The future of Man Utd

recylingbin

Pro. F wrote: »

not nearly as many as we had this season. Not even slightly close.

What exactly are these injuries, to whom, how long has the player been out and how does it compare to the other teams challenging?

m@cc@

recylingbin wrote: »

This is a thread to discuss the need for new players at man utd, or not depending on your viewpoint.

It really isn't, that's discussed in the superthread EVERY day.

jaykay74

recylingbin wrote: »

Take it to helpdesk.
This is a thread to discuss the need for new players at man utd, or not depending on your viewpoint.

Why 2 threads for the same thing though

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055637826&page=472

Drumpot

recylingbin wrote: »

Every club has injury problems.
Unless the whole team go down with long term injuries, it is not a valid excuse.
I used the others as a foil. Chelsea have been missing arguably their most important player for most of the season
Arsenal have been missing their best forward.

WTF ? ? ? ?

You are making no sense in the context of my post . .

Im saying Uniteds underperformance this season is not simply down to Tevez and Ronaldo leaving the club as they were not playing with united when the club had these kind of injuries. Every other club is irrelevant . . Im talking about the impact the loss of Tevez and Ronaldo has had on Manchester United . . No other club needs to be mentioned on this specific topic . .

As for somebody saying that United had similar injury problems last season, I beg to differ . . Dont remember united ever needing to play the likes of Fletcher and Carrick in defence or being without VDS for 3 months.

Also, VDS, Evans, Vidic, O'Shea and Rafael were available for most of that 11 game unbeaten period. Consistant starting defence.

IN fact, how can anybody remotely compare the injury problems united has had this season with last season. We were missing our first choice defence for the guts of three months.

Headshot

lol I just realised that's there's 2 threads like this

cant wait for a sf feedback thread

recylingbin

Drumpot wrote: »

WTF ? ? ? ?

You are making no sense in the context of my post . .

Im saying Uniteds underperformance this season is not simply down to Tevez and Ronaldo leaving the club as they were not playing with united when the club had these kind of injuries. Every other club is irrelevant . . Im talking about the impact the loss of Tevez and Ronaldo has had on Manchester United . . No other club needs to be mentioned on this specific topic . .

As for somebody saying that United had similar injury problems last season, I beg to differ . . Dont remember united ever needing to play the likes of Fletcher and Carrick in defence or being without VDS for 3 months.

Also, VDS, Evans, Vidic, O'Shea and Rafael were available for most of that period.

IN fact, how can anybody remotely compare the injury problems united has had this season with last season. We were missing our first choice defence for the guts of three months.

Every club has injuries. Again, I don't understand why united's performance's have dropped when Arsenal's have improved and Chelsea's has stayed more or less the same. They've all had injuries, serious ones. Why are united's more important and why have they had such a marked effect (according to you) compared to the other two clubs.

Pro. F

Dempsey wrote: »

This summer will require more than signing one player to sort out the squad.

No it won't. One good quality cm, maybe another younger potential talent as well, and this team would be competing with the very best.
We have one of the best defences in the world when you consider strength in depth. One of the top strikers in world football with some good back up and youth supporting across the attack. All being organised and motivated by one of the best managers in the history of the game.

Bodhisopha

I treat the Man U superthread as a thread for United supporters and don't wish to bother them with my sound, well reasoned logic, so i think two threads is a good idea. But, i don't make the rules, i don't even backseat mod.

flahavaj

Drumpot wrote: »

IN fact, how can anybody remotely compare the injury problems united has had this season with last season. We were missing our first choice defence for the guts of three months.

And all the second choice defenders as well save for Fabio, an almost totally untested youngster.

recylingbin

Pro. F wrote: »

No it won't. One good quality cm, maybe another younger potential talent as well, and this team would be competing with the very best.
We have one of the best defences in the world when you consider strength in depth. One of the top strikers in world football with some good back up and youth supporting across the attack. All being organised and motivated by one of the best managers in the history of the game.

No they won't. That's the kind of thing I hear from Liverpool fans every summer.

Professey Chin

recylingbin wrote: »

What exactly are these injuries, to whom, how long has the player been out and how does it compare to the other teams challenging?

Well heres the injuries from November to Feb
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/clubs/14/manchester_united_injuries.html

Rafael Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2010 February 28th
Michael Owen Injury Hamstring Injury 2010 February 28th
Anderson Injury ACL Knee Injury 2010 February 23rd
Rio Ferdinand Injury Sciatica 2010 February 23rd
Ryan Giggs Injury Broken Wrist (colles) 2010 February 10th
Dimitar Berbatov Injury Knee Injury 2010 January 1st
Ben Foster Injury Back Injury 2009 December 19th
Paul Scholes Injury Hip/Thigh Injury 2009 December 19th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2009 December 18th
Ryan Giggs Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 12th
Nani Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 December 8th
Wes Brown Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 5th
Gary Neville Injury Groin Strain 2009 December 5th
Wayne Rooney Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 5th
Federico Macheda Injury Hamstring Injury 2009 December 5th
Rafael Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2009 December 5th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Virus 2009 December 4th
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Knee Injury 2009 November 22nd
John O'Shea Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 November 18th
Fabio Injury Groin Strain 2009 November 14th
Jonny Evans Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2009 November 14th
Michael Carrick Injury Thigh Muscle Strain 2009 November 13th

With the exception of Evra thats pretty much the entire 1st and 2nd choice defence in there so if you think other teams hit that level youre talking through your arse

edit:thought i formatted that better.Odd.Sorry for the mess

UnitedIrishman

recylingbin wrote: »

No they won't. That's the kind of thing I hear from Liverpool fans every summer.

Sound. You're entirely correct, everyone else is wrong. Debate over yet?

Xavi6

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Did you miss the first post of the thread? You think that's alright yeah? I thought we were posting under these terms:



Nothing provocative or controversial in the OP's post then?

As I said, the idea of the thread has merits if discussed.

Strange how not one person reported the OP considering it's that bad.

recylingbin

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Well heres the injuries from November to Feb
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/clubs/14/manchester_united_injuries.html

With the exception of Evra thats pretty much the entire 1st and 2nd choice defence in there so if you think other teams hit that level youre talking through your arse

edit:thought i formatted that better.Odd.Sorry for the mess

They were all injured at the same time, were they and for 5 months?

You know what, if they are the players that were missing and you think that's the reason that united are average without Rooney, I think you've made my point for me.
United are in big trouble.

m@cc@

Xavi6 wrote: »

As I said, the idea of the thread has merits if discussed.

Even if such a thread already exists? You've made a rod for your back now.

Pro. F

recylingbin wrote: »

What exactly are these injuries, to whom, how long has the player been out and how does it compare to the other teams challenging?

Read the whole of my post including what i quoted ffs. I'm not talking about what you think.

flahavaj

Xavi6 wrote: »

As I said, the idea of the thread has merits if discussed.

Strange how not one person reported the OP considering it's that bad.

Well considering the fact that you've seen the OP now and done nothing about it......kinda proves everyone was right not to bother reporting it in the first place doesn't it?

Professey Chin

recylingbin wrote: »

They were all injured at the same time, were they and for 5 months?

You know what, if they are the players that were missing and you think that's the reason that united are average without Rooney, I think you've made my point for me.
United are in big trouble.

Where do these sh!t-stirrers come out of?

Yes a good chunk were injured at the same time or at alternating times over those 4 months(learn to count).It was months before both vidic and ferdinand started together.
That list contains one of the best defenses in the league so I dont see what point ive made.Plus who mentioned Rooney?
You musta grown a second arse to talk through after wasting your usual one on the OP

Mr.Nice Guy

Xavi6 wrote: »

As I said, the idea of the thread has merits if discussed.

Strange how not one person reported the OP considering it's that bad.

Wouldn't we be reporting it to mods who deem it acceptable which seems like a waste of time.

Is the message to be learned from all this that discussing Rafa's future is not allowed on this board until the summer yet discussion of United and Fergie's future is fair game?

If so, what's wrong with discussing Liverpool if it has merits? The funny thing is the threads locked which concerned Liverpool don't appear to have been wind-up attempts in the actual post whereas this one blatantly was and yet is allowed.

You know if you were in our shoes you'd find it absurd.

jaykay74

recylingbin wrote: »

Brandy - hasn't been the same since Monica died.

You'll be relived to hear that Monica is grand, at least according to wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_%28entertainer%29

Pro. F

recylingbin wrote: »

No they won't. That's the kind of thing I hear from Liverpool fans every summer.

No, in Liverpool's case a few additions and they might be competing for the league. United are already competing for the league as usual.

recylingbin

jaykay74 wrote: »

You'll be relived to hear that Monica is grand, at least according to wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_%28entertainer%29

I've been horribly misinformed.

Delighted for Monica. A real boon to her, living.

Le King

recylingbin wrote: »

I've been horribly misinformed.

Delighted for Monica. A real boon to her, living.

Joke account?

flahavaj

Xavi6 wrote: »

As I said, the idea of the thread has merits if discussed.

Strange how not one person reported the OP considering it's that bad.

Not to mention the fact that one of the first people to reply to the thread is a mod, so it was obvious it had already come to their attention and condoned by him.

recylingbin

Osu wrote: »

Joke account?

Don't know, haven't read your posts.

Le King

recylingbin wrote: »

Don't know, haven't read your posts.

I lol'd.

Your name suggests where your posts should be.


How this thread is still up is crazy.

Who do you support btw?

recylingbin

Osu wrote: »

I lol'd.

Your name suggests where your posts should be.


How this thread is still up is crazy.

Who do you support btw?

I am a fan of football.
Nobody specifically.

Le King

recylingbin wrote: »

I am a fan of football.
Nobody specifically.

ABU?


Don't football fans usually watch football?

x PyRo

recylingbin wrote: »

Don't know, haven't read your posts.

Brilliant reply. I literally lol'd at it.

recylingbin

Osu wrote: »

ABU?


Don't football fans usually watch football?

Oh, I've watched football all over...

Brogans on Dame Street, Devitts on Wexford Street, The Woolshed on Parnell Street, and so on

Maradona, Messi, George O'Callaghan, I've seen all the greats.

K-9

BERBA wrote: »

Spurs heading to wembley this weekend , united heading to blackburn:D

Oh Sweet Jaysus! You've repeated it that many times on this forum at this stage, you actually believe the Wembley game is more important.

m@cc@

recylingbin wrote: »

Oh, I've watched football all over...

Brogans on Dame Street, Devitts on Wexford Street, The Woolshed on Parnell Street, and so on

Maradona, Messi, George O'Callaghan, I've seen all the greats.

Oh, those Brazilians, you know? Circa 1970? Broke the mould. Theory out the window. Free expression of football. Uncategorisable. Is that a word? It is now! You know? Far cry from small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Rush goalie. Two at the back, three in the middle, four up front, one's gone home for his tea. Beans on toast? Possibly, don't quote me on that. Marvellous.

Xavi6

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Wouldn't we be reporting it to mods who deem it acceptable which seems like a waste of time.

Is the message to be learned from all this that discussing Rafa's future is not allowed on this board until the summer yet discussion of United and Fergie's future is fair game?

If so, what's wrong with discussing Liverpool if it has merits? The funny thing is the threads locked which concerned Liverpool don't appear to have been wind-up attempts in the actual post whereas this one blatantly was and yet is allowed.

You know if you were in our shoes you'd find it absurd.

Rafa's future has been dsicussed numerous times.

I take the point about he OP. The thread topic itslf is very much legitimate IMO. If all the reasonable and rational posts were in a seperate thread where discussion could prosper would the objections still be there?

m@cc@

Xavi6 wrote: »

The thread topic itslf is very much legitimate IMO. If all the reasonable and rational posts were in a seperate thread where discussion could prosper would the objections still be there?

Embarrassed that I'm having to do this but........

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055795200

Le King

Bodhisopha wrote: »

I treat the Man U superthread as a thread for United supporters and don't wish to bother them with my sound, well reasoned logic, so i think two threads is a good idea. But, i don't make the rules, i don't even backseat mod.

:rolleyes:

Glico Man

Thanks everyone for an entertaining read...

United fans are ok having a go at other teams and their fans but when something bad is said about united they cry foul...

If you can't take it...don't dish it out


My take on this... Fergie done at united? Not for another season or two.

Pro. F

aaronh007 wrote: »

United fans are ok having a go at other teams and their fans but when something bad is said about united they cry foul...

If you can't take it...don't dish it out

What a fùcking idiotic statement. What about the United fans (myself included) who are extremely critical of the FEW United fans who troll other teams' threads? Do we deserve to be subjected to this shìte as well?

Xavi6

Ok thread closed. The merits behind it make for good discussion, the way the OP went about it isn't, not to mention his subsequent posts.

The other thread will stay open for discussion as it is a worthy topic right now.

Just a reminder - sweeping statements about other fans are never welcome.

Cheers