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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

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    #8642
    justsomebloke
    Registered Users Posts: 10,407 ✭✭✭✭justsomebloke


    You have to think would Leinster be 3 times champions of Europe if Cullen and Jennings had known they weren't actually going to get that international shot when they were deciding to come back from Leicster


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    #8643
    padser
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    justsomebloke wrote: »
    You have to think would Leinster be 3 times champions of Europe if Cullen and Jennings had known they weren't actually going to get that international shot when they were deciding to come back from Leicster

    I'm sure they would have come home if they had known they would win 3 HEC and about 15 caps each as opposed to stating in Leinster.....


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    #8644
    danthefan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    justsomebloke wrote: »
    You have to think would Leinster be 3 times champions of Europe if Cullen and Jennings had known they weren't actually going to get that international shot when they were deciding to come back from Leicster

    No you don't, what are you on about?


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    #8645
    danthefan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    Nacewa is supposed to be playing for the BaaBaas next weekend, does this mean he's not going to be playing in the RDP12 final? Would be very disappointed if that were the case.


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    #8646
    Ginny
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    Isa will be playing in the Rabo final, once he's not injured, He's been named in the babas squad, but I think he's safe for next week. BTW who actually took over as Captain when Leo went off?


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    #8647
    GerM
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    The Barbarians squad is for 3 games. I assume Nacewa won't be joining up with them for another few days. They've a 33 man squad so have plenty of options.


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    #8648
    danthefan
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    Makes sense so.


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    #8649
    durkadurka
    Registered Users Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭durkadurka


    Ginny wrote: »
    Isa will be playing in the Rabo final, once he's not injured, He's been named in the babas squad, but I think he's safe for next week. BTW who actually took over as Captain when Leo went off?

    Heaslip I think. He's the captain in waiting


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    #8650
    totallegend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭totallegend


    danthefan wrote: »
    No you don't, what are you on about?

    He means:
    1) Cullen & Jennings came home to further their international prospects; if they had known that they would be consistently overlooked for international selection, would they have bothered coming back?
    2) If Cullen & Jennings hadn't come back, would we have won three Heineken Cups?

    Interesting point; hard one to call.


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    #8651
    danthefan
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    totallegend wrote: »
    He means:
    1) Cullen & Jennings came home to further their international prospects; if they had known that they would be consistently overlooked for international selection, would they have bothered coming back?
    2) If Cullen & Jennings hadn't come back, would we have won three Heineken Cups?

    Interesting point; hard one to call.

    I know what he means, they're both Leinster lads who came up through the ranks and returned to their home province. Hardly shocking stuff.


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    #8652
    GerM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭GerM


    Would seriously doubt it. Both of them were cornerstones of the side that started the ball rolling and evolved into what it is today. They were representative of the Cheika ethos and approach where they took no BS from any opposition players and were niggly and aggressive to the bitter end. It was that mentality that dragged Leinster to the HEC in 2009. They weren't the best side in Europe that season but they were the hardest working.


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    #8653
    danthefan
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    GerM wrote: »
    Would seriously doubt it. Both of them were cornerstones of the side that started the ball rolling and evolved into what it is today. They were representative of the Cheika ethos and approach where they took no BS from any opposition players and were niggly and aggressive to the bitter end. It was that mentality that dragged Leinster to the HEC in 2009. They weren't the best side in Europe that season but they were the hardest working.

    Had the best defence. That's what won it. Kurt McQuilkin, probably wouldn't have won it without him.


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    #8654
    totallegend
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    danthefan wrote: »
    I know what he means, they're both Leinster lads who came up through the ranks and returned to their home province. Hardly shocking stuff.

    That's not the question he's asking, he's asking whether we would have won all these titles if they hadn't come back; I'd go along with GerM and say no, they wouldn't have.


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    #8655
    whenever
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    totallegend wrote: »
    He means:
    1) Cullen & Jennings came home to further their international prospects; if they had known that they would be consistently overlooked for international selection, would they have bothered coming back?
    2) If Cullen & Jennings hadn't come back, would we have won three Heineken Cups?

    Interesting point; hard one to call.

    Not worth thinking about unless you know who might have been brought in if Cullen and Jennings had stayed at leicester. Say Bob Casey?


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    #8656
    justsomebloke
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    danthefan wrote: »
    I know what he means, they're both Leinster lads who came up through the ranks and returned to their home province. Hardly shocking stuff.

    Given they were playing in the HEC final with Leicster the year they decided to come back it was a pretty damn big decision to leave one of the biggest teams in europe to come home


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    #8657
    PhatPiggins
    Registered Users Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭PhatPiggins


    totallegend wrote: »
    That's not the question he's asking, he's asking whether we would have won all these titles if they hadn't come back; I'd go along with GerM and say no, they wouldn't have.

    I'd say yes they would have. Leinster had all the ingredients but were just a few players short. If they hadn't gotten Jennings and Cullen they would have gotten someone else.


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    #8658
    Profiler
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    PhatPiggins wrote: »
    I'd say yes they would have. Leinster had all the ingredients but were just a few players short. If they hadn't gotten Jennings and Cullen they would have gotten someone else.

    Rather irrelevant argument. You may as well question what if, in the blood-gate game, what if one of those Harlequins drop goals went over.

    We'd have both Cullen and Jennings and could very well be sitting on zero European cups.


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    #8659
    ambid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭ambid


    Profiler wrote: »
    Rather irrelevant argument. You may as well question what if, in the blood-gate game, what if one of those Harlequins drop goals went over.

    We'd have both Cullen and Jennings and could very well be sitting on zero European cups.

    Agree with this. The margins are so fine you can't isolate just one variable. Clermont were milimeters from winning the semi against Leinster this year, a bounce of the ball potentially cost Ireland a grand slam under Eddie O'Sullivan - the margins are so incredibly small and there are so very many variables.

    The inches we need are everywhere around us... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRgeIhaFi44


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    #8660
    Profiler
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    ambid wrote: »
    The inches we need are everywhere around us... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRgeIhaFi44

    Oh god that is awful... :rolleyes: the Al Pachino original is good but typical of RTE to take something good put their own spin on it and turn into a turd you couldn't polish if you had all the Mr Sheen in the world...


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    #8661
    molloyjh
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    For as much as I don't like Justin Marshall there's an interesting story at the end of this article. I'm assuming it's about Jamie. Not sure how true it is. What does anyone else make of it...
    Leinster has an Irish test loosie with a reputation among his team-mates for being way too opinionated, especially during training.

    The story goes that Brad Thorn had been there for only two weeks when at training one night the loosie started having too much to say again.

    Thorn apparently withdrew that gnarled head of his from out of a scrum and in that gravelly voice nobody can imitate: "Save the energy for the scrum mate. I can't even feel any weight from you. Less talk, more pushing mate!"

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/6955685/All-Blacks-will-crush-misplaced-Irish-confidence


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    #8662
    Fishooks12
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    For as much as I don't like Justin Marshall there's an interesting story at the end of this article. I'm assuming it's about Jamie. Not sure how true it is. What does anyone else make of it...



    http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/6955685/All-Blacks-will-crush-misplaced-Irish-confidence

    That article is such a crock of ****e

    I'd love to know White's source for that story


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    #8663
    Fishooks12
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    Furthermore I think this whole SH belittling of the HC is down solely to jealousy

    Most of the must know deep down how flawed the s15 is


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    #8664
    Teferi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Most of the must know deep down how flawed the s15 is

    Could you expand on this?


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    #8665
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    Teferi wrote: »
    Could you expand on this?

    Ok, well firstly I think there's too many teams in it

    secondly I find the standard of defensive play is almost non existent

    You get big hits alright, but it seems like a lot of teams forgo bread and butter tackling which leads to ridiculous scorelines


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    #8666
    Teferi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    Yeah I know it's a try fest with some dodgy defence from watching it on Saturday mornings but I didn't know there was a debate around the number of teams in it.


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    #8667
    tolosenc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    Losing teams in test and NH rugby rarely score 30+ points, buch it's a relatively common occurrence in Super Rugby.


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    #8668
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    tolosenc wrote: »
    Losing teams in test and NH rugby rarely score 30+ points, buch it's a relatively common occurrence in Super Rugby.

    Exactly, and they'll turn around and say it's great entertainment but constant line breaks get boring fast

    Much better seeing a good solid defense being broken down 3 or 4 times (like yesterday) by great lines


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    #8669
    CatFromHue
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Furthermore I think this whole SH belittling of the HC is down solely to jealousy

    Most of the must know deep down how flawed the s15 is

    Its nothing to do with jealousy but more to do with the fact that of the 9 games in June between NH and SH teams if HN teams win 2 of these it'll be one of the more successful June results in a long time. Possible ever!

    In 2010 when Ireland went to NZ and Oz, Wales went to NZ, Eng went to OZ, and France and Italy went to SA there was 1 win from 9 games for NH teams.

    They belittle us because they regular beat us. Nothing to do with the S15.

    Also where did the headline "All Blacks will crush misplaced Irish confidence" come from in the Justin Marshall piece? The only thing you could say we're confident in is in losing all three games!


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    #8670
    errlloyd
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Its nothing to do with jealousy but more to do with the fact that of the 9 games in June between NH and SH teams if HN teams win 2 of these it'll be one of the more successful June results in a long time. Possible ever!

    In 2010 when Ireland went to NZ and Oz, Wales went to NZ, Eng went to OZ, and France and Italy went to SA there was 1 win from 9 games for NH teams.

    They belittle us because they regular beat us. Nothing to do with the S15.

    Also where did the headline "All Blacks will crush misplaced Irish confidence" come from in the Justin Marshall piece? The only thing you could say we're confident in is in losing all three games!

    +1 on this post, thats its spot on really.


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    #8671
    funky penguin
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    Possibly the best paragraph I've read on rugby this year:
    Right on cue, as though attempting to prove the point, Jamie Heaslip walks past and launches into his ode to this unique secondrow. “He’s Thorny – Thorny, Thorny, Thorny ... so Thorny – Thorny, Thorny, Thorny.”

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0521/1224316453689.html


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