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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

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    #5672
    theKramer
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Mujatis-racism-claims-probed-20110828
    Remember that now. It was all quietly swept under the carpet as far as I remember. Something to do with "special" calls ;)


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    #5673
    tolosenc
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Nagle for Ruddock swap.

    No thanks.


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    #5674
    Sindri
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    theKramer wrote: »
    Remember that now. It was all quietly swept under the carpet as far as I remember. Something to do with "special" calls ;)

    Was there actually any veracity to his (Mujati's) claims?


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    #5675
    GerM
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    tolosenc wrote: »
    No thanks.

    As of this moment in time, I'd agree. Nothing I've seen this season suggests Nagle is ready to bring his game to the next level and play in the HEC. He's 24 early next season and is well down the pecking order in Munster. From his few showings this season, he's another couple of years from being an option at HEC level. Ruddock has started a couple of HEC games and played well. He's also 2 years younger. I'd want someone with a bit more proven quality if such a deal was to be brokered. Unfortunately, lock is the area Leinster really need players. Redundant proposal though as Nagle has another year on his contract after this one. If Ruddock goes south in the summer, I don't think there will be anyone coming in the opposite direction.


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    #5676
    irishbucsfan
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    Of course Ruddock is far superior! I'd just rather lose him for Nagle than noone. Nagle will be a top player, be sure of it.

    I don't believe Ruddock will go yet though.


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    #5677
    phog
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    tolosenc wrote: »
    No thanks.

    Why would you need Nagle, haven't you Marshall, C Rudock and Flanagan?


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    #5678
    GerM
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Of course Ruddock is far superior! I'd just rather lose him for Nagle than noone. Nagle will be a top player, be sure of it.

    Wouldn't bet against it. He's at a very similar stage of his career that Ryan was at. The one thing someone needs to develop is games and Ryan is evidence of that. The more games he has managed under his belt, at a higher level, the better he has become. He's now a far more accomplished player than he was even 18 months ago. With that said, Nagle is still pretty much an unknown quantity to a large degree. It's very difficult to know if someone is going to cut it at the top level. If we knew that then Des Dillon, Gavin Duffy and Jeremy Staunton would be the current superstars of Irish rugby.


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    #5679
    Maxine Wrong Grits
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    not unhappy to see Sykes go.

    Still not satisfied with how the NH game was dealt with tbh. We'll never be certain of the truth either way, but I can't see how it was a "misunderstanding" tbh.


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    #5680
    danthefan
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    Sindri wrote: »
    Was there actually any veracity to his (Mujati's) claims?

    The story, from someone who certainly has some kind of inside line into the Leinster setup, was that a scrum call was used that the Sharks use in SA. Mujati didn't hear it at the time, was told about it later, and flipped. At the hearing they contacted the Sharks, including Tendai Mtawarira (who is black, in case it needs to be pointed out), who confirmed the call was legitimate.


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    #5681
    tolosenc
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    phog wrote: »
    Why would you need Nagle, haven't you Marshall, C Rudock and Flanagan?

    Basically.

    From what we've seen of them to date, Ruddock looks the better prospect. Also, a young, inexperienced lock with reasonable potential is a commodity we're not particularly short of.

    If I was picking the Leinster team with Leo out, I'd have Toner and Locky in the row with Browne on the bench, and the backrow would be O'Brien, Ryan and Heaslip, with Ruddock benching, rotating Ryan with Ruddock and then moving SOB to 7. (Or maybe Heaslip...)


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    #5682
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    phog wrote: »
    Why would you need Nagle, haven't you Marshall, C Rudock and Flanagan?
    Marshall and Ruddock are more backrow players who can play at lock than locks


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    #5683
    Hagz
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    phog wrote: »
    Why would you need Nagle, haven't you Marshall, C Rudock and Flanagan?

    Ben Marshall is a back-rower, and Ciaran Ruddock is a 6. But yeh, Flanagan is a good prospect.


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    #5684
    GerM
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    phog wrote: »
    Why would you need Nagle, haven't you Marshall, C Rudock and Flanagan?

    Marshall and Ruddock find themselves in the back row more and more these days and their only senior appearances have come there too. Leinster have a major problem developing locks. If they didn't, they wouldn't be coming up with initiatives like "Route 6'6"". Flanagan has some promise but with Sykes gone and Cullen just turned 34 and requiring surgery, Leinster could do with 2 more locks in the squad. At the moment they have Browne on a one year deal and McLaughlin, a flanker, providing cover.

    Whether it's Nagle or not, Leinster need to get out there and sign another lock this summer.


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    #5685
    PhatPiggins
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    tolosenc wrote: »
    No thanks.

    Grand we'll have them both then. Which is whats likely to happen.

    Did someone mention C.Ruddock as a player with potential :pac:


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    #5686
    irishbucsfan
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    Based on evidence of how scrums have performed with Locky in the row I cannot see him playing there unless it's as substitute cover. Browne is a far better 2nd row and he'll start with Toner, with Flanagan on the bench I am guessing and Ruddock as 4th choice until Cullen is back. Maybe we'll see Marshall who really will have to play 2nd row if he wants to play pro rugby in Ireland.

    That is unless Feek has been doing some full scrummaging sessions with KMcL at 2nd row but I'm not aware that's been happening and let's not forget it won't be happening while the 6 Nations are on, which coincides with Cullen's injury. Not the best time to shove a player around in the scrum out of position, but that's the small downside of having the Irish scrum expert I suppose.


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    #5687
    CouchSmart
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    It's disappointing losing Sykes. He never really got going. Seems to indicate in the interview that he wants to raise his kids at home, can't really hold that against him. Was unfortunate with injuries and pregnancies! Hopefully he'll have some success with the Sharks now.

    It does't leave Leinster in particularly good shape. 3 senior locks and a very callow Flanagan. We'll sign someone over the summer surely. Based on the changes to the Irish squad today can we assume that Leo's putting off his surgery? No mention off him dropping out of the squad or a replacement being brought in. Wrong decision IMO. No doubt he'll be invaluable during the 6N as a leader out his playing time will be limited/none. If he has the surgery he'll be available for Leinster HEC knock-out game(s) and the summer tour to NZ where his leadership and maturity would be of a much greater need - perhaps a captain of the mid week team, if we have smaller games (I think we do?). He's likely to miss that tour and be playing injured in the HEC if he skips the surgery.

    TL;DR: Leo shouldn't skip his surgery.


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    #5688
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    CouchSmart wrote: »
    perhaps a captain of the mid week team, if we have smaller games (I think we do?)
    Given how important midweek matches could be to the development of young players and how useful they could be in trying out new combinations, you'd think that it would be foolish to even question whether well be using them.

    But then you realise...

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    #5689
    Maxine Wrong Grits
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    Cullen shouldn't travel to NZ.


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    #5690
    phog
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Marshall and Ruddock are more backrow players who can play at lock than locks
    Hagz wrote: »
    Ben Marshall is a back-rower, and Ciaran Ruddock is a 6. But yeh, Flanagan is a good prospect.

    The reason I named these three players is that Leinsterrugby.ie have them down as locks and they are similar in age to Nagle.

    Ben Marshall

    Mark Flanagan

    Ciaran Ruddock


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    #5691
    Maxine Wrong Grits
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    Haven't seen much of Ruddock to form an opinion, Marshall has played at 8 every time I've seen him in the last 2 years, and is very solid at the base of a scrum. I think he's got bags of potential as a specialist 8.

    Flanagan was very good in his appearance, was gritty and worked hard. I'm looking forward to seeing more of him in the second row.

    Toner and Browne with Flanagan/Locky covering should be fine for the rest of the season. I'd like to keep Browne on tbh, I think he's been very impressive.


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    #5692
    iamjenko
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    CouchSmart wrote: »
    It's disappointing losing Sykes. He never really got going. Seems to indicate in the interview that he wants to raise his kids at home, can't really hold that against him. Was unfortunate with injuries and pregnancies! Hopefully he'll have some success with the Sharks now.

    It does't leave Leinster in particularly good shape. 3 senior locks and a very callow Flanagan. We'll sign someone over the summer surely. Based on the changes to the Irish squad today can we assume that Leo's putting off his surgery? No mention off him dropping out of the squad or a replacement being brought in. Wrong decision IMO. No doubt he'll be invaluable during the 6N as a leader out his playing time will be limited/none. If he has the surgery he'll be available for Leinster HEC knock-out game(s) and the summer tour to NZ where his leadership and maturity would be of a much greater need - perhaps a captain of the mid week team, if we have smaller games (I think we do?). He's likely to miss that tour and be playing injured in the HEC if he skips the surgery.

    TL;DR: Leo shouldn't skip his surgery.

    It was announced a couple of weeks ago that there would be no mid-week gamesw on the NZ tour this summer. The NZRFU wanted them but couldnt come to an agreement with the IRFU.


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    #5693
    JustinDee
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    iamjenko wrote: »
    It was announced a couple of weeks ago that there would be no mid-week gamesw on the NZ tour this summer. The NZRFU wanted them but couldnt come to an agreement with the IRFU.

    Who said that?
    Think about it a sec:
    Midweek games means a greater sized squad/management travelling. Greater sized squad means a markable increase on cost of tour.

    Who pays for a touring side's costs (facilities, accommodation etc)...?


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    #5694
    iamjenko
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    http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/irish-snub-nz-game-plan-2982625.html

    I think its the hosting Union that foots the bill but i could be wrong


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    #5695
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    iamjenko wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/irish-snub-nz-game-plan-2982625.html

    I think its the hosting Union that foots the bill but i could be wrong
    No the IRFU accounts for last year specifically mention the high costs required by the size of the touring part due to a mid week game last season.

    EDIT Can't find it now so I could be wrong


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    #5696
    iamjenko
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    No the IRFU accounts for last year specifically mention the high costs required by the size of the touring part due to a mid week game last season.

    Oh right, fair enough. Was it the other way around at some stage then I wonder?


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    #5697
    errlloyd
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Haven't seen much of Ruddock to form an opinion, Marshall has played at 8 every time I've seen him in the last 2 years, and is very solid at the base of a scrum. I think he's got bags of potential as a specialist 8.

    Marshall was always a second row for Greystones and in schools rugby. I think he has potential there.


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    #5698
    JustinDee
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    No the IRFU accounts for last year specifically mention the high costs required by the size of the touring part due to a mid week game last season.
    A home union covers the main costs (accommodation, travel within etc). Extra costs such as medical, fitness, insurance and logistical are liable to touring party.


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    #5699
    Podge_irl
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    A home union covers the main costs (accommodation, travel within etc). Extra costs such as medical, fitness, insurance and logistical are liable to touring party.

    Do the touring party receive any income from the tour?


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    #5700
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Do the touring party receive any income from the tour?
    I remember a few months ago NZRU were complaining that they recieved only 250,000 a match in match fees when touring the northern hemisphere.


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    #5701
    irishbucsfan
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    JustinDee wrote: »
    A home union covers the main costs (accommodation, travel within etc). Extra costs such as medical, fitness, insurance and logistical are liable to touring party.

    Do the touring party receive any income from the tour?
    They certainly do.


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