Fine Gael's 100,000 new jobs

murphaph

NUIG_FiannaFail wrote: »

Fine Gael was only established in 1934 as an authoritarian pro-rich party. blah blah

...better than being a weak pro-rich party I suppose

NUIG_FiannaFail

murphaph wrote: »

...better than being a weak pro-rich party I suppose

Fine Gael have always been on the side of the rich and privileged.

NUIG_FiannaFail

As soon as Fine Gael are in power you will hate them ever more than Fianna Fáil. I guarantee you.

murphaph

NUIG_FiannaFail wrote: »

As soon as Fine Gael are in power you will hate them ever more than Fianna Fáil. I guarantee you.

That may be, but I doubt it. FFers have an immense tendency towards arrogance.

FF need to be taught a lesson in humilty and need to up their game SIGNIFICANTLY. FG have got a lot of policies I would be in favour of, abolition of the Seanad and the introduction of a list system to elect at least 20 TDs (along with a reduction to 146 of same). Would you argue against a reduction in the number of TDs or of the abolition of the Seanad?

zootroid

murphaph wrote: »

That may be, but I doubt it. FFers have an immense tendency towards arrogance.

FF need to be taught a lesson in humilty and need to up their game SIGNIFICANTLY. FG have got a lot of policies I would be in favour of, abolition of the Seanad and the introduction of a list system to elect at least 20 TDs (along with a reduction to 146 of same). Would you argue against a reduction in the number of TDs or of the abolition of the Seanad?

I think our political system certainly needs reform, but I would be hesitant against abolishing the Seanad. I would be a bit nervous about giving whatever government of the day increased powers. For instance, if the government was a single party government, and the president also happened to be a member of that party, then there would be nothing to stop the government introducing any legislation it wished.

Certainly though the issue of pay and expenses should be looked at. I would also be in favour of reducing the number of TDs and creating larger constituencies. That might go some way to making sure TDs are only focussed on issues of national importance.

TDs should also be entitled to one pension only (be it a TDs pension, ministerial pension etc), and payable when the TD reaches a certain age, say 65. I also think it's scandalous that TDs can hang onto their old teacher jobs. If you change jobs in the private sector, you take a risk. Why should entering politics be any different? There are bound to be other perks that TDs enjoy that the public aren't aware of, some may be justified, others maybe not, but the above should be tackled straight away in my opinion. Unfortunately I can't see it happening.

Head The Wall

zootroid wrote: »

TDs should also be entitled to one pension only (be it a TDs pension, ministerial pension etc), and payable when the TD reaches a certain age, say 65. I also think it's scandalous that TDs can hang onto their old teacher jobs. If you change jobs in the private sector, you take a risk. Why should entering politics be any different? There are bound to be other perks that TDs enjoy that the public aren't aware of, some may be justified, others maybe not, but the above should be tackled straight away in my opinion. Unfortunately I can't see it happening.

Definitely agree on the TD's Pension, it's only a scam, pure and simple.

It's not just teacher jobs that they can hold onto, look at the ones that lose their ministerial roles, they get a reduced ministerial salary to make up the fact that they are losing it. To me thats a demotion but yet those wasters get paid for it.

Galway Revolutionary Left

Ye really haven't a clue though lads, when you think about it. Fine Gael are just a clone of Fianna Fail to be honest.

eoinbn

NUIG_FiannaFail wrote: »

Fine Gael have always been on the side of the rich and privileged.

Ah, it's all becoming clear now.

Dev really was a genius. For 30 years he moved us closer and closer to a 3rd world country with his backwards policies so that their would be no 'rich' people to vote for FG! Whenever there was a sign that the country was heading in the right direction, (73-77, 94-97) FF could sweep into power and implement plans to ruin the country for another generation in an effort to keep everyone poor!!

soden12

NUIG_FiannaFail wrote: »

And they treated the workers like slaves and made 100s of them live in wooden shacks for months. It was Fianna Fail who set up industry in the state in the 30s.

You mean that the workers left their palatial homes with hot/cold running water just to go to Ardnacrusha ?

Or do you mean that men who were lucky to eke out enough of a living to pay the rent for their tenement home were happy to go and earn a few more bob ?

The Volt

NUIG_FiannaFail wrote: »

This is a thread about "new era" and Fine Gael. FF might have made mistakes but FG would have done the exact same. The fact is FG have no solutions to our problems.

I stopped reading this thread after you said that 'FG' might have made the same mistakes. I'm not an FG voter but it's just a ridiculous arguement to state that another political entity would have made the same mistakes as your incompetent shower made. You can't predict what would have happened and if you can then why are you wasting your time on a message board when you could just as easily be making money in the bookmakers or winning the lottery?

Galway Revolutionary Left

I don't think that's Galway Ogra, what gave it away was that it's not Galway Ogra. At least some of us can stick to our convictions.

daithicarr

nuig fianna fail seems to just be trolling on most his threads he recently got banned for homophobic trolling on the military forum.

i think that the fact that FG seems to have a job strategy at all is promising.
although im not sure if selling the ESB is a good thing, would it not be better to try and make it more efficent ? we are a small state and can only have so many electricity providers, who will be trying to make a profit which could end up with inflated prices for the users.

as for the senade, im not 100% sure about abolishing it, as it would give too much power to the dail.
id like to see a reduction in TD and senators, as well as bigger constituancys and maybe half elected from alist system to try and reduce the tendancy of people to vote on mostly local issues rather than national ones

while 100,00 jobs is a good start, does anyone have any idea what to do with the other 400,000 or so people who are without work or will be? or are they going to follow the age old policy of letting them get on the boat

Sulmac

daithicarr wrote: »

as for the senade, im not 100% sure about abolishing it, as it would give too much power to the dail.
id like to see a reduction in TD and senators, as well as bigger constituancys and maybe half elected from alist system to try and reduce the tendancy of people to vote on mostly local issues rather than national ones

Well, at present the Seanad has no power, the Dáil has practically no power and the Government has almost absolute power (whip system and all that).

FG's proposal would get rid of the Seanad, give more power to individual TDs in the Dáil (and in Committees - which will be beefed up substantially under their plans, some even given Constitutional status) and overhaul the entire system of government. Their proposals are worth a read in full; they're excellent and it's the smallest changes will that will make the biggest difference (such as re-instating the FOI Acts to what they were before FF amended them once they got into power - page 27), but probably most important are their new proposals for the budget process (page 19) - to try and ensure we don't end up in the mess we are in now again!

That said, this thread is about their NewERA proposals; and, as you said, at least they have an economic policy.

edit: I do agree about the bigger constituencies and list system proposals, though!

Galway Revolutionary Left

Would you guys stop arguing with that guy? He's not NUIG Fianna Fail. We, the Galway Revolutionary Left know this, because they know this.

Do it right, stay left.

Sulmac

FG have re-relaunched (they've announced it twice already!) their New ERA proposals, complete with its own dedicated site like their FairCare proposals have.

The official announcement can be found here. Seems they plan to have meetings around the country over the proposals, again like the FairCare policy.

The "Whack-a-dodo" game is a nice touch.

DrumSteve

Galway Revolutionary Left wrote: »

Would you guys stop arguing with that guy? He's not NUIG Fianna Fail. We, the Galway Revolutionary Left know this, because they know this.

Do it right, stay left.

Josef would be proud of the double speak.

Co-incidentally..are you them?