Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

totallegend

Madigan's extension seems to have generated very little interest on here, but I'm delighted by it, if only to eliminate the 'Madigan is too good to be on the bench and needs to move' talk.
I think another season of what he's been doing this year, i.e. being a top-notch understudy, will bring him on no end and he'll be the finished article before too long. He's still got a lot of work to do though.

flanzer

tolosenc wrote: »

Disappointed Isa didn't get a 10 year deal...

Is Isa gone if he doesn't get an Irish passport?

Th passport office need to get the finger out. His 3 kids are Irish and from what I've heard, he wants to rear them here

CIARAN_BOYLE

totallegend wrote: »

Madigan's extension seems to have generated very little interest on here, but I'm delighted by it, if only to eliminate the 'Madigan is too good to be on the bench and needs to move' talk.

It was announced ages ago (or maybe leaked) and so it was common knowledge so people don't feel a need to talk about it.

JustinDee

flanzer wrote: »

Th passport office need to get the finger out. His 3 kids are Irish and from what I've heard, he wants to rear them here

As a slight aside I know, having children here no longer warrants parents citizenship. This has been the case for a good few years now.

peterako

flanzer wrote: »

Is Isa gone if he doesn't get an Irish passport?

Th passport office need to get the finger out. His 3 kids are Irish and from what I've heard, he wants to rear them here

Thanks to that wonderful referendum we past a decade or so ago...No....his kids are not Irish (I think...)

Even renewing my Irish kids passports (born to Irish parents) is a pain....having to PROVE that both I/my wife and they are Irish at each renewal.....

I would gladly adopt Isa and family though!
He is definitely embedded in Leinster Mythology and Tradition!

(He signed a 1 year deal)

wicklowwonder

flanzer wrote: »

tolosenc wrote: »

Disappointed Isa didn't get a 10 year deal...

Is Isa gone if he doesn't get an Irish passport?

Th passport office need to get the finger out. His 3 kids are Irish and from what I've heard, he wants to rear them here

How long do you have to live here to get an Irish passport? Would he be still be counted as NIQ if he had a passport? I know he can't play as his Fiji cap but in the Irish state's eyes he would be Irish so he can't be sacked just because he isn't illegible to play international rugby.

Out of curiosity does Tom Court have an Irish passport or does he need a work permit or are one his parents/grand parents Irish?

Neil3030

flanzer wrote: »

Is Isa gone if he doesn't get an Irish passport?

Th passport office need to get the finger out. His 3 kids are Irish and from what I've heard, he wants to rear them here

That's positions 11, 14 and 15 sorted for the 2031 RWC so.

JustinDee

ray jay wrote: »

It was my understanding that he's in negotiations for an international contract but if he doesn't get one he can still get a provincial one. I think a lot of people here assumed that even if he didn't get another central contract that Leinster would still be in a position to keep him on, so if you know otherwise I'm all ears.

If he doesn't get a satisfactory (to him) contract amount from the union, there isn't much hope for a bigger figure from one of its branches.

Neil3030

wicklowwonder wrote: »

How long do you have to live here to get an Irish passport? Would he be still be counted as NIQ if he had a passport? I know he can't play as his Fiji cap but in the Irish state's eyes he would be Irish so he can't be sacked just because he isn't illegible to play international rugby.

Out of curiosity does Tom Court have an Irish passport or does he need a work permit or are one his parents/grand parents Irish?

Wiki says his grandfather is from Limerick.

lologram

wicklowwonder wrote: »

How long do you have to live here to get an Irish passport?

5 years. He arrived at the start of the 08/09 season, so he's just shy of 4 years' residence. After next season he can gain citizenship if he wants to.

errlloyd

Neil3030 wrote: »

That's positions 11, 14 and 15 sorted for the 2031 RWC so.

His daughter at wing or fullback?

Teferi

wicklowwonder wrote: »

How long do you have to live here to get an Irish passport?

Naturalisation is 5 years...

Flincher

Flincher wrote: »

Good bit of business by McLaughlin to get himself a 3 year deal. Backrow is highly competitive with excellent players coming through.

Rewarded for an excellent season, he's a proper senior member of the squad imo. Will almost certainly need him to be around, regardless of the development of those younger.

durkadurka

errlloyd wrote: »

His daughter at wing or fullback?

She's supposed to be an outrageous counter attacker

CIARAN_BOYLE

wicklowwonder wrote: »

How long do you have to live here to get an Irish passport? Would he be still be counted as NIQ if he had a passport? I know he can't play as his Fiji cap but in the Irish state's eyes he would be Irish so he can't be sacked just because he isn't illegible to play international rugby.

He would still be NIQ. It has nothing to do with citizenship but eligibility. Danielli wouldn't count as NIQ as it is illegal to discriminate against nationals of other EU countries, Warwick would have been IQ when he left as he is an Irish citizen.

Neil3030

One point re: Isa's naturalisation is that according to this site you need to have:

a period of 365 days* (1 year) continuous reckonable residence in the State immediately before the date of your application for naturalisation and, during the 8 years preceding that, have had a total reckonable residence in the State amounting to 1,460 days* (4 years). Altogether you must have 5 years (5 x 365 days*) reckonable residence out of the last 9 years

Given away fixtures, I'd say he fall short on that first criterion. Likely to have taken holidays etc aswell.

Neil3030

Neil3030 wrote: »

One point re: Isa's naturalisation is that according to this site you need to have:



Given away fixtures, I'd say he fall short on that first criterion. Likely to have taken holidays etc aswell.

residence does not mean not leaving the country

irishbucsfan

Neil3030 wrote: »

One point re: Isa's naturalisation is that according to this site you need to have:

a period of 365 days* (1 year) continuous reckonable residence in the State immediately before the date of your application for naturalisation and, during the 8 years preceding that, have had a total reckonable residence in the State amounting to 1,460 days* (4 years). Altogether you must have 5 years (5 x 365 days*) reckonable residence out of the last 9 years

Given away fixtures, I'd say he fall short on that first criterion. Likely to have taken holidays etc aswell.

Going on holidays does not mean you are no longer resident. Neither does going away on business.

JustinDee

wicklowwonder wrote: »

How long do you have to live here to get an Irish passport? Would he be still be counted as NIQ if he had a passport? I know he can't play as his Fiji cap but in the Irish state's eyes he would be Irish so he can't be sacked just because he isn't illegible to play international rugby.

Out of curiosity does Tom Court have an Irish passport or does he need a work permit or are one his parents/grand parents Irish?

It doesn't matter what passport he holds. He is not Irish-qualified and is therefore outside the frame.

Tom Court has an Irish passport and had one before coming to Ireland. He has also never played international rugby for anyone else but Ireland.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Neil3030 wrote: »

One point re: Isa's naturalisation is that according to this site you need to have:



Given away fixtures, I'd say he fall short on that first criterion. Likely to have taken holidays etc aswell.

I'm pretty sure reckonable residence as described in that piece is that you have lived in the country for more than 6 months out of 12 during a year and paid your tax within Ireland. Its the same as residence for Strauss et al afaik.

Neil3030

Can we frame Fiji for a war crime or something and get the UN to no longer recognise them as a state?

tolosenc

Neil3030 wrote: »

Can we frame Fiji for a war crime or something and get the UN to no longer recognise them as a state?

No framing necessary, not the nicest situation there at the minute...

thebaz

Deleted User wrote: »

Rewarded for an excellent season, he's a proper senior member of the squad imo. Will almost certainly need him to be around, regardless of the development of those younger.

possible captain when leo and BOD are gone ?

Dravokivich

thebaz wrote: »

possible captain when leo and BOD are gone ?

Heaslip no?

Guy:Incognito

Have been out of touch with this thread for a bit so not sure how much has been discussed about Carr, but I cant help wondering if theres a point to keeping him at Leinster. Wihout checking, even while the internationals were on he wasnt getting full games so unless he's regularly coming on from the bench in big games and playing all the time while the big players are on international duty, whats the point? As much from his own point of view as anything else. He'd be better off as the big fish playing every week for Connacht or maybe going elsewhere where he'll get regular gametime. If he was a kid maybe, but he's 27 this year.

Unless Fitzgerald is definately going maybe.....

[Jackass]

ray jay wrote: »

Contract Renewals:

Leo Auva’a – 2 years
Isaac Boss – 2 years
Fionn Carr – 1 year
Andrew Conway – 2 years
John Cooney – 1 year
Leo Cullen – 1 year
Gordon D’Arcy – 2 years
Aaron Dundon – 2 years
Mark Flanagan – 1 year Development
David Kearney – 2 years
Brendan Macken – 1 year
Ian Madigan – 2 years
Kevin McLaughlin – 3 years
Isa Nacewa – 1 year extension
Eoin Reddan – 2 years
Rhys Ruddock – 2 years
Thomas Sexton – 1 year Development
Heinke van der Merwe – 1 year

New contracts:

Michael Bent – 2 years
Tom Denton – 2 years

Nice to see the new signings confirmed. I'm particularly excited to see Denton play, very highly rated lock over in the UK, touted as a future English international. Nice poach.

Have heard mixed reports over Bent, but he can play both sides of the scrum (hopefully not in a "Tom Court" kind of way) and both are Irish qualified.

Great to see guys like D. Kearney, Conway and Mad Dog signing on for another 2 years.

Interestingly, Macken only takes one extra year...hope he's not getting itchy feet, but with D'Arcy signing on for 2 more years, O'Driscoll on for at least next season, O'Mally and McFadden on for 2 more seasons, there's a lot of competition, plus, I think Lukey Fitz will end up in the centre. Not an out and out wing, but his superb defence, great hands and tricky feet and decent boot have him suited for a dynamic 12 and possibly a 13 if needs be. No mention of his contract still though...

Good to see Carr getting an extension too.

Little bit suprised at Dundon getting 2 years given the quality ahead of him and the ambition to develop a young player.

Also, Boss and Reddan sign 2 year deals, Cooney only signs one....is he just holding the spot until McGrath comes through?

Hagz

Here's picture I feel is worth putting up. Rob Kearney would have been sitting in the stands this time last season watching his team-mates journey towards a monumental Heineken Cup. It must have been hard for him. Well, there's no better way than to come back, win BOI player of the year and take the Heineken Cup by storm. He may have missed the final last season, but there's no way he's going to miss it this season, and you can see how much it means to him.

durkadurka

Didn't he miss the final in 09 with mumps or something too?

Cpt_Blackbeard

Who are Leinster's NIEs for next year. I know that Nacewa and VdM are classified NIE, but what's the story with Auva’a and Dundon? Will Strauss take up the project spot for another season as he won't be naturalised until the season has begun?

Hagz

durkadurka wrote: »

Didn't he miss the final in 09 with mumps or something too?

Played 9 mins of it.