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Zwillinge · 06-09-2013 8:48am

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/metallica-unleash-fury-on-master-of-puppets-live-song-premiere-20130904

I will VERY happily listen to that IMAX stlying

funt cucker · 07-09-2013 1:17pm

Just listened to the Master of puppets sound track for the movie, not bad at all. Does anyone else think that the fire in their music is gone these days?

I know their are getting on a bit, and they will never play like seattle 1989, but even the guitars, they are a bit like "killl em all" but lighter, especially on magnetic. Anyone else?

nyarlothothep · 08-09-2013 3:38pm

The guitar sound on DM is ok-ish but very plain/dry and it's used on every song, dunno if that's Rick Rubin's fault as he strikes me as one of these 'back to basics' producers. They seem obsessed with sounding like a garage band.

funt cucker · 08-09-2013 3:45pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

The guitar sound on DM is ok-ish but very plain/dry and it's used on every song, dunno if that's Rick Rubin's fault as he strikes me as one of these 'back to basics' producers. They seem obsessed with sounding like a garage band.

Yeah even the live stuff over the last few years is very "kill em all" guitar sound. The songs are not fat, hard, like they used to be. I think they sound mild these days.

DM is not produced very well, probably Rubins fault. Turn it way up and it crackles a fair bit. Even if they got back to sounding like Justice, except with the bass turned up that would be cool.

There's definitely something missing in the current live sound, it does sound very basic and thin. Especially master of puppets, they don't play it the way it was meant to be played.

Ash.J.Williams · 08-09-2013 5:20pm

Yeah it's on record by the band and the experts that they made a dogs dinner of the mixing on DM. How could that possibly happen at that level.

funt cucker · 08-09-2013 5:36pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Yeah it's on record by the band and the experts that they made a dogs dinner of the mixing on DM. How could that possibly happen at that level.

Boggles the mind really, they should bring back Flemming Rasmussen to mix and engineer their new stuff. In fairness Bob Rock did a good job of the black album. St Anger, I personally hated it, it sounded like a bunch former alcoholics trying to find how they used to "do it" before the rehab stuff.

Rick Rubin is way overrated.

Ash.J.Williams · 08-09-2013 5:43pm

All rubin does is get the band to pick their ten best songs and use them as templates to write ten new ones...same with the new Sabbath album. Once you hear this you can't really take the material seriously artistically.

seachto7 · 08-09-2013 6:01pm

Isn't the guitar hero mix of DM supposed to be the one to get?

hidinginthebush · 08-09-2013 6:06pm

seachto7 wrote: »

Isn't the guitar hero mix of DM supposed to be the one to get?

Yup! Its not as bad as the official, but still not great. Hell I bought the album on vinyl and it still sounds like pants. Clipping everywhere.

funt cucker · 08-09-2013 6:07pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

All rubin does is get the band to pick their ten best songs and use them as templates to write ten new ones...same with the new Sabbath album. Once you hear this you can't really take the material seriously artistically.

I think Ricks beard is getting in the way of the nobs on the mixing desk, he's pressing the wrong buttons. On the other hand James has said before that all the stuff he wrote about his childhood etc... came out in puppets, justice and the black album. The lads are rich now, so not so much hatred or anger in the music.

hidinginthebush · 08-09-2013 6:22pm

Didn't it come out too that the guy who actually mixed the album said he hated the sound, and the band had final say in everything and wanted it like that?

funt cucker · 08-09-2013 6:31pm

hidinginthebush wrote: »

Didn't it come out too that the guy who actually mixed the album said he hated the sound, and the band had final say in everything and wanted it like that?

It's a bit like Lars saying they turned the bass down on justice to píss off Jason. Mad stuff.

Ash.J.Williams · 08-09-2013 7:05pm

hidinginthebush wrote: »

Didn't it come out too that the guy who actually mixed the album said he hated the sound, and the band had final say in everything and wanted it like that?

They may have had the final say, but the final day was decided back stage at a festival listening with head phones in a tent FACT

funt cucker · 08-09-2013 7:10pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

They may have had the final say, but the final day was decided back stage at a festival listening with head phones in a tent FACT

Isn't that because they are now essentially business men now and not alco's. So Metallica is a business and they are very much into "targets" and annual profit. Instead of getting pissed, playing savage gigs and screwing women.

PickledLime · 08-09-2013 7:20pm

funt cucker wrote: »

Just listened to the Master of puppets sound track for the movie, not bad at all. Does anyone else think that the fire in their music is gone these days?

They lost their fire in the late 80s!

funt cucker · 08-09-2013 7:30pm

PickledLime wrote: »

They lost their fire in the late 80s!

Not a chance, did you see Russia 1991?

Riddle101 · 08-09-2013 7:39pm

PickledLime wrote: »

They lost their fire in the late 80s!

Have you ever seen them playing at their Cunning Stunts concert. They still had it after the 80's. Unless you're one of those Metallica fans who thinks Metallica sold out, and anything to do post Justice For All sucks and they lost their edge.

scudzilla · 08-09-2013 7:41pm

I've seen them 25times or so since 1985, and the way i see it is pre, maybe '95 they put every fcukin ounce of energy into a show and were awesome every time, from the time of Garage Inc i found them, boring at times, Dynamo Festival in Holland is one that springs to mind, they just seemed to be going through the motions

D.Q · 09-09-2013 3:04am

Any irish gig I've been to I have really enjoyed, but download 2012 was such a letdown, not sure why, maybe I was too far back, just didn't seem to have the energy. 2008 in Marlay park was probably my favourite Metallica show to date. Maybe 2006.its close.

Ash.J.Williams · 09-09-2013 9:27am

funt cucker wrote: »

Isn't that because they are now essentially business men now and not alco's. So Metallica is a business and they are very much into "targets" and annual profit. Instead of getting pissed, playing savage gigs and screwing women.

the fact they postponed a south american tour and returned to Europe (I was surprised to see the last marley park gig here) to rip out the last of the Euros before the crash, backs up your statement!!! It's not about places they'd like to play it's about markets!! Notice they played nearly every year of the celtic tiger!! That was no accident. They actually thought the Euro was collapsing at the time.

jack presley · 10-09-2013 2:12pm

So the new trailer has more rioting and concert footage. Is that what it's going to be? A Metallica concert and a riot? Oh, and there's a guy on a horse in a scary mask.

Ash.J.Williams · 10-09-2013 2:45pm

dunno haven't seen it

lord lucan · 10-09-2013 3:21pm

jack presley wrote: »

So the new trailer has more rioting and concert footage. Is that what it's going to be? A Metallica concert and a riot? Oh, and there's a guy on a horse in a scary mask.

Could've saved themselves a few quid and used the footage from Montreal in 92.

seachto7 · 12-09-2013 11:16am

Riddle101 wrote: »

Have you ever seen them playing at their Cunning Stunts concert. They still had it after the 80's. Unless you're one of those Metallica fans who thinks Metallica sold out, and anything to do post Justice For All sucks and they lost their edge.

Cunning Stunts dvd is good. The Load stuff comes across very well, and for me, it's their last good album, though the DM stuff ain't the worst live.
That Cunning Stunts dvd is ruined by the guy swinging off the ladder in the rope. I was at the gig in the Point in 96 and not for one second did I think it was actually real...

Ash.J.Williams · 12-09-2013 11:56am

seachto7 wrote: »

Cunning Stunts dvd is good. The Load stuff comes across very well, and for me, it's their last good album, though the DM stuff ain't the worst live.
That Cunning Stunts dvd is ruined by the guy swinging off the ladder in the rope. I was at the gig in the Point in 96 and not for one second did I think it was actually real...

why would you...twas just a laugh

seachto7 · 12-09-2013 2:46pm

It ruined an otherwise excellent gig. It was like kiddies panto time...

Mental Mickey · 13-09-2013 12:15pm

seachto7 wrote: »

It ruined an otherwise excellent gig. It was like kiddies panto time...

It was a brilliant gig.

seachto7 · 13-09-2013 1:46pm

Ah yeah, it was a great gig (96 in the point). The dvd is very good too, bar those few minutes with yer man swinging off the ladder! I thought the Load material comes across VERY well live on it.

Zwillinge · 13-09-2013 2:03pm

Just so anyone interested knows; Cineworld Dublin has some listings/bookings up for the IMAX from October 4th, its at the bottom of the page: http://www.cineworld.ie/whatson?75

grames_bond · 13-09-2013 2:40pm

it will be shown in the lighthouse too!

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