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Malcolm McLaren, RIP

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    #32
    Dudess
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    rovert wrote: »
    Must be a figment of my imagination that he threatened two 13 year old girls to post nude for a magazine he was launching.
    Finally - an answer! :)


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    #33
    rovert
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    Dudess wrote: »
    Finally - an answer! :)

    Read the book and England's Dreaming while you are at it.


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    #34
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    rovert wrote: »
    Read the book and England's Dreaming while you are at it.
    In the meantime this should suffice
    He shot to fame and notoriety as the man who guided the Sex Pistols into the pop charts in the 1970s.

    But Malcolm McLaren, who has died aged 64, had already become a fixture on the London punk scene.

    The performer, impresario and tireless self-publicist first made his name when he opened a shop selling fetish clothing with Vivienne Westwood.

    He continued to generate headlines, appearing in reality show Big Brother: Celebrity Hijack in 2008.


    McLaren, who also enjoyed a solo music career, was born in London in 1946 and raised by his grandmother in Stoke Newington.

    When he was six years old, his mother remarried but McLaren never got on with his stepfather.


    He's one of the rare individuals who had a huge impact on the cultural and social life of this nation
    Music journalist Jon Savage



    He attended St Martin's College Of Art and Goldsmiths College in the capital before setting up clothing shop Let It Rock on King's Road in Chelsea. The shop was later renamed Sex.

    McLaren was involved in putting the Sex Pistols together in late 1975 and dressed band in his outfits.

    Under his management, the band courted controversy.

    In 1977 he was arrested on the Queen's Silver Jubilee after sailing down the Thames on a boat with the band so they could play their anti-establishment song God Save The Queen.

    A year later, in 1978, the Sex Pistols set off on a tour of the US. But the band members returned on separate flights, and they split - amid accusations that McLaren had mismanaged them and withheld money.

    McLaren's life was rarely anything but colourful. He was once exiled to Paris because of fraud allegations against him in London arising from the antics of the Sex Pistols.

    McLaren kept the Sex Pistols' contract rights until one member of the band - John Lydon, who went by the name of Johnny Rotten - took him to court in the 1980s.

    Lydon eventually won and gained complete control from McLaren. The pair refused to speak to each other after the band's split.





    McLaren and Westwood had a son, Joseph Corre, who became the co-founder of the world-famous lingerie chain, Agent Provocateur.

    McLaren managed the New York Dolls shortly before launching the Pistols and later launched Bow Wow Wow, for whom he penned a number of songs.

    Following his management career McLaren created his own musical projects, releasing the first of his albums, Duck Rock, in 1983, and having UK hits with singles including Buffalo Gals, Double Dutch and Madame Butterfly.

    In 1999, an alternative career seemed to beckon when he announced plans to join the race to become London mayor. The "punk godfather" said he would stand as an independent candidate with a manifesto including legalised brothels and selling alcohol in libraries.

    In November 2007, aged 61, Malcolm was due to become a contestant on the ITV reality show I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here! but pulled out, claiming the show was a "fake".



    Music journalist Jon Savage, who wrote England's Dreaming, the award-winning history of the Sex Pistols and punk, said: "Without Malcolm McLaren there would not have been any British punk.

    "He's one of the rare individuals who had a huge impact on the cultural and social life of this nation."

    Creation Records founder Alan McGee described his late friend as a "visionary".

    And despite their differences, former Pistols frontman John Lydon issued a tribute, signed Johnny Rotten, which said: "Above all else [Malcolm] was an entertainer and I will miss him, and so should you.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8610482.stm


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    #35
    rovert
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    In the meantime this should suffice

    Not really, have you read either?


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    #36
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    rovert wrote: »
    Not really, have you read either?
    Well not much to do unless you provide us with some extracts.


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    #37
    rovert
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Well not much to do unless you provide us with some extracts.

    Wut?


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    #38
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    rovert wrote: »
    Wut?
    You mentioned a magazine article and a book. Do you have some extracts from either?


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    #39
    rovert
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    You mentioned a magazine article and a book. Do you have some extracts from either?

    Magazine article?

    Yeah Im going to wade through a 600 page book to post extracts on here to prove a point that Im right about.


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    #40
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    rovert wrote: »
    Magazine article?

    Yeah Im going to wade through a 600 page book to post extracts on here to prove a point that Im right about.
    Well something would be a help. Not disputing what you are saying but using extracts makes your case stronger. No one in media that i have heard or read have brought it up so far.


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    #41
    rovert
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Well something would be a help. Not disputing what you are saying but using extracts makes your case stronger. No one in media that i have heard or read have brought it up so far.

    And that proves what exactly? Not even John Lydon is slating him at the moment. Dont be lazy read Rip It Up and Start Again ,it is a seminal book on the subject.


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    #42
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    rovert wrote: »
    Magazine article?

    Yeah Im going to wade through a 600 page book to post extracts on here to prove a point that Im right about.
    Do you have the book. is there an index at the back. Surely you can source the page that lists the allegations?


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    #43
    rovert
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Do you have the book. is there an index at the back. Surely you can source the page that lists the allegations?

    You'll be asking for page scans next no I dont have the book where Im at currently. Stop badgering me it is in Rip It Up and Start Again which has been reprinted numerous times and the claim was never been refuted. Despite claims to contray it has been posted numerous places on the internet too.

    EDIT: It is written about in Chapter 16 called Sex Gang Children


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    #44
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    rovert wrote: »
    You'll be asking for page scans next no I dont have the book where Im at currently. Stop badgering me it is in Rip It Up and Start Again which has been reprinted numerous times and the claim was never been refuted. Despite claims to contray it has been posted numerous places on the internet too.

    EDIT: It is written about in Chapter 16 called Sex Gang Children
    So if its on the internet post it. If its there and you have access to it I dont see the problem. This is a tribute thread to Malcolm McLaren and yet you came in with these statements.
    Some of just wanted you to back them up with some printed extracts which is the norm really.


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    #45
    rovert
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    So if its on the internet post it. If its there and you have access to it I dont see the problem. This is a tribute thread to Malcolm McLaren and yet you came in with these statements.
    Some of just wanted you to back them up with some printed extracts which is the norm really.

    Ive given you the book and the chapter. :rolleyes: Id more forthcoming it what I posted wasnt met with persistant hostility.


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    #46
    tbh
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    if you both just let it drop, it'd be dropped. I am aware of the irony of taking a thread off topic to complain about off-topicness.


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    #47
    Dudess
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    It's still to do with Malcolm McLaren...


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    #48
    tbh
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    it is in it's hole, with respect. It's three people, one of whom is saying '"I know something and I'm not going to tell you" and the other two saying "no you don't, you don't know anything"
    you, not so much as the other fella in fairness. I liked what he said about mcclaren and the pistols, and I'm going to enjoy those books that rovert recommended I'd say.personally I'd enjoy the thread more if there was more of that and less of the bickering. maybe that's just me tho.


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    #49
    rovert
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    The thread would have been a lot more truncated if people didnt jump the gun call other people's who actually read round the subject posts figments of their imagination.

    Read the book or not, believe it or not but his apparent attempt to emboil EMI, the BBC and his own associates in a child pornography scandal is in there.


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    #50
    tbh
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    I think the description of him as the original simon cowell is very apt. Of course there were always the managers in the background pulling the strings since the music industry began, I like the way was so blatent about it, and it's since become something refined and sanitized and commercialised to produce a simon cowell.


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    #51
    Dudess
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    rovert wrote: »
    The thread would have been a lot more truncated if people didnt jump the gun call other people's who actually read round the subject posts figments of their imagination.
    It's about something to do with Malcolm McLaren, the subject of this thread - and if you're going to post something in a "I'll get attention by saying something really vague so that everyone will be going wtf and then I'll refuse to elaborate" manner, you got exactly what you wanted, so what's your problem? You hardly wanted people to just ignore it did you? And if you make a huge claim like that with nothing whatsoever to back it up initially, people are bound to think you're talking through your arse, especially when Google yields nothing.

    It seems interesting - people asked questions and were met with hostility from you instead of an answer, wtf is the point in that?

    You could even have written a short par explaining what you meant - five or six lines even - but no, being evasive and telling people to fuk off and read the book, on a public message-board where people write stuff, explanations and so on, ftw...


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    #52
    rovert
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    Dudess wrote: »
    It's about something to do with Malcolm McLaren, the subject of this thread - and if you're going to post something in a "I'll get attention by saying something really vague so that everyone will be going wtf and then I'll refuse to elaborate" manner, you got exactly what you wanted, so what's your problem? You hardly wanted people to just ignore it did you? And if you make a huge claim like that with nothing whatsoever to back it up initially, people are bound to think you're talking through your arse, especially when Google yields nothing.

    It seems interesting - people asked questions and were met with hostility from you instead of an answer, wtf is the point in that?

    You could even have written a short par explaining what you meant - five or six lines even - but no, being evasive and telling people to fuk off and read the book, on a public message-board where people write stuff, explanations and so on, ftw...

    I love your editorals and weird conclusion jumping.

    What you are saying would be all fine if you didnt make your dismissive figment of your imagination jab before I had a chance to elaborate on my inital post. Again I thought more people knew about the story and read the book. It is not an elitist thing to think either Simon Reynold book is one of more acclaimed, widely read, influencial books blah blah etc. about punk and post punk.

    This is the second thread Ive read today which you have taken off topic.


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    #53
    Dudess
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    rovert wrote: »
    I love your editorals and weird conclusion jumping.

    What you are saying would be all fine
    So they're not that weird - great.
    if you didnt make your dismissive figment of your imagination jab before I had a chance to elaborate on my inital post. Again I thought more people knew about the story and read the book. It is not an elitist thing to think either Simon Reynold book is one of more acclaimed, widely read, influencial books blah blah etc. about punk and post punk.
    Cool - that's all that was asked for, thanks. And sorry for being dismissive.
    This is the second thread Ive read today which you have taken off topic.
    It was taken off topic long before me (ish - it's still to do with McLaren) so less of the singling out...


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    #54
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Again Rovert, myself and Dudess are only asking that you back up your claims with some quoted text. Its not asking for much


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    #55
    rovert
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    Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »
    Again Rovert, myself and Dudess are only asking that you back up your claims with some quoted text. Its not asking for much

    Again untrue Dudess didn’t in her first post she dismissed the claim out of hand and didn’t even ask for me to elaborate.

    You on the other hand were just played contarian as no amount of evidence I could provide seemed to satisfy you. At least in your case you offered some insightful posts on the subject.

    Can we get back to the actual topic?


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    #56
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    rovert wrote: »
    Again untrue Dudess didn’t in her first post she dismissed the claim out of hand and didn’t even ask for me to elaborate.

    You on the other hand were just played contarian as no amount of evidence I could provide seemed to satisfy you. At least in your case you offered some insightful posts on the subject.

    Can we get back to the actual topic?
    Okay I think McLaren if anything else challenged the status quo. Marketing was fantastic. What the pistols achieved in that brief spell was amazing. But it went a bit downhill with the Great Rock N Roll Swindle. Some great songs but it was apparent already that Lydon had lost interest by then given his overall lack of input on a album which was a mess for the most part. It was just a series of gimics.
    Im curious to know how many songs Pistols recorded for the NMTB session and if McLaren was ever serious about a follow up album.
    Was Matlock the creative influence in the band?


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