What's With This Rally In Dublin on Saturday?

Nodin

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Anyone who attends will be attending against the wishes of the family.

You've some source for that? Seeing as its the family thats organising it, its highly unlikely.

rock chic

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Sure that could be anyone and everyone.

Just admit it...when a black person dies, it's racial.

i think you should remember that the vermin who did this murderd a child

Pittens

Growth in racism howarya. Ireland must be the one of the least racist countries on eart

Tyrrelstown seemed largely integrated to me when I was there. No Ghettos. No part of it black, and white, but every house with different ethnic groups. Mostly white, not all Irish. Not exactly Chicago, or Oakland.

so it is a pity this happened.

By the way Tyrrelstown is home not the old style working classes, but the new - often graduates etc. Not the most racist of groups.

the perps were from elsewhere.

( for the record I believe that the attack was racially motivated. cant think of any other reason).

Pittens

Why can't people organised a Rally against this corrupt Government who have destroyed Ireland and while I sympathise with the cause this is something that is far more Important.

Thats a better point than you think. Where were all the trots/ radical left when capitalism was on it's knees less than a year ago? Where are they now?

I think that all this proves that the far left has abandoned class politics for racial politics.

southsiderosie

I don't understand all of the hostility about a community mobilizing to voice their displeasure with a young man being stabbed to death. One of the most striking things about being a foreigner in Ireland is the lack of protests at the number of horrible things that happen here: stabbings, random attacks on people, government malfeasance, packs of feral teenagers, etc. And then when people decide to get off of their asses to demand better from society, they are criticized for it? Maybe if more people made a stink about things here, there wouldn't be so many thugs harassing people around O'Connell Street, or people being re-released to prey on the public with 30+ convictions.

And as for the "why the blacks and not the Poles or other groups": Nigerians are the most politically mobilized immigrant community in Ireland, despite the fact that they are not the largest group. Look at how many of them have run for office here, or have gotten involved in local committees, etc. So it's not surprising that there has been a bigger community response around this incident, especially considering how young the victim was. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Other groups should try it sometime. :rolleyes:

donkey balls

Pittens wrote: »

Tyrrelstown seemed largely integrated to me when I was there. No Ghettos. No part of it black, and white, but every house with different ethnic groups. Mostly white, not all Irish. Not exactly Chicago, or Oakland.

so it is a pity this happened.

By the way Tyrrelstown is home not the old style working classes, but the new - often graduates etc. Not the most racist of groups.

the perps were from elsewhere.

( for the record I believe that the attack was racially motivated. cant think of any other reason).

i happen to live in tyrellstown the media have blown things out of proportion,there is two sides to every story in my line of work if there is an accident/incident its investigated fully before making conclusions.(none of this crap he said she said) remarks like your one above does not help the community afaik i havent seen a gardai press officer say that the murder was race related one person involved has been charged with man slaughter.

Ammonite

Have to say I agree that the rally is a waste of time.

Any right thinking person knows that the murder is appalling. So what is the rally trying to achieve? Toyosi's murder has been condemned by all sides of the community.

biko

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Anyone who attends will be attending against the wishes of the family.

Eh, no. Where did you get that from?

"To honour the memory of Toyosi Shitta-Bey, who tragically died last Friday, his family and friends are organising a march and rally to call on communities to unite against racism this Saturday"

http://www.wsm.ie/content/dublin-rally-memory-toyosi-shi ttabey
http://www.swp.ie/index.php?page=232&dept=Events

Ammonite

biko wrote: »

Eh, no. Where did you get that from?

"To honour the memory of Toyosi Shitta-Bey, who tragically died last Friday, his family and friends are organising a march and rally to call on communities to unite against racism this Saturday"

http://www.wsm.ie/content/dublin-rally-memory-toyosi-shi ttabey
http://www.swp.ie/index.php?page=232&dept=Events

The thing is, is racism genuinely a major problem?

I live in an area that would not have a huge number of ethnic minorities and would be reasonably middle class so maybe my view is skewed, but I've never witnessed a racist incident. And I have seen plenty of ethnic minorities in town and not seen them verbally or physically abused. Perhaps someone would be able to offer a different perspective?

It's difficult to tell, but if someone asked me, I wouldn't have guessed that racism was a huge problem in this country.

The two who allegedly did this are pondlife anyway, race or not. We don't even know to what extent race was involved yet.

Pineapple stu

Gavin shels wrote: »

Well I think the momentum behind this from his school, family, and there's a big push aswell from League of Ireland fans over clubs forums, foot.ie and facebook.

Big push meaning you Gav ?

Pittens

remarks like your one above does not help the community afaik i havent seen a gardai press officer say that the murder was race related one person involved has been charged with man slaughter.

Jesus wept, learn to read. i said the place was integrated and the accused were not from the area. I said the people in Tyrellstown were not racist.

Therefore suggesting that there may have been a racial motive says nothing about the people in the area ( or indeed, in general, about the area the accused came from)

Amhran Nua

Pittens wrote: »

Where were all the trots/ radical left when capitalism was on it's knees less than a year ago?

Protesting. Remember that No to NAMA thing? Entryism at its finest. There were regular protests throughout last year, and most if not all of them were the same crowd for hire types.

southsiderosie wrote: »

I don't understand all of the hostility about a community mobilizing to voice their displeasure with a young man being stabbed to death.

Its because its usually not the community but a small section of extremely indoctrinated far left wannabe social engineers, who literally believe it is their destiny to bring the unwashed masses, step by step, into the light of their demonstrably failed brand of extremist socialism (I wish I was kidding). Most people don't want to show up for these things because they know them for the sickly affairs they are. It's particularly reprehensible in this case since the bandwagon they are jumping on is a coffin. The cause is immaterial to these types.

southsiderosie wrote: »

And then when people decide to get off of their asses to demand better from society, they are criticized for it?

The best way to deal with these issues is to work at the community level, educating young people and making sure that we all look out for each other. Do you think the miscreants who killed this boy would have been bothered in the slightest by a protest before or after the deed? If anything they'll probably feel it added to their notoriety.

gurramok

Pittens wrote: »

Tyrrelstown seemed largely integrated to me when I was there. No Ghettos. No part of it black, and white, but every house with different ethnic groups. Mostly white, not all Irish. Not exactly Chicago, or Oakland.

so it is a pity this happened.

By the way Tyrrelstown is home not the old style working classes, but the new - often graduates etc. Not the most racist of groups.

About Tyrrelstown , its very strange how it has evolved. I do see 'working class' types out there when I visit daytime so your comment is not true.

One has to ask why is there a high percentage of non-nationals in that area as to opposed lets say nearby Castleknock or Finglas for example?

I has always thought integration was about having non-nationals in every area and not just highly concentrated in a small handful of areas.

Dudess

I feel sorry for reasonable people whose views are more conservative-leaning when I see how misrepresented they are by the retarded stuff here. Seriously, can you come up with anything other than throwing out "bleeding heart"/"tree-hugger"? It's embarrassing!

Although not quite as embarrassing as the non stop misuse of "Trotskyite" (it sounds kinda clever so I suppose it's a good one to use).

And "neo liberal lefties" made me particularly laugh...

I do think though, and here's where I'm kinda in agreement with one point by I Drink It Up!, there is a tendency to big up the racism problem in Ireland - there is of course racism here, a sad reality in any society, but there does seem to be a set of overly right-on people who almost want there to be a really horrendous racism problem so they can go on about what an horrific banana republic Ireland is (zzzzzzzzz). It really does a disservice to e.g. those who experienced the horrors of Apartheid. I don't see crosses burning on people's lawns here, or skinhead rallies (like in leftie-liberal Sweden) or "Coloureds only" signs on toilet doors.

Still though, the people who are sneering at a kid being stabbed (because it gives them the opportunity to whinge about the "PC" media): delightful of you.

southsiderosie

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Its because its usually not the community but a small section of extremely indoctrinated far left wannabe social engineers, who literally believe it is their destiny to bring the unwashed masses, step by step, into the light of their demonstrably failed brand of extremist socialism (I wish I was kidding). Most people don't want to show up for these things because they know them for the sickly affairs they are. It's particularly reprehensible in this case since the bandwagon they are jumping on is a coffin. The cause is immaterial to these types.

I agree with the bandwagon-hopping being a general problem. But from the perspective of activists within the immigrant community (many of whom are skeptical about Irish do-gooders), "mainstream" Irish political institutions don't pay much more than lip service to their concerns. I've also heard this from local government officials, who often feel powerless to deal with these issues, since the national government controls most social services.

That said, it doesn't seem that Irish people show up for any kind of social protest, because they generally see them as run by nutters. But peaceful protest is part and parcel of a healthy democracy, and maybe if more than the usual suspects did take a public stand against violence, or corruption, or corporate malfeasance, elected officials would be more responsive.

Amhran Nua wrote: »

The best way to deal with these issues is to work at the community level, educating young people and making sure that we all look out for each other. Do you think the miscreants who killed this boy would have been bothered in the slightest by a protest before or after the deed? If anything they'll probably feel it added to their notoriety.

Again, local government has very little leeway to run programs. And there are plenty of community NGOs who have great ideas, but don't have the capacity or the funding to implement them. And the government has chosen to steer a good chunk of their integration funds to large, established organizations rather than scrappy grassroots organizations that have a better sense of what's happening on the ground.

donkey balls

gurramok wrote: »

About Tyrrelstown , its very strange how it has evolved. I do see 'working class' types out there when I visit daytime so your comment is not true.

One has to ask why is there a high percentage of non-nationals in that area as to opposed lets say nearby Castleknock or Finglas for example?

I has always thought integration was about having non-nationals in every area and not just highly concentrated in a small handful of areas.

the reason why there is so many foreign nationals living in the likes of tyrellstwn/blanch&clonee compared to other established areas of dublin is the older parts of dublin had little or no space for new house developments.
you also had the buy to let style land lords emerge over the last few years where the only place you could afford was in these new estates, my mate lives in clonee(block of five houses)his house is the only one occupied by the owner the other four the HSE pays the rent for a certain ethnic minority.
you can allways tell if a house is rented are not by looking at the gardens (over grown un tidy etc)

gurramok

Yes, its a result of the building craze. Incentives were given to investors to buy new property instead of 2nd hand property and as most foreigners rent, they were the pool of willing tenants in these new places.

Thank Bertie for that.

aDeener

sexdwarf wrote: »

You do realise that this is a murdered child you're talking about? Angel or no, he was a 15 year old murdered. We should make a peaceful stand against all violence in our communities.

is that not for the courts to decide?

aDeener

Dudess wrote: »

I feel sorry for reasonable people whose views are more conservative-leaning when I see how misrepresented they are by the retarded stuff here. Seriously, can you come up with anything other than throwing out "bleeding heart"/"tree-hugger"? It's embarrassing!

Although not quite as embarrassing as the non stop misuse of "Trotskyite" (it sounds kinda clever so I suppose it's a good one to use).

And "neo liberal lefties" made me particularly laugh...

I do think though, and here's where I'm kinda in agreement with one point by I Drink It Up!, there is a tendency to big up the racism problem in Ireland - there is of course racism here, a sad reality in any society, but there does seem to be a set of overly right-on people who almost want there to be a really horrendous racism problem so they can go on about what an horrific banana republic Ireland is (zzzzzzzzz). It really does a disservice to e.g. those who experienced the horrors of Apartheid. I don't see crosses burning on people's lawns here, or skinhead rallies (like in leftie-liberal Sweden) or "Coloureds only" signs on toilet doors.

Still though, the people who are sneering at a kid being stabbed (because it gives them the opportunity to whinge about the "PC" media): delightful of you.

there is racism everywhere and it will never fully go away no matter how many marches there are. thats the reality im afraid

donkey balls

aDeener wrote: »

there is racism everywhere and it will never fully go away no matter how many marches there are. thats the reality im afraid

that is true but what i will not tolerate is every time you question an ethnic minority about something they throw the race card in your face.
i had a personell experience of this in work were i had to discipline one of my eployees(foreign national)all we got was you racists.
i was only in the job a couple of months and was informed that he brought the MD of the company to court i checked his personell file were i found that the company was paying for his work permit yet he brought a case against the MD.
so when you ask an employee to carry out a reasonable request and they refuse and wave the racist card should you just go and bury your head in the sand:mad:

Amhran Nua

southsiderosie wrote: »

But from the perspective of activists within the immigrant community (many of whom are skeptical about Irish do-gooders), "mainstream" Irish political institutions don't pay much more than lip service to their concerns.

I know it well, I'm on a steering committee for the city multicultural forum. I genuinely don't feel that there is a mechanism for raising community concerns with effective decision makers there, so I'm also working within immigrant communities.

southsiderosie wrote: »

That said, it doesn't seem that Irish people show up for any kind of social protest, because they generally see them as run by nutters.

A lot of people have serious problems standing alongside the likes of the SWP regardless of the issue, so you can blame them for the paucity of numbers attending protests - they are a very counterproductive social group, in my opinion.

southsiderosie wrote: »

Again, local government has very little leeway to run programs. And there are plenty of community NGOs who have great ideas, but don't have the capacity or the funding to implement them.

Theres a lot you can do with education and people who are motivated to do a little for the community once in a while though. I'm also working with the residents association in the area, we've cut burglaries to almost nothing and controlled antisocial student behaviour via an arrangement with the colleges. You don't need a huge budget if people pull together.

gollem_1975

biko wrote: »

Eh, no. Where did you get that from?

"To honour the memory of Toyosi Shitta-Bey, who tragically died last Friday, his family and friends are organising a march and rally to call on communities to unite against racism this Saturday"

http://www.wsm.ie/content/dublin-rally-memory-toyosi-shi ttabey
http://www.swp.ie/index.php?page=232&dept=Events

maybe the same place as the journalist ?

Toyosi's family and friends at odds over rally for slain teen

InKonspikuou2

As a really dark Latino living on the northside of Dublin i can honestly say i don't experience much racism. In fact most of the comments i just take as part of the Irish sense of humor which i find is very visual and appearance related in nature. Such as my fat/skinny/really pale/bald friends etc are all slagged over such traits. Irish people give and take a lot of stick without thinking compared to a lot of other countries. And i like it and have no problem with it. I've never been the victim of a racial tirade in Ireland. Just some remarks on nights out when you meet drunk people and the barrier which they'd normally erect when sober comes down so their tongue flies more freely.

I'm sure racism exists here and we don't know whether this murder was race related. Either way it doesn't mean Ireland is a racist country which is the way some of the self hating Irish people like to portray the place. That's one of the main flaws i find in Irish people. Quick and content to criticise themselves and their country but never do shít to correct why they complain.

MagicSean

Pittens wrote: »

Tyrrelstown seemed largely integrated to me when I was there. No Ghettos. No part of it black, and white, but every house with different ethnic groups. Mostly white, not all Irish. Not exactly Chicago, or Oakland.

so it is a pity this happened.

By the way Tyrrelstown is home not the old style working classes, but the new - often graduates etc. Not the most racist of groups.

the perps were from elsewhere.

( for the record I believe that the attack was racially motivated. cant think of any other reason).

Are you intimately familiar with the incident in some way that would give you an insight?

Pacing Mule

Going to throw a link to this thread and this particular post in case it has been missed.

gurramok

I went along to see this march, it started at 3pm, not 2pm. It's theme was defo 'anti-racism' with chants of 'No to racism' and 'We want peace'.(will upload video soon)

Lots of unions there waving their flags like SIPTU & TUI. SF and Socialist Worker were there with flags too. I did not see any other political party there. I do feel this march was hijacked.

Placards like 'jobs and housing for all' were waved, now whats that got to do with the killing?

karlm37

Nothing like a good session of 'Rabble Rabble' on a sunny Saturday aftrenoon to keep the Joe Duffy Brigade busy. A quick brick through a Head-Shop window and it's off to the boozer for the day I suppose.

The media manipulated attitude in this country really does sicken me.

Dudess

InKonspikuou2 wrote: »

As a really dark Latino living on the northside of Dublin i can honestly say i don't experience much racism

Yeah, rarely are people who don't have white skin asked their opinions when it comes to "OMG Ireland is so RACIST!!!" hysteria (again, not denying there is some racism - of course there is).

SlabMurphy

gurramok wrote: »

I went along to see this march, it started at 3pm, not 2pm. It's theme was defo 'anti-racism' with chants of 'No to racism' and 'We want peace'.(will upload video soon)

Lots of unions there waving their flags like SIPTU & TUI. SF and Socialist Worker were there with flags too. I did not see any other political party there. I do feel this march was hijacked.

Placards like 'jobs and housing for all' were waved, now whats that got to do with the killing?

Ah yes, just as I said, the Trots ( Trotskyites etc ) and tree huggers etc. Were they singing Micheal Jackson songs as well about how much we should all love each other :rolleyes: ?

Dyr

gurramok wrote: »

Placards like 'jobs and housing for all' were waved, now whats that got to do with the killing?

Oppressing the new irish by expecting them all to work is outrageous! :mad:

SlabMurphy

Well I wonder how many of the trendies and hippies will be out protesting about this - Gardai quiz six teenage boys over alleged rape

" SIX teenage boys have been interviewed by gardai following the alleged gang rape of a 14-year-old girl. The girl, a foreign national, is alleged to have been raped by six youths in a house and in a field. Gardai have interviewed a number of African youths of different nationalities about the incident. "

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-quiz-six-teenage-boys-over-alleged-rape-2129337.html

Oh, the joys of multiculturalism :rolleyes:

gurramok

Bambi wrote: »

Oppressing the new irish by expecting them all to work is outrageous! :mad:

Thing is, there were a couple of thousand marching.

If you count just the ordinary people with no political/union affiliations who were marching, the majority of participants(maybe 70%) were the 'new Irish'. Did the 'old Irish'(pc term:mad:) from Tyrellstown not bother to turn up?

gurramok

Apologies for the bad lighting on the camera at times but here is what i snapped of it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1logjXe9I5Q

Dudess

SlabMurphy wrote: »

Oh, the joys of multiculturalism :rolleyes:

Because... rape doesn't happen in non multi-cultural societies?

I love republicans too who whinge about the treatment of the Irish through the ages but have an issue with migration into Ireland - you're all awesome!

SlabMurphy

gurramok wrote: »

Apologies for the bad lighting on the camera at times but here is what i snapped of it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1logjXe9I5Q

Ah yes, a good turn out from the immigration industry.

Nodin

gollem_1975 wrote: »

maybe the same place as the journalist ?

Toyosi's family and friends at odds over rally for slain teen

Theres nothing there about the family disapproving. Perhaps if you read past the headline.....

pageant messiah wrote:

Going to throw a link to this thread and this particular post in case it has been missed.

Anecdotal wankology.

slab murphy wrote:

Ah yes, just as I said, the Trots ( Trotskyites etc ) and tree huggers etc.
..........the joys of multiculturalism...... the immigration industry

Is there somewhere else you could stuff your worn-out buzzwords?

Pacing Mule

Nodin wrote: »

Anecdotal wankology.

Can't see any difference to your own quoting of "facts"

Nodin

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Can't see any difference to your own quoting of "facts"

What, like documented court cases and links to national newspapers? Yeah, theres a real similarity between that and quoting some anonymous head-the-ball as fact.

gurramok

Nodin wrote: »

What, like documented court cases and links to national newspapers? Yeah, theres a real similarity between that and quoting some anonymous head-the-ball as fact.

As an outsider to this story, how did the charged person get his arm in a sling and a black eye? (from the RTE news video of court appearance).

Without knowing any facts about the incident(just like you do), it looks to me there was a fight about something(whether it was about race or whose soccer team was best we do not know) and as a result the young lad came off the worst. We'll know the facts when the court case comes.

Pacing Mule

Nodin wrote: »

What, like documented court cases and links to national newspapers? Yeah, theres a real similarity between that and quoting some anonymous head-the-ball as fact.

You quoted there being a conviction and linked to reports of a trial. You still haven't shown the report of the conviction or sentencing. Innocent until proven guilty etc. and it was being reported on many sites that there was a not guilty verdict after CCTV showed the accused elsewhere at the same time of the incident. I can't substantiate that at all myself to be fair but I'm not championing any side of the case just challenging what is being reported as concrete fact that does not appear to be.

Nodin

gurramok wrote: »

As an outsider to this story, how did the charged person get his arm in a sling and a black eye? (from the RTE news video of court appearance).
Without knowing any facts about the incident(just like you do), it looks to me there was a fight about something(whether it was about race or whose soccer team was best we do not know) and as a result the young lad came off the worst. We'll know the facts when the court case comes.

Indeed. Unfortunately, quoting other posters as "proof" of some story or other seems to be going on, and for some reason it hasn't been removed.

Nodin

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

but I'm not championing any side of the case just challenging what is being reported as concrete fact that does not appear to be.

...then why are you linking to an anonymous (6 posts to his name) member's story?

karlm37

Nodin wrote: »

Anecdotal wankology.

Yep, according to the Independant, his group of friends were a smashing bunch of lads...

Following the death, there were angry scenes at a remembrance ceremony for Toy when a number of his friends had to be restrained from attacking properties in the Tyrrelstown area where he died

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/toyosis-family-and-friends-at-odds-over-rally-for-slain-teen-2132760.html

Pacing Mule

Nodin wrote: »

...then why are you linking to an anonymous (6 posts to his name) member's story?

Because the widely reported version of what happened differs substantially from the local residents who witnessed the incidents in question. The papers have been full of the event being a purely racial attack, this thread has many comments posted based on those reports. I'd like to see a balance to this.

LookingFor

My sister's fiance works in security, and he's been talking to friends who work in the same field in Tyrrellstown...and they're relaying all sorts about the circumstances around this killing, from the business and shop owners in the area. I don't know if any of that 'talk' is widespread or known or has been reported on in the press? If it's not true it's a terrible blackening of his name, post death makes it even worse, but if it is true...well, there's more to this story than 'a killing of an innocent boy' and it makes the charge of manslaughter vs murder much more understandable. I didn't understand why the gardai went with manslaughter when it 'appeared' to be so clearly murder, but in the context of this it made way more sense.

I can give the jist of the stuff I was told, but dunno if it's already been discussed.

Ammonite

LookingFor wrote: »

My sister's fiance works in security, and he's been talking to friends who work in the same field in Tyrrellstown...and they're relaying all sorts about the circumstances around this killing, from the business and shop owners in the area. I don't know if any of that 'talk' is widespread or known or has been reported on in the press? If it's not true it's a terrible blackening of his name, post death makes it even worse, but if it is true...well, there's more to this story than 'a killing of an innocent boy' and it makes the charge of manslaughter vs murder much more understandable. I didn't understand why the gardai went with manslaughter when it 'appeared' to be so clearly murder, but in the context of this it made way more sense.

I can give the jist of the stuff I was told, but dunno if it's already been discussed.

A few people have now posted and hinted that there is more to the story that it being a "random racist attack", as the media would have us believe. So either these people are all getting word of vicious rumours from the same place (it's possible) or there is some truth in the rumours.

Given what's been bandied about, I'm inclined to believe that there's at least a grain of truth in what's being said. I think the media may be spinning this out of proportion to get a story. Could be totally wrong of course.

I also feel the "march" is ridiculous, whether he was an angel or not. The perpretators may or may not have had a racial motive but either way, I don't think we have a huge racism problem in this country at the moment and a march is not gonna change the opinion of anyone about racism, certainly not the types who would stab a guy to death.

Are these protesters mostly his family and friends or what proportion are just randomers who showed up? Can understand people who knew the guy but if people didn't know the guy then it might be jumping on the bandwagon to go and march about racism in response to his death.

Kernel

SlabMurphy wrote: »

We stopped the so called love Ulster march. The Irish govt. is respondcible for any violence that day by giving the unionists the go ahead to march :mad:

Are you sure you didn't play into the hands of the Orange Order by simply proving their point that the 26 counties was simply not ready for the integration of the unionists?

Nodin

karlm37 wrote: »

Yep, according to the Independant, his group of friends were a smashing bunch of lads...

Hmmm, young lads angry at other lads death want to do something stupid. Wow, thats new and unexpected.

pageant messiah wrote:

Because the widely reported version of what happened differs substantially from the local residents who witnessed the incidents in question.

But, as that isn't sworn testimony in a trial, thats just more anecdotal shite.....

pageant messiah wrote:

The papers have been full of the event being a purely racial attack, this thread has many comments posted based on those reports. I'd like to see a balance to this.

.....by posting/linking anecdotal crap, which is unprovable either way.

I Drink It Up!

Less than 1000 people showed up, and it was good weather....turns out to have been a big nothing after all. In the meantime, nobody has been charged with murder, racially aggravated or otherwise.

Dionysus

gurramok wrote: »

Thing is, there were a couple of thousand marching.

If you count just the ordinary people with no political/union affiliations who were marching, the majority of participants(maybe 70%) were the 'new Irish'. Did the 'old Irish'(pc term:mad:) from Tyrellstown not bother to turn up?

"New Irish"? As an Irish guy who lived in Britain in the 1960s pointed out in a letter to The Irish Times last April:

Madam, – Where did this “New Irish” codology come from? (Page 1 headline, April 9th “New Irish win top Garda awards”). When I emigrated to work in England in the 1960s, I would have been outraged if I had been described as “New English”. I suspect that most, if not all of the immigrants in Ireland would have similar feelings about their nationality being usurped. – Yours, etc,

CLIFFORD HILLIARD,

Proby Square,

Blackrock,

Co Dublin.

---

That just about sums up my feelings about this "New Irish" term.