Man denies leak of Navy ship information

Ravage1616

A member of the Irish Naval Service has gone on trial at a military court martial in Dublin on charges of disclosing information about ships at sea.

Able Seaman Eoin Gray, who is attached to the LÉ Orla, is also charged with conspiracy to aid people unknown to import cocaine between the 4 and 15 December 2008.

He is also charged with having cocaine in his possession and with having counterfeit hair straighteners.

He has pleaded not guilty to all five charges.

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Sounds pretty serious, specially the first part of Disclosing Information about ships at sea.

silverharp

my God, counterfeit hair straighteners, keel haul him. I noticed RTE mentioned the other charges but not the last.

Morpheus

Man denies leak of Navy ship information

nobody else find this pun funny???

still on a serious note, he should get the heftiest sentence that they can load him with to discourage it in future.:mad:

cyrusdvirus

He's changed his plea now....

Acquitted of the 4 other charges, so maybe those hair straighteners were legit after all!!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0413/graye.html

ex_infantry man

and its off to the curragh prison he goes for a bit!!!!

Morpheus

They should just execute him, saves money AND paperwork.... (",)

Donny5

gatecrash wrote: »

He's changed his plea now....

Acquitted of the 4 other charges, so maybe those hair straighteners were legit after all!!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0413/graye.html

From the above article:

The court heard has been in the Naval Service for five years and that he had been fined €0 for being absent without leave for five hours in May 2007.

What a fine!

Morpheus

Its true what they say about the navy...
Able Seaman caught with eight hair straighteners...
oooh sailor!!

The only reason infantry would be caught with hair straighteners would be if they had ran out of ammo while holed up in peter marks and had sharpened the nearest everyday items into killing implements to continue the fight

Could be he had hidden the cocaine in the straighteners?

Morpheus

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0414/1224268305942.html

so he's pleaded not guilty to all charges EXCEPT the one of disclosing the whereabouts of the ship.... im confused.com now.... was he found in posession of cocaine or not!? was he found to be trying to import it or not? whats going on!!!

concussion

The report says he passed the information on to his girlfriend. While a serious issue, it may actually be as simple as that, and not a case of him passing info on to drug smugglers. That said, I know nothing more of the case.

Morpheus

But why would they charge him with possession of the drug and then drop that charge? was it that he was charged on suspicion of posession or that he was found covered in white powder sitting on the ceiling of his cabin?

Either way he has been portrayed in a manner in the public papers that probably doesnt bode well for his future in the armed forces.

concussion

Absolutely no idea about the hair straighteners. As for the cocaine, if it was a significant amount I reckon he'd have been charged under the relevant Act, unless the Gardaí are going to do so after the NS are finished. I suspect is was a small amount for personal use but this in itself could warrant dismissal.

PeterIanStaker

concussion wrote: »

Absolutely no idea about the hair straighteners. As for the cocaine, if it was a significant amount I reckon he'd have been charged under the relevant Act, unless the Gardaí are going to do so after the NS are finished. I suspect is was a small amount for personal use but this in itself could warrant dismissal.

I dont think there'd be any "could" about it, with CRDT now surely he'd be out on his arse?

Morpheus

It depends, we had a talk from the BPOSS in the brugha last week and apparently sometimes, based on his record etc, they can recommend that he attend rehab, remain clean for the next x months/years - with compulsory tests every so often in that period AS WELL AS still being subject to CRDT.... it could very well be the nail in his coffin regarding promotions beyond a certain rank though.

concussion

CRDT involves the detection of drugs which have been actually been administered which would be different to simply being in possesion of drugs. I'm more informed on the regulations regarding positive drugs tests that I am for possession so the 'could' is in there.

petergfiffin

OK....I understand journalists probably aren't the most up to speed with the military but ffs these guys just don't have a clue:

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/three-months-jail-for-navy-officer-2137959.html

"A naval officer has been sentenced...." then the next paragraph "Able Seaman..."

From the Irish Times:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0414/1224268305942.html

"Able Seaman Gray had been accepted as a Naval cadet in June 2006 for five years of service in the Permanent Defence Forces"

Talk about lazy!!! I'm looking forward to reading their next article about how Tanaiste Enda Kenny will be meeting with Gary Adams to discuss whether drinking should be allowed inspite of the Good Friday agreement!!

mikeym

http://www.newstalk.ie/news/news-headlines/navy-seamen-jailed-for-three-months-for-texting-ship-locations/


When he gets out of military jail he'll find it impossible to get a job.

arybvtcw0eolkf

mikeym wrote: »

http://www.newstalk.ie/news/news-headlines/navy-seamen-jailed-for-three-months-for-texting-ship-locations/


When he gets out of military jail he'll find it impossible to get a job.

No it won't.

ex_infantry man

Davis Mango Yolk wrote: »

No it won't.

how do ya know this makikomi??

arybvtcw0eolkf

ex_infantry man wrote: »

how do ya know this makikomi??

I know lads who've been chucked out before and are working.

You won't get into any kind of public service job, and you won't get a visa to travel for work. Plus having a dishonourable discharge is a horrible thing recorded, it'll follow the person around for the rest of their life.

But people with criminal records still find work.

One lad I knew, I still see him out and about driving his taxi!.

Ash.J.Williams

I have no knowledge of the Military but as a civillian i read todays report in the paper and thought..."no f**in around there!!" ! In Irish criminal terms that seems a hefty sentence. I would presume it's a relation to treason?

Although i am confused over how he could be charged with such serious crimes as aiding cocaine trafficing and have them dropped like that.

mikeym

Davis Mango Yolk wrote: »

I know lads who've been chucked out before and are working.

You won't get into any kind of public service job, and you won't get a visa to travel for work. Plus having a dishonourable discharge is a horrible thing recorded, it'll follow the person around for the rest of their life.

But people with criminal records still find work.

One lad I knew, I still see him out and about driving his taxi!.

Hes gething kicked out once hes finished jail so that means hes being dishonourabley discharged.

ex_infantry man

ah i see makikomi !!!

Local-womanizer

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Although i am confused over how he could be charged with such serious crimes as aiding cocaine trafficing and have them dropped like that.

Having not read the case I would assume that he has had no contact with traffickers,thus making it near impossible to prove he was aiding such people. Not worth your while unless you have some concrete evidence.

Dr.Sanchez

I know one guy, on old friend of mine but I don't talk to him much these days...

Anyway, he's in the army for the past 4/5 years I reckon but during his time serving he was caught drink driving and banned off the road for 2 years, and he also failed a drug test in the army, I think coke was found in his system...

The fact that he's still serving to this day pisses me off as I (don't even drink or smoke) would jump at the chance to join up...

Does anyone else find this a bit ridiculous?

Poccington

00Blaine00 wrote: »

I know one guy, on old friend of mine but I don't talk to him much these days...

Anyway, he's in the army for the past 4/5 years I reckon but during his time serving he was caught drink driving and banned off the road for 2 years, and he also failed a drug test in the army, I think coke was found in his system...

The fact that he's still serving to this day pisses me off as I (don't even drink or smoke) would jump at the chance to join up...

Does anyone else find this a bit ridiculous?

Do people in normal jobs usually lose their jobs if they lose their licence?

He could have easily appealed the drug test and won the appeal.

Also, keep in mind that he would probably be nearing the end of his first contract so while he is still serving, the above cases you mentioned will be held against him when it comes to signing back on.

Dr.Sanchez

Poccington wrote: »

Do people in normal jobs usually lose their jobs if they lose their licence?

He could have easily appealed the drug test and won the appeal.

Also, keep in mind that he would probably be nearing the end of his first contract so while he is still serving, the above cases you mentioned will be held against him when it comes to signing back on.

Well its a public service job and drink driving is breaking the law which doesn't set a good example for the public, what happens to a guard if he/she is caught drink driving do you know?

I think they should be fu*ked out for breaching any kind of law in my opinion..

Never thought about the contract, as far as I know he was told he'll never go overseas again and I don't think he's even allowed to handle a weapon!

Disco Volante

But then what if someone was caught speeding or something like that? Do you still reckon they should be thrown out of the job? There is a lot of variables to take into account.