Spurs v Arsenal [Match Thread]

therecklessone

flahavaj wrote: »

Jaysus did not see this coming.:eek:

You'll be looking for this man...;)

Absolutely superb from Spurs tonight, worked their bollox off and deserved that win. Gomes was hardly troubled then makes three fantastic stops. Love the guy.

And can the Arsenal/United injury wankfest be canned please? How long have Spurs been missing Lennon, Jenas, King and Woodgate? Modric broke his leg in our 4th game of the season. Corluka and Palacios missing tonight, Defoe and Huddlestone only back from injury and King will probably be laid up for the rest of the season now.

leninbenjamin

Archimedes wrote: »

Arsenal havent won a Premier League with RVP in their team yet,

Heh, that's because he's never managed to stay fit tbh. Injuries are a sizeable problem for the club. We get more muscle strains than anyone else in the league, as much as 30% according to physioroom. This season we've also had at least 3 times the amount of fractures you'd normally expect in a single season. The style of play is possibly part of the problem, but there are suggestions it could be an as yet undetermined flaw with the setup.

But anyway, 6 points is all that's in it. You really don't think we could have found 6 more points if our best striker wasn't fit?

And yes, I do believe Chelsea would have considerably more points on the table were Essien fit. By as much as 10 imo.

Frisbee

EVERY TEAM HAS INJURIES TO KEY PLAYERS.

EVERY TEAM THINKS THEIR INJURY CRISIS IS WORSE THAN ANY OTHER TEAMS.

THAT'S HOW FOOTBALL IS.

flahavaj

therecklessone wrote: »

You'll be looking for this man...;)

Absolutely superb from Spurs tonight, worked their bollox off and deserved that win. Gomes was hardly troubled then makes three fantastic stops. Love the guy.

And can the Arsenal/United injury wankfest be canned please? How long have Spurs been missing Lennon, Jenas, King and Woodgate? Modric broke his leg in our 4th game of the season. Corluka and Palacios missing tonight, Defoe and Huddlestone only back from injury and King will probably be laid up for the rest of the season now.

Banned apparently. Ah well.:)

keano_afc

So whens the dvd out?

therecklessone

keano_afc wrote: »

So whens the dvd out?

Oooh, hark at her.

leninbenjamin

Frisbee wrote: »

EVERY TEAM HAS INJURIES TO KEY PLAYERS.

EVERY TEAM THINKS THEIR INJURY CRISIS IS WORSE THAN ANY OTHER TEAMS.

THAT'S HOW FOOTBALL IS.

Stats done lie, we get more injuries. Either we have to expand the squad to cater for them or we seek to reduce the frequency. Heck it could be something wrong with the diet for all we know...

Peyton Manning

keano_afc wrote: »

So whens the dvd out?

Id buy it tbh. Fantastic match.

keano_afc

Archimedes wrote: »

Id buy it tbh. Fantastic match.

Pop along to your local team when they train. They usually do attack v defence drills :pac:

SlickRic

Archimedes wrote: »

Calm down Ric, no need to play the victim card.

victim?

i'm perfectly calm mate; i was just clarifying myself, seen as the only point i was originally trying to make was that i believe an RVP whose fit for longer would have made a huge difference to their season IMO. again, pointless because he did get injured, but merely an observation on his importance.

just like i've said similar things about Rooney's absence in Utd threads.

Archimedes wrote: »

Im just saying that to say Arsenal would have won the league if RVP were fit is incredibly naive. Like I said, there are far more obvious reasons other than his absence.

there are other reasons, of course. i wouldn't for a moment claim there aren't.

Peyton Manning

keano_afc wrote: »

Pop along to your local team when they train. They usually do attack v defence drills :pac:

Which one, the non-existent Kilkenny City or the ever-southerner-welcoming Linfield?

Le King

SlickRic wrote: »

victim?

i'm perfectly calm mate; i was just clarifying myself, seen as the only point i was originally trying to make was that i believe an RVP whose fit for longer would have made a huge difference to their season IMO. again, pointless because he did get injured, but merely an observation on his importance.

But your only guessing that... I mean van Persie could of had a terrible bad spell for those 5 months he missed. Football is football, anything can happen. Unlikely as that is.

If we had our full defence fit for the whole season I could say we'd have won the league by now.

But this is the way things have panned out.

But sure these arguments are why we love the beautiful game.

tony1kenobi

Fair play Spuds....it only took 11 years.......enjoy your victory.....

Peyton Manning

Dont know about that Osu, Id say that United and Arsenal's situations are the exact same - an injury to a key player is an easier excuse than what the real problems are.

Anyway, not for this thread. Congrats Spurs, and a lower level of consolation congrats to A rsenal, as it was a crackin' match.

keano_afc

Archimedes wrote: »

Which one, the non-existent Kilkenny City or the ever-southerner-welcoming Linfield?

Nasty. I've found myself on Tate's Avenue a couple of times after Linfield games. Not a comfortable place to be.

leninbenjamin

Archimedes wrote: »

Dont know about that Osu, Id say that United and Arsenal's situations are the exact same - an injury to a key player is an easier excuse than what the real problems are.

Oh for **** sake... injuries are a real problem. Training regime, diet, pitch quality, psychology, rest all have a huge part to play. They aren't just 'part of the game' but something clubs and managers can (and regularly do) attempt to minimise and reduce risk. If a club is having lots of injuries chances are there is a problem with the setup.

I ****ing hate people like yourself who poo poo them off as an empty excuse, they have everything to do with a successful team.

And surely it's perfectly valid for this thread considering how many players were missing from the respect lineups because of injury tonight.

Peyton Manning

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Oh for **** sake... injuries are a real problem. Training regime, diet, pitch quality, psychology, rest all have a huge part to play. They aren't just 'part of the game' but something clubs and managers can (and regularly do) attempt to minimise and reduce risk. If a club is having lots of injuries chances are there is a problem with the setup.

Yeah they have a huge part to play, but try get your hands on a fúcking half decent keeper, get some good squad players instead of teenagers and then maybe you can cover the loss of a key player and quit fúcking whinging. Typical Arsenal mentality, ever the fúcking victims.

I ****ing hate people like yourself who poo poo them off as an empty excuse, they have everything to do with a successful team.

Delightful fellow, arent you?

Peyton Manning

keano_afc wrote: »

Nasty. I've found myself on Tate's Avenue a couple of times after Linfield games. Not a comfortable place to be.

Try living 20 seconds away from it!

Mr.Nice Guy

Thanks Spurs now more of the same against Chelsea please.

everdead.ie

Had to contain myself because I had the gf over but that was brilliant exactly the kind of reaction I was hoping for brilliant stuff.

Glad Bendtner was the one to score I knew they had at least one in them and he's the only Arsenal player I knida like so delighted.

Great game from BAE and Bale and everyone actually Brilliant work rate after 120 minutes at wembley

Oh and it's not like we don't have injuries too to some great players too

Minstrel27

Archimedes wrote: »

Yeah they have a huge part to play, but try get your hands on a fúcking half decent keeper, get some good squad players instead of teenagers and then maybe you can cover the loss of a key player and quit fúcking whinging. Typical Arsenal mentality, ever the fúcking victims.



Delightful fellow, arent you?

Anger issues.

leninbenjamin

Archimedes wrote: »

Delightful fellow, arent you?

I may be a **** but at least I don't believe every bland cliché shoved down my throat by the rags.

For the record, while Arsenal have such a high frequency of injuries relative to other clubs, improving the squad isn't going to make much of a difference unless we can guarantee we can keep our key men fit. The high occurrence of injury at the club in recent years is a problem that needs to be fixed before we can move forward imo.

Peyton Manning

leninbenjamin wrote: »

I may be a ****

Correct. We're making progress.

leninbenjamin wrote:

but at least I don't believe every bland cliché shoved down my throat by the rags.

Its not a bland cliché. FFS man go look at the tabloids over the past few weeks in the wake of the Rooney injury. If anything, the impact of an injury to a key player has never been more over-exaggerated. So yeah, its quite clear that you're willing to accept things being shoved down your throat.

leninbenjamin wrote:

For the record, while Arsenal have such a high frequency of injuries relative to other clubs, improving the squad isn't going to make much of a difference unless we can guarantee we can keep our key men fit. The high occurrence of injury at the club in recent years is a problem that needs to be fixed before we can move forward imo.

Teams have been winning trophies for years with injury problems. Just because your team struggles to, doesn't make injuries the most relevant reason for not doing so. Stop whining. Spurs beat you tonight with big injury problems of their own, and are putting up a hell of a fight for 4th place regardless of it.

L'prof

It's simple, injuries are a big factor as to why this current squad and it's predecessors for the last 5 or so years have failed to deliver any trophies. They are definitely a big factor but, more so than that is our lack of real squad depth. We have enough good players to cope with a few injuries but no more really. We were very unlucky with our attacking options this year though. Having to play Arshavin up top due to injuries was a ridiculous situation to be in.

Le King

Archimedes wrote: »

Dont know about that Osu, Id say that United and Arsenal's situations are the exact same - an injury to a key player is an easier excuse than what the real problems are.

Anyway, not for this thread. Congrats Spurs, and a lower level of consolation congrats to A rsenal, as it was a crackin' match.

What I'm saying is that injuries are a big part of the sport. They have to be dealt with. That's why squads are so big these days, to deal with injuries.

OPENROAD

Archimedes wrote: »

Spurs beat you tonight with big injury problems of their own, and are putting up a hell of a fight for 4th place regardless of it.

In fairness not to the extent to what we have, certain players are just not possible to replace.

I can see where people are coming from, our injuries don't seem to get the same coverage as other teams and instead our squad strength is attacked, no matter what people think, we have done exceptionally well this season without a key player in RVP.

everdead.ie

Oh forgot to mention Gomes class act fantastic reactions

L'prof

everdead.ie wrote: »

Oh forgot to mention Gomes class act fantastic reactions

Yeah, the fúcker!!! Amazing display at the end there, I couldn't believe it! Just a pity it's the only time we made him work!

everdead.ie

jasonorr wrote: »

Yeah, the fúcker!!! Amazing display at the end there, I couldn't believe it! Just a pity it's the only time we made him work!

Ya I wasn't too bothered by that :pac:

Peyton Manning

Osu wrote: »

Mitch what I'm saying is that injuries are a big part of the sport. They have to be dealt with. That's why squads are so big these days, to deal with injuries.

You quoted my post but said Mitch, so I'll assume you meant that for me

Im not disagreeing that injuries are a huge problem, Im just saying that they're not suitable as the only excuse for a team not winning the league. There are more legit reasons for Arsenal not being champions than injuries, same with Man Utd. That's all Im saying. Look at Chelsea, they have been missing their best player for some time now, but they have better players around him to compensate. Imo, a better goalkeeper than Almunia would have brought Arsenal the 6 points needed to be level with Chelsea before a fit RVP would have.

L'prof

everdead.ie wrote: »

Ya I wasn't too bothered by that :pac:

I'll bet, horrible for me to watch though...in 3d too! Doesn't seem to be an awful lot left in the tank. van Persie looked great when he came on, which was surprising considering how long he was out, don't know how much he'll play in our remaining games. Fair play to Silvestre peanuthead and Almunia traffic cone though, I can always rely on them to blame something on!!!

Royale with Cheese

Archimedes wrote: »

a better goalkeeper than Almunia would have brought Arsenal the 6 points needed to be level with Chelsea before a fit RVP would have.

Better keeper than Almunia would be worth about 20 points. If Wenger doesn't address this in the summer then he needs to be spanked. Spanked hard.

everdead.ie

I honestly don't think almunia was at fault for the first goal it was a good punch and a one in a million strike

Royale with Cheese

everdead.ie wrote: »

I honestly don't think almunia was at fault for the first goal it was a good punch and a one in a million strike

It was a shít punch and straight at him.

L'prof

Archimedes wrote: »

You quoted my post but said Mitch, so I'll assume you meant that for me

Im not disagreeing that injuries are a huge problem, Im just saying that they're not suitable as the only excuse for a team not winning the league. There are more legit reasons for Arsenal not being champions than injuries, same with Man Utd. That's all Im saying. Look at Chelsea, they have been missing their best player for some time now, but they have better players around him to compensate. Imo, a better goalkeeper than Almunia would have brought Arsenal the 6 points needed to be level with Chelsea before a fit RVP would have.

Pretty much how I see it apart from this bit but, I don't see any point in talking about that now. We definitely need a new keeper or two and more squaddies! Never happens the way I want it to in the transfer window though!

Frisbee

everdead.ie wrote: »

I honestly don't think almunia was at fault for the first goal it was a good punch and a one in a million strike

The strike was indeed fantastic, superb technique but:

1. Almunia didn't need to punch, he could have caught it easily.

2. When he decided to punch it was a poor punch right at Rose.

3. He's Almunia

Le King

Archimedes wrote: »

You quoted my post but said Mitch, so I'll assume you meant that for me

Im not disagreeing that injuries are a huge problem, Im just saying that they're not suitable as the only excuse for a team not winning the league. There are more legit reasons for Arsenal not being champions than injuries, same with Man Utd. That's all Im saying. Look at Chelsea, they have been missing their best player for some time now, but they have better players around him to compensate. Imo, a better goalkeeper than Almunia would have brought Arsenal the 6 points needed to be level with Chelsea before a fit RVP would have.

Totally agree and I'm going mad so don't mind me quoting names wrong and all that. Haven't slept an minute in two days...


So apologizes

L'prof

everdead.ie wrote: »

I honestly don't think almunia was at fault for the first goal it was a good punch and a one in a million strike

Why punch when it was there to be caught??? He punches far too often, I don't like it!

Peyton Manning

everdead.ie wrote: »

I honestly don't think almunia was at fault for the first goal it was a good punch and a one in a million strike

It shouldn't have been a punch to begin with tbh. Should really have caught that imo. I never understand keeper's punching a ball when they can easily catch it. With a punch, you have a 50/50 chance of retaining possession. Catch it, and you will keep possession and kill the opponents attack. There was no one near him, and he wasn't jumping over a crowd of players or anything. Baffling decision.

ErinGoBrath

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

It was a shít punch and straight at him.

Yeah his punching accuracy at 30 yards is terrible.

Cop on. Seriously. Know a freak goal when you see one.

flahavaj

ErinGoBrath wrote: »

Yeah his punching accuracy at 30 yards is terrible.

Cop on. Seriously. Know a freak goal when you see one.

The real issue here is why he chose to punch in the first place, it was just as easy to catch the ball. Again its poor decision making from a keeper who makes the wrong decisions far too often.

me-skywalker

Where are all the Arsenal fans now??!! They are a 1 trick pony (no no not VP) and the Emirates Coral is all out of stallions.

Thank god them goonies can crawl back under rocks and let the real men stand up and challenge for the title. Bye bye Cesc, Van Persie.... eeeh cant even name any other player that Barcelona, Madrid, Man U, Chelsea would want to buy. Shockingly bad management jsut as bad as Benitez yet Wenger gets away with it??! Come on people take the blinkers off.

me-skywalker

flahavaj wrote: »

The real issue here is why he chose to punch in the first place, it was just as easy to catch the ball. Again its poor decision making from a keeper who makes the wrong decisions far too often.

I agree. Alumnia is a shocking keeper and no team that will win a title wiill win it witha keeper as bad as this.

/end

L'prof

me-skywalker wrote: »

Where are all the Arsenal fans now??!! They are a 1 trick pony (no no not VP) and the Emirates Coral is all out of stallions.

Thank god them goonies can crawl back under rocks and let the real men stand up and challenge for the title. Bye bye Cesc, Van Persie.... eeeh cant even name any other player that Barcelona, Madrid, Man U, Chelsea would want to buy. Shockingly bad management jsut as bad as Benitez yet Wenger gets away with it??! Come on people take the blinkers off.

How enlightening...

x PyRo

Edit : Actually can't be arsed having a discussion with a clown.

Xavi6

Almunia should absolutely have caught that ball but it was still some strike from the lad with a name that could've been used for a character in Dream Team.

grenache

Just going back to Almunia, why oh why does he always have to punch when catching seems the easier option? I've lost track of the amount of times he has elected to go with the fist when catching seems the obvious thing to do. I know a lot of people said Lehmann was nutcase, but at least he was reliable, and he actually caught the ball!

x PyRo

grenache wrote: »

Just going back to Almunia, why oh why does he always have to punch when catching seems the easier option? I've lost track of the amount of times he could he has elected to go with the fist when catching seems to obvious thing to do. I know a lot of people said Lehmann was nutcase, but at least he was reliable, and he actually caught the ball!

Then dropped it into the back of the net!

amacachi

Archimedes wrote: »

Imo, a better goalkeeper than Almunia would have brought Arsenal the 6 points needed to be level with Chelsea before a fit RVP would have.

Sounds like you're making an excuse. Why are you making an excuse? How do you know what would happen? Oh no wait, that's just your opinion, do you not like others having an opinion? Christ, all anyone's saying is that injuries have cost us big time, which they have, and have done to other clubs. But statistically we've been worst hit. I don't think any Arsenal fan on here thinks that Almunia should be near a football pitch for us. But then again, that's just an excuse for why we won't win the league. Typical Arsenal eh?

amacachi

ErinGoBrath wrote: »

Yeah his punching accuracy at 30 yards is terrible.

Cop on. Seriously. Know a freak goal when you see one.

It was a freak goal and a great strike, but there is no reason whatsoever why Almunia should have punched it in the first place. And that's ignoring him letting it straight through his hands afterwards.