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Lithium93_

Lars trolled everybody in regards to the supposed announcement

Damage inc

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

the fact they postponed a south american tour and returned to Europe (I was surprised to see the last marley park gig here) to rip out the last of the Euros before the crash, backs up your statement!!! It's not about places they'd like to play it's about markets!! Notice they played nearly every year of the celtic tiger!! That was no accident. They actually thought the Euro was collapsing at the time.

The only South American tour they cancelled was back in 2003 during the St Anger world tour. Rumours at the time that Hetfield fell off the wagon or came close to it and needed a break for a few weeks

They played Marley park in 2008 and 2009 as part of the Death magnetic tour. Nothing strange there. They also played Ireland in 03/04 as part of the St Anger World tour and again in 06 as part of a European run.

Dont think they were sitting in HQ one day thinking the euro was going to collapse so lets go play Ireland!!

Damage inc

funt cucker wrote: »

This probably why they spend so much time in Asia, Australia and now China, all booming economies.

they just did a few gigs in the likes of Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia for the first tie in 20 years and only the second time in their careers.

They played China a few months ago for the first time ever whereas other bands have been going there for years.

They played Aus/NZ in 2010 on the Death magnetic run and again this year for the Soundwave festival. Before that it was 2004

Hardly spending so much time now is it!!

Damage inc

funt cucker wrote: »

Of course, that's why we'll never see them here until the next economic cycle. By that time they will probably have retired, Kirk said he's itching to take a couple of years off. He's on record saying he's a pain in his nuts touring to make money, it's not like the "old" days where you release an album and reap the rewards.

It's just going through the motions for him anyway.

They will be back in Ireland on the world tour for the next record. Nothing to do with the economic cycle

They would probably have played here in the last year or two if there was a decent festival that would book them

Damage inc

St. Jimmy wrote: »

http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/metallica-to-cross-another-frontier-in-december/



oooooh. I wonder what it is....... and how much money they'll make from it.

this is an idiotic comment...so every other band in the world makes no money from whatever they do

jack presley

Damage inc wrote: »

They will be back in Ireland on the world tour for the next record. Nothing to do with the economic cycle

They would probably have played here in the last year or two if there was a decent festival that would book them

A few years back they brought forward a European tour by a year because the economy in Europe was tanking and they they thought that if they stuck to the original plan tickets wouldn't sell as well because there wouldn't be as much disposable income around. It was one of their mangers who said it in an interview. I've no link but I'm sure it'd be easy enough to find.

Edit - found link

http://www.clashmusic.com/news/metallica-vs-the-recession

jack presley

Damage inc wrote: »

this is an idiotic comment...so every other band in the world makes no money from whatever they do

Of course they do. But look at the link in my post above. I don't think many other bands see themselves as a product like Coca Cola. It also says they are picking their touring locations on profitability which is something you said wasn't the case earlier.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of big Metallica fans here. We'd all just prefer if they, at least publicly, acted like they're a band and not a business.

King George VI

Damage inc wrote: »

this is an idiotic comment...so every other band in the world makes no money from whatever they do

Metallica aren't a band anymore, they're a brand. Just like Kiss. Seriously, what heavy metal band needs they're own brand of pinball machine? They haven't made a record in 5 years, the last one was 5 years before that.

Metallicorp is a company. Companies are primarily about making a profit and these days albums don't make much money, whereas long-ass tours and annual festivals and 3D movies and pinball machines do.

I love Metallica. Regardless of what they do I'll support it. But for christs sake start the damn album!!

Devilman40k

St. Jimmy wrote: »

They haven't made a record in 5 years, the last one was 5 years before that.

but there's no money in making albums, touring is where it's at, they have to fund $20m 3D movies somehow

stefan idiot jones

The sooner they ditch that Danish financial advisor and recruit the God that is Lombardo the better.
Can you just imagine what that would sound like ?

King George VI

Devilman40k wrote: »

but there's no money in making albums, touring is where it's at, they have to fund $20m 3D movies somehow

All of this money floating around and Lars still can't afford a decent hair-piece.

Mental Mickey

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

The sooner they ditch that Danish financial advisor and recruit the God that is Lombardo the better.
Can you just imagine what that would sound like ?

A) Music is a business
Lars ain't gonna be fired from his own band, now, is he?

Devilman40k

Mental Mickey wrote: »

A) Music is a business
Lars ain't gonna be fired from his own band, now, is he

That he owns the name and trademark of

hidinginthebush

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

The sooner they ditch that Danish financial advisor and recruit the God that is Lombardo the better.
Can you just imagine what that would sound like ?

Like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNn-NK8APXk

Ash.J.Williams

Damage inc wrote: »

The only South American tour they cancelled was back in 2003 during the St Anger world tour. Rumours at the time that Hetfield fell off the wagon or came close to it and needed a break for a few weeks

They played Marley park in 2008 and 2009 as part of the Death magnetic tour. Nothing strange there. They also played Ireland in 03/04 as part of the St Anger World tour and again in 06 as part of a European run.

Dont think they were sitting in HQ one day thinking the euro was going to collapse so lets go play Ireland!!

it's not their call...Q prime make those decisions.
here's one article i found without any effort at all...it covers my point pretty much, i'll find the specific article.

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-features/61250-metallica-races-the-collapse-of-the-euro


We're a US export the same way Coca-Cola is. We look for the best markets."
peter mensch

Ash.J.Williams

Damage inc wrote: »

They will be back in Ireland on the world tour for the next record. Nothing to do with the economic cycle

They would probably have played here in the last year or two if there was a decent festival that would book them

that's different...touring an album is what it is....

jack presley

I know Metallica get a lot of slagging on these pages (me included) about being a business first and a band second but to be fair I think this movie thing was done for the love of it and not because it would make them money. Apparently they put up the money themselves and knew it would be very hard to break even but went ahead with it anyway because it was something they wanted to do.

I read that a typical rule of thumb for films is that to break even it needs to gross twice what it cost to produce so for TTN, it'll need to gross around $36m. After 3 weeks the figures for the states are only $3m so unless it does really well overseas or sells a shed load when it comes out on DVD, they're not going to be adding much to their retirement funds.

Damage inc

jack presley wrote: »

Of course they do. But look at the link in my post above. I don't think many other bands see themselves as a product like Coca Cola. It also says they are picking their touring locations on profitability which is something you said wasn't the case earlier.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of big Metallica fans here. We'd all just prefer if they, at least publicly, acted like they're a band and not a business.

i think every bands management company would see them as a product weather the band likes it or not.

I remember that interview with Peter Mensh being on Sky News.

In fairness when they have a world tour they will play everywhere but when its one off shows for a few weeks every summer then i suppose they think where they can make the most money

In fairness though they have played pretty much everywhere (South Africa, UAE,India, SE Asia, AUS, Europe) in the last two years so its not like they are picking one market and milking it dry.

Damage inc

St. Jimmy wrote: »

Metallica aren't a band anymore, they're a brand. Just like Kiss. Seriously, what heavy metal band needs they're own brand of pinball machine? They haven't made a record in 5 years, the last one was 5 years before that.

Metallicorp is a company. Companies are primarily about making a profit and these days albums don't make much money, whereas long-ass tours and annual festivals and 3D movies and pinball machines do.

I love Metallica. Regardless of what they do I'll support it. But for christs sake start the damn album!!

Fair enough!!..id love a new Album sooner rather than later but are Slayer not a band either as they have a huge line of band merchandise (even a chrismas jumper) and are run by a management company for profit? Somethings gotta pay for the mansions that the Slayer lads live in too

hidinginthebush

Damage inc wrote: »

Fair enough!!..id love a new Album sooner rather than later but are Slayer not a band either as they have a huge line of band merchandise (even a chrismas jumper) and are run by a management company for profit? Somethings gotta pay for the mansions that the Slayer lads live in too

Not to mention there's no Jeff anymore and its just not the same without Lombardo

scudzilla

Damage inc wrote: »

Fair enough!!..id love a new Album sooner rather than later but are Slayer not a band either as they have a huge line of band merchandise (even a chrismas jumper) and are run by a management company for profit? Somethings gotta pay for the mansions that the Slayer lads live in too

Tom does NOT live in a mansion!!!

King George VI

Damage inc wrote: »

Fair enough!!..id love a new Album sooner rather than later but are Slayer not a band either as they have a huge line of band merchandise (even a chrismas jumper) and are run by a management company for profit? Somethings gotta pay for the mansions that the Slayer lads live in too

I'm sickened by that Christmas jumper. But by golly is it adorable.

Degag

scudzilla wrote: »

Tom does NOT live in a mansion!!!

Nah, just a multi-thousand acre ranch!!!!

Slayer were awesome in June when I saw them. Yeah, it was a pity to be without Dave and especially Jeff but Holt and Bostaph are good replacements. I think people forget how good a drummer Bostaph is! And yeah, Lombardo would be great in Metallica, it just isn't going to happen.

KH25

Saw Through the Never last night. The concert itself was great and the sound was incredible. The drums and bass were mixed so well. The plot was laughable though.

King George VI

KH25 wrote: »

Saw Through the Never last night. The concert itself was great and the sound was incredible. The drums and bass were mixed so well. The plot was laughable though.

So laughable that the entire audience broke into hysterical laughter when I saw it.

KH25

St. Jimmy wrote: »

So laughable that the entire audience broke into hysterical laughter when I saw it.

Didn't happen last night but myself and my friend were just sitting there like WTF was that? Loved Orion at the end though.

Damage inc

scudzilla wrote: »

Tom does NOT live in a mansion!!!

id say he lives in a bigger house than any of us and if he had sold as many records as Metallica he'd be living in just as big a house as them.

My point being is that all bands are essentially a business run by people looking to make as much profit as possible.Dont understand why Metallica get more stick than Slayer for example for bringing out a xmas jumper

I know everyone has this romantic idea of Metallica from 1984 all living together in some ****hole in the East Bay and getting drunk every night but people grow up and things change

villains77

has anyone seen the film yet any use. was thinking of going see it tmrrw in cineworld

seachto7

Playing at Glastonbury 2014

Mushy

seachto7 wrote: »

Playing at Glastonbury 2014

Nope Lars says they want to. I think they'd be laughed off stage at that fest too.