What's With This Rally In Dublin on Saturday?

I Drink It Up!

Ehhhh....no, there was not a few thousand marching. There was less than 1000.

I Drink It Up!

gurramok wrote: »

I went along to see this march, it started at 3pm, not 2pm. It's theme was defo 'anti-racism' with chants of 'No to racism' and 'We want peace'.(will upload video soon)

Lots of unions there waving their flags like SIPTU & TUI. SF and Socialist Worker were there with flags too. I did not see any other political party there. I do feel this march was hijacked.

Placards like 'jobs and housing for all' were waved, now whats that got to do with the killing?

Thats what I said would happen. The Unions and the Left need this kind of thing....with the Church dead, they need a new enemy. Apparently the accidental death of a none-too-angelic young man is their ticket to street activism. Jobs and housing for dead people...indeed.

Pacing Mule

Nodin wrote: »

Hmmm, young lads angry at other lads death want to do something stupid. Wow, thats new and unexpected.



But, as that isn't sworn testimony in a trial, thats just more anecdotal shite.....



.....by posting/linking anecdotal crap, which is unprovable either way.

Agree 100% with your first sentences.

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Nothing posted here by anyone including yourself or printed in the media is any different though and should be treated with the same skepticism.

I Drink It Up!

The allegations that this was a racist murder is itself "anecdotal" ****e...nobody has been charged with Murder......

Jay D

It's a load of balls in fairness. I'm not racist (yawn) just like most people ffs.

Is this rally today a kind of thing to say - I AM BLACK - or whatever else.

Do they honestly think a poxy march is going to anything to deter a spur of the moment incident in the future that may or may not involve someone being called this or that? How about we march for all the people that are murdered. What will that achieve?

Ass holes.

Appleglue

In reply to the above poster
"JAY D"

"It's a load of balls in fairness"
What??

"Do they honestly think a poxy march is going to DO anything "

I added the "do" guessing you forgot,
would you prefer that no action is taken at all?
I don't understand your thinking.
you think having a rally will make no difference...

Doing nothing achieves nothing

Thou shalt not kill! is a message which needs to be constantly shoved down everyone's throats, every little action to do so helps.

Pacing Mule

Appleglue wrote: »

Thou shalt not kill! is a message which needs to be constantly shoved down everyone's throats, every little action to do so helps.

Ironically shoving stuff down peoples throats could and often does kill them.

livingtargets

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Thats what I said would happen. The Unions and the Left need this kind of thing....with the Church dead, they need a new enemy. Apparently the accidental death of a none-too-angelic young man is their ticket to street activism. Jobs and housing for dead people...indeed.

What a load of bollocks.

I was there.I saw people of all stripes,not just your Trot LGBT bogeymen.If you had bothered to travel into town to see what you`re condemning,you`d have seen a lovely choir singing Amazing Grace and other mad lefty songs followed by a pastor leading the crowd in prayer calling for non-violence and an end to senseless killings.Right after this,a muslim prayer calling for much the same.

Then,if you had bothered to come you`d have seen the family on stage,including his sister who gave a heart breaking speech and recited a lovely poem she had written for her brother.Then a member of the Tyrellstown community came on and(to great applause,I add)told the crowd that Tyrellstown is a welcoming and vibrant working class community with great relations between residents of all cultures.

You might also have seen the local principal who re-enforced the message that Tyrellstown is a fantastic community.Not to mention that you might have seen Green Partier Ciarán Cuffe on stage beside Jack O`Connor and Joe Higgens.

I can`t help but notice that no-one has mentioned that the Labour Party had a sizeable presence and banner,as did the football fans and the African Union.
And yes,the Communist Party was there,as were Éirigí,Sinn Féin,SIPTU,the TUI and various other groups and parties;but the biggest group was the ordinary people of Dublin,black and white and all in between marching with their families and friends.

Here`s an idea:stop being a petty begrudger.Even if there was "only a thousand",it was a fantasticly positive and over-whelmingly peaceful show of solidarity that made me proud to be a Dubliner.I truly hope that one day you could let go of your silly prejudices and take part in something as powerful and enriching.

Morlar

I think when the 2nd half of this story finally is covered in the media (possibly at the trial) all these various assorted parties of the left are going to be left feeling & looking much the same as all the pamela & kunle supporters.

Dyr

livingtargets wrote: »

.I truly hope that one day you could let go of your silly prejudices and take part in something as powerful and enriching.

A prejudice is a prejudgement: i.e. a preconceived belief, opinion, or judgment made without ascertaining the facts of a case

Sound familiar? It should.:)

livingtargets

Bambi wrote: »

A prejudice is a prejudgement: i.e. a preconceived belief, opinion, or judgment made without ascertaining the facts of a case

Sound familiar? It should.:)

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Also,couldn`t help but noticed you ignored the rest of the post.You go on pretending that only mad lefties were there,if you want.

Dyr

livingtargets wrote: »

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Also,couldn`t help but noticed you ignored the rest of the post. You go on pretending that only mad lefties were there,if you want.

i went past the wee gathering today, it wasn't just the usual banner brigade, there was a representation the new irish there too, hopping on the high horse like they did for Kunle and Pam. Did'nt see the great unwashed of dublin though. Hopefully you'll all be marching on the dundalk stabbings too, ye never know one of them poor bastards might have been black too.

Or maybe hold a march calling for mandatory sentencing for violent crimes or a three strike rule. See how much of radical left show up for that.

Appleglue

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Ironically shoving stuff down peoples throats could and often does kill them.

very witty

hughkane

Takes the attention off the government

Pot Noodle =

It was a shame about the young lad but all these faction jumping on the bandwagon is decrepit.

donkey balls

Morlar wrote: »

I think when the 2nd half of this story finally is covered in the media (possibly at the trial) all these various assorted parties of the left are going to be left feeling & looking much the same as all the pamela & kunle supporters.

im surprised RAR have not jumped on the band wagon and your 100% correct the full story has not come out yet and when it does there will be a lot of red faces.

Orange69

donkey balls wrote: »

the full story has not come out yet and when it does there will be a lot of red faces.

There wont be any red faces or climb downs, the media and the bleeding hearts will quietly ignore it like the inconvenient truth that it is. Being a liberal or taking part in the liberal media is all based on ignoring facts and reality.

Fear Uladh

Ffs I really am surprised by some of the comments in here, everyone keeps referring to people "jumping on the bandwagon" just because they went out and showed support for a young lad dying? So what if nothing happened? Would the same Cynical Brigade moan about that? Wise up and see it for what it is.

Pacing Mule

Chillaxe wrote: »

Ffs I really am surprised by some of the comments in here, everyone keeps referring to people "jumping on the bandwagon" just because they went out and showed support for a young lad dying? So what if nothing happened? Would the same Cynical Brigade moan about that? Wise up and see it for what it is.

From my perspective a tragic death was wrongly reported as being a racist attack. This came from a mixture of media wanting to sell papers and those with their own agendas for promoting the notion of an immigrant community under attack. Then the "racist attack" was used as a focal point for a march against racism. That I have a major problem with.

Fear Uladh

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

From my perspective a tragic death was wrongly reported as being a racist attack. This came from a mixture of media wanting to sell papers and those with their own agendas for promoting the notion of an immigrant community under attack. Then the "racist attack" was used as a focal point for a march against racism. That I have a major problem with.

Nobody knows either way if it was a racist attack or not yet. Anybody with an ounce of sense knows that the media blow things out of proportion on a daily basis, however I read a lot of newspapers etc and I never once heard the term "it was a racist attack" they simply reported that a white man killed a black man. It seems people like to assume the worst every time, while I agree there are idiots out there that will gossip idley and jump the gun given a chance, the rally should still be seen as an act of well-being and solidarity among the community, something which is rare in Dublin or anywhere for that matter.

Pacing Mule

Chillaxe wrote: »

Nobody knows either way if it was a racist attack or not yet.

I know what happened. I live in Tyrrelstown and this was not a random racist attack.

Fear Uladh

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

I know what happened. I live in Tyrrelstown and this was not a random racist attack.

Then why don't you go to the press or news reporters and tell them?

Pot Noodle =

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

I know what happened. I live in Tyrrelstown and this was not a random racist attack.

Do you know the full story

Pacing Mule

Chillaxe wrote: »

Then why don't you go to the press or news reporters and tell them?

We have tried believe me. PM sent.

K-9

Morlar wrote: »

Or that east european crowbar rape gang who dragged those white Irish girls out of the car calling them 'irish bitch' before smashing them up with crowbars and raping one of them. No hint of this solidarity or support there whatsoever. If your black and the victim of a crime you are a super special case in the eyes of the liberal left and the media in Ireland.

Did a case ever get taken for that?

If its the case in Louth I'm thinking of, charges where dropped as there was no DNA evidence of rape. Very, very strange case.

Pot Noodle =

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

We have tried believe me. PM sent.

Can you PM me too

Pacing Mule

Pot wrote:

Do you know the full story

I think unless you were actualy there during the entire time of both incidents then you can't swear to know the full 100% accurate story.

That said from what I saw personally and from what I have been told by neighbours who witnessed these events I can be sure that the first reports of a random racist attack on a child walking home etc are wrong.

Nodin

K-9 wrote: »

Did a case ever get taken for that?

If its the case in Louth I'm thinking of, charges where dropped as there was no DNA evidence of rape. Very, very strange case.

Aye, no physical or DNA evidence of a gang rape, which considering it was reported the night/morning after it was supposed to have happened says a lot.

Fear Uladh

It isn't surprising that the media dosen't print both sides of the story, but like I said in an earlier post anyone with an ounce of sense know there is two sides to everything and the press will only print what sells papers.

Pot Noodle =

Chillaxe wrote: »

It isn't surprising that the media dosen't print both sides of the story, but like I said in an earlier post anyone with an ounce of sense know there is two sides to everything and the press will only print what sells papers.

Paper takes ink

MagicSean

Chillaxe wrote: »

Ffs I really am surprised by some of the comments in here, everyone keeps referring to people "jumping on the bandwagon" just because they went out and showed support for a young lad dying? So what if nothing happened? Would the same Cynical Brigade moan about that? Wise up and see it for what it is.

How is a giant Socialist Party poster supposed to support him. It was blatant self promotion and took away from the tragedy.

Orange69

Chillaxe wrote: »

I read a lot of newspapers etc and I never once heard the term "it was a racist attack" they simply reported that a white man killed a black man.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2010/0410/1224268022776.html

I count 15 uses of the 'R' word in this article alone, the headline being 'Toy thought he was safe here'... you must be reading some very odd papers...

The media really should be ashamed of themselves.

K-9

Nodin wrote: »

Aye, no physical or DNA evidence of a gang rape, which considering it was reported the night/morning after it was supposed to have happened says a lot.

Sounded like gang rivalry. I'd say previous history too.

Still, that was a very popular thread on here, very similar to what the "tell it as it is" brigade are going on about. The ironing is delicious. When the truth came out, not a whimper on here.

Plenty of cases in the last few years of public outrage at white victims of knife crime and other violent crime too.

I suppose people dismiss this stuff as it doesn't fit with the white persecution complex, so common on AH. Is it coz I'm white?

OutlawPete

K-9 wrote: »

I suppose people dismiss this stuff as it doesn't fit with the white persecution complex, so common on AH. Is it coz I'm white?

I can't believe this crap.

There is a "white persecution complex' on After Hours?

What utter nonsense.

I Drink It Up!

Well Kathy Sheridan is one of these bleeding heart white bitches anyways...the next Marian Finucane, all she needs is her own TV show...where she can slurp breastlessly into the Mic about a "Police State"...

I Drink It Up!

Chillaxe wrote: »

Ffs I really am surprised by some of the comments in here, everyone keeps referring to people "jumping on the bandwagon" just because they went out and showed support for a young lad dying? So what if nothing happened? Would the same Cynical Brigade moan about that? Wise up and see it for what it is.

It is wrong to show support for the death of young men.

Millicent

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Well Kathy Sheridan is one of these bleeding heart white bitches anyways...the next Marian Finucane, all she needs is her own TV show...where she can slurp breastlessly into the Mic about a "Police State"...

Weird Freudian slip there?! Where are her breasts and why can't she slurp with them? :P

Pineapple stu

Taken from the link above


Outside Cloverhill District Court on Tuesday – which was attended by about 50 members of the Nigerian community – half a dozen of the younger lads were standing around when a similar number of tattooed white women passed nearby. “Bitch,” murmured one of the lads to nobody in particular. “Don’t you ****in’ call me a bitch,” a woman began, when an older black man immediately moved the boys away, apologising repeatedly, while a black woman took them sternly to task: “Don’t you ever call a woman that.”

If it had been the other way round it would have been called racist abuse so whats the difference ?
Does this show that young nigerian lads can be lippy as well and are not always innocent which could have been the case in Tyrrelstown on Good Friday ?
To me and i hope im wrong, the rally/march looks like a smokescreen to defer the attention that some of their own had a bigger part to play in the tragic death than what we are led to believe.
Nothing is being reported about what the actions of the young lads friends that day and what was their role in it or how the man charged ended up with his injurys.

AlmightyCushion

Nodin wrote: »

It is when the accussed has a conviction for a previous racial attack.

Hi, have you anything to back this up with?

Pacing Mule

I have asked the same several times. All that has been provided is a link to an article about a charge / court appearance which it is claimed by those who know him ended up in a not guilty verdict after CCTV of him was shown proving he was in a different location at the time of the incident.

For the record I don't personally know him and this is not my own information.

Highly Salami

I Drink It Up! wrote: »

Young lad was stabbed and now Gay/Lesbians/Unions/Plough-and-Star types have been invited to bring their banners to the GoR for a march on the Dail. What's the purpose of this?

Where is the GoR?

Nodin

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Hi, have you anything to back this up with?

From post 244.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-charged-with-hatred-in-racist-attack-on-father-son-345834.html

Pacing Mule

Nodin wrote: »

From post 244.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-charged-with-hatred-in-racist-attack-on-father-son-345834.html

Yet again you link to a story about a case being taken but fail to prove your statement that he was convicted.

Nodin

I have to admit at this stage I can't find any further on the case.

AlmightyCushion

Nodin wrote: »

From post 244.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/four-charged-with-hatred-in-racist-attack-on-father-son-345834.html

Like said by messiah, he was charged not convicted. Big difference.

geeky

Millicent wrote: »

Weird Freudian slip there?! Where are her breasts and why can't she slurp with them? :P

Perhaps it's like trying to suck your own lad.

Nodin

Hmmmmm. I made the mistake of doing what I criticise others for and took somebodys word for it. Having seen the original charge reported I presumed I'd find the conviction. Terrible screwing up in public, but there ye go. Apologies etc.

Pacing Mule

Well fair play for having the balls to post that.

K-9

OutlawPete wrote: »

I can't believe this crap.

There is a "white persecution complex' on After Hours?

What utter nonsense.

Yep, complete nonsense. Its there, same as the pc'er, do gooder complex.

supermonkey

Did his Dad ask for the rally to be cancelled or not? If so why did they go ahead with it? And if he didn't say it should be cancelled would ye stop lying and saying he did?