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Typing the Leaving Cert.

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    #32
    theowen
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    Dilan Vast Waterworks wrote: »
    Keyloggers are actually very often used on computers, especially in offices and the like.

    I doubt they'd use them for this though. It's kinda frowned upon by most people, same as tapping phones etc. and I don't think the SEC would be getting involved in any shady tactics like that lol

    As for the person you quoted, if they don't tell us then how would he/she have found out? :pac: I really don't think they'd use them tbh.
    It'd would be very easy to just stick in a usb key with crap loads of info really?


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    #33
    ldxo15wus6fpgm
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    theowen wrote: »
    It'd would be very easy to just stick in a usb key with crap loads of info really?

    As far as I'm aware, you have to save your work at regular intervals so they can see you're actually progressing through the exam. It would still be quite easy to just cut and paste chunks though...

    However if there was a keylogger, you could just open the documents on the USB side by side with your actual exam document, and type the pre-prepared answers manually into your exam document, so all the keystrokes are logged and it looks legit.

    If you have any know-how at all with computers you could fairly easily overcome most of what they throw at you, which as far as I've heard is all pretty basic stuff.
    What I reckon they'd do, if they've any sense, is uninstall the drivers for the USB ports in the computer. Seeing as you don't have the net you won't be able to get the drivers again, so there's not much you could do.
    The only way of beating that would be to stick a CD/floppy in on the sly during the exam - much harder to do as they both make a little noise and are more easily seen when you're putting them in.


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    #34
    unknown13
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    gemxpink wrote: »
    they have a program set up on it that records everything you do and type too, kinda like the school computers. Of course they don't tell you this lol.

    Sorry but that is a load of crap. The SEC aren't that harsh for starters and secondly you are in a separate room, so the chances of you cheating are extremely low because the examiner will be in the room with you and is going to see what you are doing and if you take out notes he will catch very quickly and your exams cancelled.


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    #35
    Mark Long
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    Could you not just go into the room the day before the exam and save all the stuff you need?


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    #36
    unknown13
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    Mark Long wrote: »
    Could you not just go into the room the day before the exam and save all the stuff you need?

    The laptop / computer has to be wiped clean. They can check that easily and have to right to check it for that reason.


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    #37
    Mark Long
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    out of interest, who is 'they'? Is that the person who comes in to supervise you?


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    #38
    ldxo15wus6fpgm
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    Mark Long wrote: »
    out of interest, who is 'they'? Is that the person who comes in to supervise you?

    I'm not sure about other schools, but there's a guy (employed by the SEC I think) who has come in to ours specially to oversee all the reasonable accommodations stuff. He'd be the guy who is setting up the laptop I'll be using.


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    #39
    unknown13
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    Mark Long wrote: »
    out of interest, who is 'they'? Is that the person who comes in to supervise you?

    The invigilator


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    #40
    gruffler91
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    munkymanmatt- are u using your own laptop or are the school giving you one?


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    #41
    ldxo15wus6fpgm
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    Using one of the school's. There's an outrageous fee for using your own because they have to wipe it (which takes all of 10 minutes) - I think it's something like €150 :mad:


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    #42
    rainbowtrout
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    Mark Long wrote: »
    Are you certain about that? I don't see how they could see what you have typed if you delete if after

    No they don't it's just a standard computer/laptop, but you have a supervisor looking over your shoulder, you won't be able to do anything untoward.


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    #43
    ldxo15wus6fpgm
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    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    No they don't it's just a standard computer/laptop, but you have a supervisor looking over your shoulder, you won't be able to do anything untoward.

    I've been told that it's very unlikely they'll be looking over your shoulder. I wouldn't be too bothered if they were, but someone who is nervous would have major problems with that.

    I already know my supervisor anyway and I doubt she'll be doing that :D


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    #44
    rainbowtrout
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    Dilan Vast Waterworks wrote: »
    I've been told that it's very unlikely they'll be looking over your shoulder. I wouldn't be too bothered if they were, but someone who is nervous would have major problems with that.

    I already know my supervisor anyway and I doubt she'll be doing that :D

    Well not in the physical sense but they will be watching you do your exam. That's their job.


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    #45
    theowen
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    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    Well not in the physical sense but they will be watching you do your exam. That's their job.
    I've seen and worked on the laptop I'll be using and it has USB ports and no watcher programmes etc. I'm sure if you really wanted to, you could just click off the pre prepared stuff you have before they walk over. Just food for thought...:rolleyes:


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    #46
    ldxo15wus6fpgm
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    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    Well not in the physical sense but they will be watching you do your exam. That's their job.

    Ah yeah they'd be checking on you often enough. Just depends how far they sit from you, if you're not too close you could do stuff on the sly :cool:
    theowen wrote: »
    I've seen and worked on the laptop I'll be using and it has USB ports and no watcher programmes etc. I'm sure if you really wanted to, you could just click off the pre prepared stuff you have before they walk over. Just food for thought...:rolleyes:

    I reckon they wouldn't have the software set up on the computer before the exams... it would make it all too easy for someone to look up the software and find out how to exploit it/ beat it. That is, if they do put software on them at all lol


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    #47
    branie
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    When I did the Leaving cert, I had a separate room and of the school computers.


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    #48
    Mark Long
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    branie wrote: »
    When I did the Leaving cert, I had a separate room and of the school computers.

    Cheers mate. Do you remember what they did in terms of checking if you were cheating?


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    #49
    Ian Beale
    Registered Users Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Ian Beale


    They will check to make sure you aren't cheating, and also it's possible to check if anything was connected to a pc with time stamps, if your caught cheating the penalty is very high, exam is cancelled and your not allowed sit state exams for 5 years.

    In short - don't try it.


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    #50
    Mark Long
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    Ian Beale wrote: »
    and also it's possible to check if anything was connected to a pc with time stamps,

    I think you need some software to do that and I don't think the computer would have it


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    #51
    Ian Beale
    Registered Users Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Ian Beale


    Mark Long wrote: »
    I think you need some software to do that and I don't think the computer would have it
    There's in built tools in windows that do it, if anyone is seriously thinking about cheating by bringing in memory cards don't do it you will get caught


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    #52
    KnifeWRENCH
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    Ian Beale wrote: »
    They will check to make sure you aren't cheating, and also it's possible to check if anything was connected to a pc with time stamps, if your caught cheating the penalty is very high, exam is cancelled and your not allowed sit state exams for 5 years.

    In short - don't try it.
    Ian Beale wrote: »
    There's in built tools in windows that do it, if anyone is seriously thinking about cheating by bringing in memory cards don't do it you will get caught

    ^ Pay attention to this, folks. Cheating is bad, mmkay? And remember, this forum is not for anyone looking for ways to cheat in the LC (just in case anybody had that in mind...)


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    #53
    spurious
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    This is a public forum. The number of students using a laptop is low.
    Even an idle threat to cheat is a bit silly.


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    #54
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Indeed.


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