Madrid press.


Real Madrid squad
Iker Casillas, Dudek, Arbeloa, Sergio Ramos, Raul Albiol, Garay Metzelder, Marcelo, Gago, Xabi Alonso, Mahamadou Diarra, 'Lass', Guti, Granero, Van der Vaart Cristiano Ronaldo, Raul, Higuain, Benzema

gimmick

redout wrote: »

Ibra is actually out :eek:

Absolute 100% disaster, between this and Abidal missing out.

Heres hoping there is a miraculous recovery. Ibras presense alone tmr night would be huge, instead now, there is the mis firing Henry and the inexperienced Pedro and Bojan to accompany the Messiah.

redout

gimmick wrote: »

Absolute 100% disaster, between this and Abidal missing out.

Heres hoping there is a miraculous recovery. Ibras presense alone tmr night would be huge, instead now, there is the mis firing Henry and the inexperienced Pedro and Bojan to accompany the Messiah.

I reckon Henry is a definite starter now. I cant see Bojan leading the line against Madrid. He will find it tough I reckon. Expect to see Messi moving central at times.

gimmick

Ya, not ideal. Thought I reckon Messi will start through the centre like he has been doing in recent weeks.

I predicted a 1-3 the other day. I have gone more pessimistic than what I usually am this morning and have to change to 3-1 Mardid :mad:

redout

gimmick wrote: »

Ya, not ideal. Thought I reckon Messi will start through the centre like he has been doing in recent weeks.

I predicted a 1-3 the other day. I have gone more pessimistic than what I usually am this morning and have to change to 3-1 Mardid :mad:

Henry had Sergio Ramos in his pocket last season at the Bernabeu although that was out on the left and Barca were untouchable then. Pep is a good man for sticking to his youth players (see busquets) though so no big surprise if he went with Bojan. My fear is that a front trio of Pedro, Bojan and Messi will find it physically intimadating against a bigger fired up Real backline who traditionally are very heavy handed against Barca.

Ush1

redout wrote: »

Henry had Sergio Ramos in his pocket last season at the Bernabeu although that was out on the left and Barca were untouchable then. Pep is a good man for sticking to his youth players (see busquets) though so no big surprise if he went with Bojan. My fear is that a front trio of Pedro, Bojan and Messi will find it physically intimadating against a bigger fired up Real backline who traditionally are very heavy handed against Barca.

Agree.
Misfiring or not Henry has to be in to put the Madrid defence under some physical pressure.

Benz is back for Madrid aswell? Ughh, gut is telling me along with the ref and Bernabeu factor that Madrid can do this.:(

Davaeo09

Ibra being out has made me rethink my line up

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Puyol

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Iniesta

Keita to help out with Ronaldo.
I honestly hate seeing Xavi and Iniesta not side by side in the middle but at least this way Barca can compete with the strong Madrid back 4.
Iniesta vs Ramos would be interesting
Toure needs to boss that mid field way more than he has ever done ever before for Barcelona. If he can break down Madrids attacks quickly Xavi can push forward just like he did in last years 6-2


Madrid have it all there way in my opinion, if Alonso and Ronaldo are allowed space to beat players and feed Higuian Barcelona will struggle..

Also I expect this match to be very very patient as both teams will fear each other and a simple mistake or slip and the other team will have the win.
Re-thinking my earlier predictions to a 2-2 draw or a 2-1 win for Barca (heres for hoping *fingers crossed)

Ramble ramble ramble

Can't wait for the match now :pac:

redout

Some excellent vintage El Clásico footage on Barca tv at the moment.

Stoichkov, Roberto Carlos, Seedorf, Redondo, Luis Enrique, Mijatovic, Raul, Suker Rivaldo, Figo all on the same pitch

Mr.Nice Guy

gimmick wrote: »

Lets hope not , but if Kaka starts then it is proof positive that Pelligrini is gone and that Florez picks the team. VDV has been immense in recent months.

Granero will no way get the nod over VDV, I would be shocked (but quite happy) if he started.

Yeah it would have been a joke if he got left out but it looks like he's in now that Kaka seems to be missing.

Should be a fascinating contest in the middle of the pitch.

SlickRic

completely pointless post time...

I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS!

that is all.

Davaeo09

Looking forward to this match is almost like Christmas was for my childhood years, I won't sleep tonight...

and yes I know I need help

redout

Former Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon has announced on the eve of El Clásico that he has been expelled as a club member and lies the blame solely at the feet of current President and arch enemy Florentino Perez. There will be a meeting of the assembly in the coming weeks to ratify the expulsion.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

I have a feling Madrid might sneak it now with Ibra being out. Still gonna back Barca though:p, just can't back against God, tbh.

eZe^

Davaeo09 wrote: »

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I agree with you 100% on this team, it's the only way I can see us having a chance of getting 3 points. That team is much more capable defensively too, which will be key if we plan on trying to shut out the likes of Higuain and Ronaldo.

redout

I read a report saying Real will get Ronaldo to attack down the left so as to keep Alves busy and make him less inclined to go forward. Could be interesting but not sure if it will happen.

CorkMan

SantryRed wrote: »

Messi already has 39 goals this season? :eek: Jesus Christ.

and theres 8 games left in La Liga and potentially 3 in the champions league. Counting his form this season he should get over 50 goals.

He also has the most assists in the league as well (9)

redout

Barca have landed in Madrid within the past hour

SantryRed

This is going to be great.

Pro. F

redout wrote: »

Barca have landed in Madrid within the past hour

jaysus the state of him. looks geeeyed drunk

Davaeo09

eZe^ wrote: »

I agree with you 100% on this team, it's the only way I can see us having a chance of getting 3 points. That team is much more capable defensively too, which will be key if we plan on trying to shut out the likes of Higuain and Ronaldo.

Yep those are my exact feelings, this set up is better able to "battle" it out with Madrid, which is exactly the type of match I expect. Plus then Pedro, Busquets and Bojan or who ever it be can come on and make quite an impact. This match probably won't be decided by skill or any individual, I expect it to be a very, very tight game with both teams being very cautious.

BUT :pac:

Pep has said his team need to be bold and get Madrid on the back foot from the off - if this happens Madrid will be torn apart, their mentality coming into big games seems to be their down fall.

Cannot wait!

Davaeo09

Excuse the double post.

But at the above comment about Messi being drunk, did any one see Messi as he celebrated on top of the open top double decker bus!? Absolutely hilarious, if I can find the video I will post it in the Barcelona thread

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Awh that weather looks soooo nice.:p

CorkMan

what i'd give to be in Madrid now. Seeing the match, then picking up some wans on the way back to El Hótel.

The buers out there have asses like pringles

adrian522

Can anyone recomend a pub in dublin that would be good to watch this in, good atmosphere etc. Was thinking of the globe, any other ideas...

redout

adrian522 wrote: »

Can anyone recomend a pub in dublin that would be good to watch this in, good atmosphere etc. Was thinking of the globe, any other ideas...

Murrays on upper O'Connell street is home to Dublins official Barca Penya (official Barca supporters club)

gimmick

Beers in the fridge, ready to go for this. Buddies calling up, few dirty Madristas as well, so fingers crossed for a great game with an awesome result

postalservice

Davaeo09 wrote: »

Excuse the double post.

But at the above comment about Messi being drunk, did any one see Messi as he celebrated on top of the open top double decker bus!? Absolutely hilarious, if I can find the video I will post it in the Barcelona thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdRJKz00oq0

:cool:

Davaeo09

postalservice wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdRJKz00oq0

:cool:

Thanks but I already posted it in the Barcelona thread like I said I would :pac:

Getting closer, and the goosebumps just won't go away!

Any neutrals here? Just wondering who it is you want to win :pac:

HalloweenJack

Davaeo09 wrote: »

Any neutrals here? Just wondering who it is you want to win :pac:

I'm living in Madrid at the mo so Barca to shut up the Real fans.

Davaeo09

HalloweenJack wrote: »

I'm living in Madrid at the mo so Barca to shut up the Real fans.

Whats the atmosphere in Madrid like? Nervous? Confident? Over confident? :pac:
Only a few hours away! :O

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Davaeo09 wrote: »

Thanks but I already posted it in the Barcelona thread like I said I would :pac:

Getting closer, and the goosebumps just won't go away!

Any neutrals here? Just wondering who it is you want to win :pac:

Barca, by a long stretch.

• I hate Real Madrid, the way they tap-up players, their cockyness etc.
• Messi, my God I love that man.:P
• The way Barca play, just so fluid.

Come on BARCA!

IvySlayer

A fantastic day I spent in St Stephens Green, Ringsend, brilliant lunch in hotel, now having an impromptu barbeque and a feast of football to enjoy later on

redout

Guti will not be playing according to the press though I doubt he was realistically going to feature anyway. Seemingly it is punishment for saying this week that he will be leaving the cub in the summer and turning up late for the last training session. Florentino was not best pleased

redout

Hard to believe but despite the fact there is over 50 television camera's in the stadium for tonights Clásico it will not be broadcast in HD to Spaniards as it is on terrestrial television which has yet to adopt the format. Very backward