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How bad was she robbed?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭Theta


    What call out? the walk across the road? :D

    Secondly, why did he need diagnostics for a blown fuse? Surely that's one of the first things you'd check in a situation like this?

    I don't think we'll agree on this one, so I'll make my final comment:

    In all my experience with mechanics,
    - None would have charged me 75 to change a fuse.
    - None would have charged me a call out fee for crossing the road.
    - None would require a diagnostic to tell me a fuse was blown.

    In that context I think the OP was very much overcharged.

    Chances are if he went looking through all the fuses and changed the burnt out one it would cost the same in labour and he most likely hooked it upto the diag to make sure a fault had not caused the fuse to blow in the first place!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,863 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    If I ever have to get anything semi major done again it will be up north, just bought an m sport bumper online for the bmw, I got a prices from a few placed down south and a few places up north, anyone want to gues how much it cost to sand, prime, spray, lacquer, oven bake and fit it? (the fitting took about 3.5 hrs by the way) £100 thats about €110!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,863 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    There have been places that diagnosed my car for free before! Independent garages, not dealers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Vertakill


    What call out? the walk across the road? :D

    Secondly, why did he need diagnostics for a blown fuse? Surely that's one of the first things you'd check in a situation like this?

    I don't think we'll agree on this one, so I'll make my final comment:

    In all my experience with mechanics,
    - None would have charged me 75 to change a fuse.
    - None would have charged me a call out fee for crossing the road.
    - None would require a diagnostic to tell me a fuse was blown.

    In that context I think the OP was very much overcharged.

    As I said, 75eu isn't cheap. I'd have expected 50'ish if it were me.

    The call out was to tow the car to his garage, considering 'the womans' car wouldn't start at all.

    He may have known straight away that it's likely a fuse or maybe he didn't. The OP left those details out.

    Also, as Theta explained, fuses can blow for a number of reasons and the fuse could very easily blow again straight after replacing it so maybe the diagnostic reading was the best way the mechanic had of eliminating that possibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    In all my experience with mechanics,
    - None would have charged me 75 to change a fuse.

    He didn't charge 75 to change a fuse. There's this assumption on thread that 'it's just a fuse, he should have checked the fuse first'. He was asked to check why the car wasn't working, it takes _time_ to get to that stage. Finding the fuse was the last in a series of steps.
    - None would have charged me a call out fee for crossing the road.

    The OP has said 'across the road', we don't know what distance it really is. If I was upset about something, and my car had broken down a mile from the garage, I'd probably describe it as across the road too. However, even if it's a metre across the road, the mechanic has a right to charge for it. His business, his rules.
    - None would require a diagnostic to tell me a fuse was blown.

    It's not about needing the diagnostic to tell if a fuse is blown. It's about using the diagnostic setup to identify why the car wouldn't start. I'd wager after going through all the usual checks, diagnostics, fuel, spark, etc, he finally decided to check the fusebox, and when he did, then decided to use the diagnostics again to see if there was any reason for the fuse to pop.

    Either which way, people need to make money. I'd wager it took this guy somewhere around 30-45 minutes between inspecting it at the side of the road, getting it across to the garage and diagnosing it there, rectifying the fault, and testing the vehicle. I'm pretty sure he earned his money, despite all the Saint Vincent de Paul reps on here saying he should have done it for free, and then said three novenas of the rosary for the sinful thought of charging someone money for his professional services.


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭CarMuppet


    To be honest it's not too bad... it's hard to know what really happened on the day but as a guess:

    1): Diagnostic read = euro35 to euro50

    2): Tow car to garage = euro 50 to 100 (insurance & diesel)... assuming car is within 20mins of garage and or a few miles.

    3): Replace fuse (Fuss). Depending on fuse it could cost from a couple of cent to euro2 for an 80/120Amp one..

    4): Safety check on car to verify it's ok after work carried out i.e. WHY DID FUSE BLOW IN FIRST PLACE?

    5): Possible diagnostic re-read to ensure no codes stored and/or clear code. If there are codes stored in memory advice customer on next step.

    75 euro for an emergency call out is not too bad to get a car back on the road in perfect working (and safe) order.

    I'm personally sick of people how know 'of' me, or friends of friends asking to work on cars and then looking almost insulted :eek: when you charge something small like euro30 for a read and clear... then charge cost for sensors to be replaced as a favour or repair an electrical loom... The disgnostic gear cost me euro1000's to buy and lots too on yearly software support/upgrades! It's not cheap! This might be called 'rip-off-Ireland' but there can be a degree of 'cheap-skate-Joe-public' too....

    BTW I'm not attempting to insult anyone here on this post... just talkjing about personal experiences.


    Cheers,
    CarMuppet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭Onikage


    Sounds like a fair price for the work done. Not great, not terrible. Fair.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    The country is broke. I'm convinced of it.
    It's taken you until now to realise that PD? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Stevokenevo


    PCPhoto wrote: »
    OP - she wasnt robbed at all !

    I've had a number of problems with my own car - and only recently been told that the last guy to "replace" my starter motor must have replaced it with a secondhand one (less than 12months and it needed to be replaced) ..... my lesson learned - I can now diagnose what my car sounds like when it needs a starter motor replaced.

    Sounds like you decided to brush up on your own skills to avoid being 'robbed' yourself.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭Athlone_Bhoy


    CarMuppet wrote: »
    To be honest it's not too bad... it's hard to know what really happened on the day but as a guess:

    1): Diagnostic read = euro35 to euro50

    2): Tow car to garage = euro 50 to 100 (insurance & diesel)... assuming car is within 20mins of garage and or a few miles.

    The garage is honestly 30 meters away, I would've pushed the car there if I knew he would charge that much.

    I'll just avoid this garage from now on. Those diagnostic aren't as expensive as you might think.

    The thing that makes me sick is the garage is due a service I've got all the parts guy I know was going to do it for 80Euro so the cost of one fuse the could have paid the labour for the service.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Bobo78


    I think he was overcharged inded.
    If I go to my mechanic for a mini service (oil, oil filter and spark plugs) he would charge me 30 euro for labour. And of course I would supply the parts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭Raiser


    k_mac wrote: »
    It cost me €65 just to get my car plugged in to a computer for a diagnostic. Don't think she was overcharged at all really.

    Does the fact that you were overcharged in the past somehow relate to this particular instance of overcharging and then negate it?

    I think its particular to the Irish that all goods and services do not have a set rate or value other than what the Person thinks they can aim for using the rules of extortion as a guideline.

    - Then when Someone gives out about overcharging they are told to suck it up and shut up.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭Sitec


    Bobo78 wrote: »
    I think he was overcharged inded.
    If I go to my mechanic for a mini service (oil, oil filter and spark plugs) he would charge me 30 euro for labour. And of course I would supply the parts.
    When you go to a garage and ask for a "mini service" the mechanic knows what he has to do before you arrive. Change Spark Plugs, Oil and Filters.


    This is a different situation the mechanic has no idea why the vehicle wont start. He has to perform various checks on the vehicles systems to determine what the fault is. He finds a fuse blown. He has to see what problem if any caused the fuse to blow. He has to be sure all systems on the car are working correctly this takes time and resources.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭bladebrew


    this thread reminds me of when my heating stopped working,bord gais sent out a guy to look at it,he knew exactly what was wrong within 2 minutes he opened one small tap increased the pressure with another tap then closed the first one again,
    he was there less then ten minutes, cost €80,he then showed me how to fix the problem if it happened again, i couldnt argue with him over the price its a standard fee,
    if the mechanic opened the fuse box saw one was blown and replaced it without doing any other work than the op may have a point,
    but as in my case we are paying for their knowledge aswell,

    sorry bout the long winded post:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    It's not the work or the size of the job that's the issue.

    It's the price. 75 Euro to replace a fuse? My local mechanic would charge 10 euro for that. Why? Because he knows I'll come back to him when I need a service, or any bigger job done.

    A few weeks ago my alternator failed at work. There's a mechanic across the road. I asked him if he had a booster pack because my battery was dead. He came out, diagnosed the alternator problem and helped me start the car. How much did he charge me? nothing!

    I will send him work after that, and have already recommended him to many.
    +1 to that. It seems that some people in this thread have missed your point about the word of mouth etc.

    A few years ago I had started a new job a long way from home and had a brake problem with the car I was driving. Limped it to the local main dealer (that I'd never used before) was fitted in immediately and given a courtesy car for the day. Collected the repaired car later that day, was charged a low price for the work done and wasn't charged for the courtesy car.

    This good service I received when I was in trouble and the resultant "word of mouth" recommedations have been a major factor in that garage making several new and used sales and getting loads of servicing work . The resulting turnover for them has probably been at least 100,000 euro.

    I have had other cases where garages have "looked" at cars and not charged me. I had one indy guy spend ~1 hour trying to find a subtle knocking in suspension and becasue he couldn't find anything, didn't charge for his time even after I offered. On another occasion a car of ours had a noise from the brakes, I assumed new pads were needed and brought it in to a main dealer. Collected the car to be told that pads were not needed and that they had removed a piece of debris that was jammed between a pad and the disc. I asked how much the labour would be and again, no charge.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭frank gooding


    Athlone

    You are not paying for the part so much as know how and experience.
    The fact he fixed it easily and quickly reflects more on a good mechanic

    I would expect a minimum charge from any trade.

    If you work for nothing you will never be idle.

    The womans car is working, result 75quid seems reasonable.

    If the diagnostic gear is cheap ( and no doubt in your mind easy to use) get it yourself and fix her car yourself next time. Ungreatful and mean springs to mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭crosshair1


    Sure some of the techs here will agree, a non start due to blown fuse is usually PCM supply (possibly crossed jmp leads) and when hooked up to diags. will result (usually) in a no comms situation with the PCM.
    Some checks do need to be carried out ie: is it the diags problem or vehicle ,can comms take place with other modules etc.
    This takes time and i think can justify the cost 66+VAT
    Maybe not exactly what happened buy you get the idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭pburns


    The garage is honestly 30 meters away, I would've pushed the car there if I knew he would charge that much.

    I'll just avoid this garage from now on. Those diagnostic aren't as expensive as you might think.

    The thing that makes me sick is the garage is due a service I've got all the parts guy I know was going to do it for 80Euro so the cost of one fuse the could have paid the labour for the service.

    You would've but ye didn't... How much time did the guy spend moving, diagnosing and fixing the problem?

    Why you pay so much more for a bottle of wine in the offy at 9.00pm when LIDL is shut up? Convenience and service cost.

    I can't even make out the last paragraph because I dunno where it begins or ends with lack of punctuation.

    I'm not saying €75 was any sort of bargain and I'm sure there's some midddle-aged batchelor in a shed in the arse-end of nowhere who would do it for €20 but it sure as hell isn't worth a hissy-fit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Sitec wrote: »
    When you go to a garage and ask for a "mini service" the mechanic knows what he has to do before you arrive. Change Spark Plugs, Oil and Filters.


    This is a different situation the mechanic has no idea why the vehicle wont start. He has to perform various checks on the vehicles systems to determine what the fault is. He finds a fuse blown. He has to see what problem if any caused the fuse to blow. He has to be sure all systems on the car are working correctly this takes time and resources.

    i went to the doctor once and he told me he had no idea why i had a rash on my foot and that i should try an alergy specialist no letter no pescription no nothing
    charged me €55

    the car got fixed


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    whippet wrote: »
    reminds me of what my auld boy came across years ago,

    He put a little twang on his new car, paint wasn't scratched and brought it to a body shop.

    The guy there took out his little set of tap hammers, gave it two quick taps and it was good as new.

    He then said that would be £20, my auld fella questioned £20 for two taps of a hammer, the guy's response

    "Right, £1 for each tap of the hammer and £18 for knowing where to tap it"


    PCPhoto wrote: »
    Maths FAIL !!!


    Eh, last time I checked 1+1+18 = 20

    Op, it might have been a bit steep alright, but unfortunately thats the run of things. E50 maybe.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Vertakill


    Tigger wrote: »
    i went to the doctor once and he told me he had no idea why i had a rash on my foot and that i should try an alergy specialist no letter no pescription no nothing
    charged me €55

    the car got fixed

    I think this is proof that the OP was ripped off. Even Doctors can fix cars for less than €75.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Lmao_Man


    Me_right_one - I think he edited his post lol :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    It's not the work or the size of the job that's the issue.

    It's the price. 75 Euro to replace a fuse? My local mechanic would charge 10 euro for that. Why? Because he knows I'll come back to him when I need a service, or any bigger job done.

    A few weeks ago my alternator failed at work. There's a mechanic across the road. I asked him if he had a booster pack because my battery was dead. He came out, diagnosed the alternator problem and helped me start the car. How much did he charge me? nothing!

    I will send him work after that, and have already recommended him to many.

    What is the matter with people? It was not 75.00 for a fuse, it was 75.00 to get a car that wouldn't start to the garage and make it run again. I seriously would get a ban for posting my opinion of some of the posters here


  • Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭dunleakelleher


    The problem? A fuss needed changing, charged her 75.

    Gonna have a word later.
    Whats a fuss... id gladly pay anybody €75 to explain what a fuss was in a car.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭dunleakelleher



    I'll just avoid this garage from now on.

    The thing that makes me sick is the garage is due a service .

    i would avoid any garage that is due a service as well.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭VolvoMan


    Personally I think it was a bit sneaky of the mechanic to act like who was doing a favour by taking the car in in that circumstance and then charge for it like it was a normal job. As pointed out above, you'd have expected him to charge a token amount like 20 quid and not full whack, including labour and full use of equipment.

    It sounds as if he took advantage in my opinion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭dunleakelleher


    VolvoMan wrote: »
    Personally I think it was a bit sneaky of the mechanic to act like who was doing a favour by taking the car in in that circumstance and then charge for it like it was a normal job. As pointed out above, you'd have expected him to charge a token amount like 20 quid and not full whack, including labour and full use of equipment.

    It sounds as if he took advantage in my opinion.

    In the OP she went to a garage to fix her car. Now unless I'm mistaken. that guy running the garage would be out of business pretty quick if he excepted every person who called to him to fix as car as a favour. :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭VolvoMan


    Now unless I'm mistaken. that guy running the garage would be out of business pretty quick if he excepted every person who called to him to fix as car as a favour. :confused:

    If he did with regular customers, then absolutely. What I'm saying is that it was a little unfair to hit her with a large bill that he would normally charge to a regular customer who willingly leaves a car in to him.

    Twenty Euro, fine, but I think seventy-five was a little excessive for what was a small job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    VolvoMan wrote: »
    Twenty Euro, fine, but I think seventy-five was a little excessive for what was a small job.
    I've asked this question before, but without response. I'll ask it again. Does anyone here have any idea how long it took to fix the car? I don't and, with the possible exception of the OP, I can't see how anyone else posting here can either. Without this information, how can anyone make a call on whether or not the €70 charge was reasonable?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,283 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I have a garage across the road from me. When I was buying my car he gave it the once over (and a quick basic service) and refused to take any payment for doing it. It was neighbourly I suppose since sometimes we have to put up with lots of garage-related cars blocking the street.

    To the OP, yes, he could have done it for much cheaper, but he's not in the wrong for not doing so.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,809 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    People need a reality check here.

    Yes, he's running a business and yes he ran a diagnostic.

    BUT 75 Euro for replacing a fuse is extortionate! If it took twenty minutes, does that mean he's charging 225 an hour labour?

    Come on guys. If he charged 20/30 euros that would be plenty!

    My GP won't part-charge his hourly rate - who does ?
    It's not the work or the size of the job that's the issue.

    It's the price. 75 Euro to replace a fuse? My local mechanic would charge 10 euro for that. .
    Is he psychic ? Like he'll know it's a fuse, before looking, before charging ?
    1st wrote: »
    Have we reached the point where a qualified mechanic needs a diagnostic machine to tell him a fuse is gone? Just curious.
    'fraid so. Motorbikes now, too. Out of curiousity, what age car have you got (just curious)
    Vertakill wrote: »
    Would you not prefer the convenience of being able to sit in the driver seat, hook up the diag machine and read every code (not just the issue the customers brought the car in with) within about 5 minutes?

    The cozy approach to being a mechanic! :)
    ..well, as someone who's just added the iPod lead & socket to a Saab 9-3, but find I now have to go to a dealer with a Tech II system, to activate the input, on the infotainment system (!), so I can hear the thing, I'll reserve judgement - and you can be sure I'll ask how much before he starts !
    This conversation needs a bit of common sense (in fact this country needs a bit of common sense).

    1. You should not be charged a call-out fee for walking across the road to see a car.
    2. I don't believe you should be charged 50 euro to run a diagnostic on a car.
    3. No mechanic I've ever dealt with would charge 75 euro for a fuse change.

    I've no problem paying a good hourly rate to a good mechanic for servicing, suspension, gearbox work, etc.

    But that kind of money for a fuse or a bulb is way over the top.
    You're speaking from the comfort of knowing it's a fuse, now, in hindsight. For all anyone knew, before the diagnostic, a 1k ECU was toast........in which case 75 was a get-out-of-jail-for-75-euro card......:)
    Vertakill wrote: »
    The costly bits are for the call out and the diagnostic. That's where the brunt of the bill occurs.

    Code reading costs about 50eu at least in most places. The machines in question cost a small fortune.
    True, some do. But you have to question whether that cost in itself, is a rip-off by whoever supplies them. It is, after all, just a laptop and a cable. The software isn't....er, ....rocket science. No more than the amount of science it took to boot up this laptop, set up and connect to the wireless router I bought in PC World (which I had to set up in the attic..)just to read this thread, for example. Once the key to 'progress' was just reading and arithmetic: now you need to be technically literate just to by 'current'. It's the same across all walks of life.
    Bobo78 wrote: »
    I think he was overcharged inded.
    If I go to my mechanic for a mini service (oil, oil filter and spark plugs) he would charge me 30 euro for labour. And of course I would supply the parts.
    That's two issues, not one. You're getting a good deal from your €30-man, but OP'S offended party may not, for whatever reason you may decide fits.
    VolvoMan wrote: »
    Personally I think it was a bit sneaky of the mechanic to act like who was doing a favour by taking the car in in that circumstance and then charge for it like it was a normal job. As pointed out above, you'd have expected him to charge a token amount like 20 quid and not full whack, including labour and full use of equipment.

    It sounds as if he took advantage in my opinion.
    The issue here is...motive and opportunity. It was not just a straightforward blanket call-out charge, applied. It was a bit of an evaluation of 'what the market would bear'......and therein is, possibly, the real issue. There are still some people out there who would 'do you' right, once, rather than cultivate a more modest return, more often, over the longer term. And unfortunately, despite Karma, they don't always get their comeuppance, and there's enough first-timers out there to keep the circus going...

    It's just people, see....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    The car was broken a qualified person who was available for work, had the tools and experience fixed it. He charged, that's business good or otherwise. As the mod said we don't how long it took so he may have overcharged or he may not have.

    If it was a morris minor and the fuse went and the local mechanic/handyman fixed it in ten minutes and charged €75 ii'd feel ripped off because there probably wouldn't be another thing wrong with it.

    Modern cars,if it was one, are whole different kettle of fish so, as a number of people have already said the problem had to be investigated thoroughly or he wouldn't have been doing his job.

    If he just changed the fuse, charged nothing and it went again tomorrow you'd be complaining.

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