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hidinginthebush

Lithium93_ wrote: »

James & Dave writing songs together would've been the metal equivalent of Jagger/Richards, and The Black Album through to Death Magnetic would've sounded drastically different.... As much as a knob Dave can be there's no denying the man is talented

I can see your side alright, sure look at what they did with KEA when they were only 18 or so. But I'm afraid of this hypothetical world where we'd possibly loose MoP and AJFA!

Edit: 2000th post :high five:

Lithium93_

hidinginthebush wrote: »

I can see your side alright, sure look at what they did with KEA when they were only 18 or so. But I'm afraid of this hypothetical world where we'd possibly loose MoP and AJFA!

Edit: 2000th post :high five:

Alright let's think hypothetical for a second and i'll rephrase my question, would Metallica have had the same success had Dave remained & Cliff wasn't tragically killed in September 1986.



congrats on post #2000 btw

Ash.J.Williams

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Alright let's think hypothetical for a second and i'll rephrase my question, would Metallica have had the same success had Dave remained & Cliff wasn't tragically killed in September 1986.



congrats on post #2000 btw

Cliff would have been an interesting situation, some say he would have been the first to move away from the thrash scene which would have made AJFA slightly different!

nyarlothothep

hidinginthebush wrote: »

Are you not contradicting what he just said? Maybe you only think the 90's were the last great decade of music because you had more time to listen to music then?

I know I'd hold the same opinion as yourself, but I'd also be fully aware of the fact that I don't buy an album, sit down and listen to the whole thing, again and again, then repeat the process with friends. So I'm not really exposed to new music now, and anything that I am exposed to, if I don't like it instantly, I probably just won't bother. just part of growing old I guess "I used to be with it etc."


Tame Impala, Royal Blood off the top of my head

I do listen to "new" stuff but it's invariably from the last decade or 20 years ago. Tame Impala are the psychedelic band from Australia? They're ok. I was wrong though, there are two 10s great bands, Animals as Leaders and Armenian Space Station. I'm just thinking there was so much more of a buzz back in the 90s, I remember seeing/listening to The Prodigy, Nirvana, Radiohead, Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, NIN, alternative broke into the mainstream and it was good. But now the mainstream is horribly corporate and very homogenised, more than ever before, there are good bands out there but they're suppressed and very difficult to find. I also think there is just less of a creative atmosphere so there are less truly outstanding albums/songs but the creative environment is moribund due to the excessive commercialisation of music. I don't listen to the charts or the music channels anymore, everything they play I just don't like, I'm still young but I couldn't be more out of sync with the current zeitgeist, it's like it's the 1950s or 1930s-1940s, ie neither fun, enjoyable or cool, and I would say in the defence of the 1950s that there was an element of cool and ditto for the 1930s, not so much the 1940s which just sucked.

People nowadays just want sh1t music, they can't even recognise what's self evidently good anymore, I blame technology, smart phones etc, they just want this instant gratification fix and the fix is usually not that enjoyable to begin with. Techological distractions also work against learning a art, eg music, painting etc. The internet has done more harm and than good for music, people expect the time, effort and money a musician puts into their craft for free and this has the knock on effect of labels becoming even more conservative in what they put out. Also yes the whole distraction/adhd aspect of it, I don't think this was as big a thing in the 00s but it definately is now and it sucks. Life was better, simpler before the internet. Anyway rant over, I'm aware this is a Metallica thread so I'll just say with the benefit of hindsight Lars was a genius to sue Napster.:D

Ash.J.Williams

We've given the world Kodaline and the script, that's unforgivable.

Ash.J.Williams

TAME impala is right...they're not even hiding the fact they're tame...it's like they took stoner rock and packaged it nicely for kids...

nyarlothothep

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

We've given the world Kodaline and the script, that's unforgivable.

Yeah exactly, add The Stripes, I wouldn't dirty my guitar playing that Artic Monkeys sh1t! Whereas in the 70s you had Thin Lizzy (greatest Irish rock band of all time). Primordial aren't bad and don't get any recognition in Ireland which says a lot about Ireland, the land of not rocking out. I think the spirit of rock is now primarily invested in metal or underground rock, what passes for mainstream rock, which is mostly indie, these days is not rock, it lacks attitude.

slavetothegrind

three words my lovecraftian friend about attitude

BLACK STONE CHERRY

hidinginthebush

slavetothegrind wrote: »

three words my lovecraftian friend about attitude

BLACK STONE CHERRY

Would they not be more 2000's than 2010 though.

Great band all the same

Lithium93_

More procrastination

http://www.revolvermag.com/news/its-on-lars-ulrich-accepts-will-ferrell-and-rhcp-drummer-chad-smiths-drum-battle-challenge.html

hidinginthebush

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I do listen to "new" stuff but it's invariably from the last decade or 20 years ago. Tame Impala are the psychedelic band from Australia? They're ok. I was wrong though, there are two 10s great bands, Animals as Leaders and Armenian Space Station. I'm just thinking there was so much more of a buzz back in the 90s, I remember seeing/listening to The Prodigy, Nirvana, Radiohead, Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, NIN, alternative broke into the mainstream and it was good. But now the mainstream is horribly corporate and very homogenised, more than ever before, there are good bands out there but they're suppressed and very difficult to find. I also think there is just less of a creative atmosphere so there are less truly outstanding albums/songs but the creative environment is moribund due to the excessive commercialisation of music. I don't listen to the charts or the music channels anymore, everything they play I just don't like, I'm still young but I couldn't be more out of sync with the current zeitgeist, it's like it's the 1950s or 1930s-1940s, ie neither fun, enjoyable or cool, and I would say in the defence of the 1950s that there was an element of cool and ditto for the 1930s, not so much the 1940s which just sucked.

People nowadays just want sh1t music, they can't even recognise what's self evidently good anymore, I blame technology, smart phones etc, they just want this instant gratification fix and the fix is usually not that enjoyable to begin with. Techological distractions also work against learning a art, eg music, painting etc. The internet has done more harm and than good for music, people expect the time, effort and money a musician puts into their craft for free and this has the knock on effect of labels becoming even more conservative in what they put out. Also yes the whole distraction/adhd aspect of it, I don't think this was as big a thing in the 00s but it definately is now and it sucks. Life was better, simpler before the internet. Anyway rant over, I'm aware this is a Metallica thread so I'll just say with the benefit of hindsight Lars was a genius to sue Napster.:D

Well put. I agree with all of this.

jack presley

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Life was better, simpler before the internet.

Yeah, the pen & paper Boards was much more fun!

ush

nyarlothothep wrote: »

People nowadays just want sh1t music, they can't even recognise what's self evidently good anymore, I blame technology, smart phones etc, they just want this instant gratification fix and the fix is usually not that enjoyable to begin with.

I blame gramophones.

Ash.J.Williams

Not much love in the glasto thread for the boys

Lithium93_

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Not much love in the glasto thread for the boys

Metallica will lay waste to Glastonbury and convert a few people while there at it.

SilverScreen

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I do listen to "new" stuff but it's invariably from the last decade or 20 years ago. Tame Impala are the psychedelic band from Australia? They're ok. I was wrong though, there are two 10s great bands, Animals as Leaders and Armenian Space Station. I'm just thinking there was so much more of a buzz back in the 90s, I remember seeing/listening to The Prodigy, Nirvana, Radiohead, Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, NIN, alternative broke into the mainstream and it was good. But now the mainstream is horribly corporate and very homogenised, more than ever before, there are good bands out there but they're suppressed and very difficult to find. I also think there is just less of a creative atmosphere so there are less truly outstanding albums/songs but the creative environment is moribund due to the excessive commercialisation of music. I don't listen to the charts or the music channels anymore, everything they play I just don't like, I'm still young but I couldn't be more out of sync with the current zeitgeist, it's like it's the 1950s or 1930s-1940s, ie neither fun, enjoyable or cool, and I would say in the defence of the 1950s that there was an element of cool and ditto for the 1930s, not so much the 1940s which just sucked.

People nowadays just want sh1t music, they can't even recognise what's self evidently good anymore, I blame technology, smart phones etc, they just want this instant gratification fix and the fix is usually not that enjoyable to begin with. Techological distractions also work against learning a art, eg music, painting etc. The internet has done more harm and than good for music, people expect the time, effort and money a musician puts into their craft for free and this has the knock on effect of labels becoming even more conservative in what they put out. Also yes the whole distraction/adhd aspect of it, I don't think this was as big a thing in the 00s but it definately is now and it sucks. Life was better, simpler before the internet. Anyway rant over, I'm aware this is a Metallica thread so I'll just say with the benefit of hindsight Lars was a genius to sue Napster.:D

Mainstream music in the 90's was corporate crap as well. I can hear the novelty dance-pop songs in my head right now. Even so-called 'alternative' rock bands such as Stone Temple Pilots and Creed were gash. Bands who got lucky when the major labels decided to cash in.

nyarlothothep

SilverScreen wrote: »

Mainstream music in the 90's was corporate crap as well. I can hear the novelty dance-pop songs in my head right now. Even so-called 'alternative' rock bands such as Stone Temple Pilots and Creed were gash. Bands who got lucky when the major labels decided to cash in.

Ok, but I remember the 00s and it was sh1t but it was nowhere near as sh1t as it is now. The zeitgeist of the mids 80s was asshole ie yuppie assholes, and it sucked, now it's mega assholes and it sucks even more! I remember the 90s and they were vastly superior to the tripe that is the 10s, just in every respect, when you have filmmakers saying the film industry is sh1t and the music industry being so undeniably rubbish then it says something about the cultural climate of this decade. It's not what it used to be, it's even more dominated than it was by the corporate beancounter mindset and something has got to give because art isn't about sales, it's about aesthetic merit and the more that is lost the more people demand for it at an unconscious level until it simmers and erupts into a revolution of consciousness like you had with the breakout of alternative rock into the mainstream in the 90s.

SilverScreen

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Ok, but I remember the 00s and it was sh1t but it was nowhere near as sh1t as it is now. The zeitgeist of the mids 80s was asshole ie yuppie assholes, and it sucked, now it's mega assholes and it sucks even more! I remember the 90s and they were vastly superior to the tripe that is the 10s, just in every respect, when you have filmmakers saying the film industry is sh1t and the music industry being so undeniably rubbish then it says something about the cultural climate of this decade. It's not what it used to be, it's even more dominated than it was by the corporate beancounter mindset and something has got to give because art isn't about sales, it's about aesthetic merit and the more that is lost the more people demand for it at an unconscious level until it simmers and erupts into a revolution of consciousness like you had with the breakout of alternative rock into the mainstream in the 90s.

Even if mainstream music in this decade is worse, then that's down to there being less major labels than there was in the 90's and less people controlling what gets heard. Not the fault of the people or the artists, major labels are businesses after all with the aim of making a profit no matter what.

The problem with this decade is that we are only half-way through it and we are no way in a position to look back with rose-tinted glasses and assess it like we do the 90's, 80's, 70's etc. It would be a different story in 20 or 30's years when time has put a different spin on the decade.

You seem to be fixated on mainstream music, which only represents a small portion of music. I think music away from the mainstream is as good as it's ever been. It doesn't matter if you're looking for some metal, electronic, hip-hop or indie, there's always some good stuff to be found. What I do like about music in general these days is that genres no longer have rigid boundaries. For example, who could imagine black metal being blended with shoegaze in 1991?

I also think that the breakout of alternative rock in the 90's killed alternative rock. I hate to point a finger at a band but I blame Pearl Jam to an extent. Even though I like Ten and Vs, I think that they opened the gateway for a lot of awful rock bands to come out of America. Eventually we ended up with Nickelback and Staind. Usually genres become dilluted and die after they hit the mainstream, the same thing happened with emo in the early 00's. The moral of this story is forget about the mainstream.

Vaxxine

SilverScreen wrote: »

Even so-called 'alternative' rock bands such as Stone Temple Pilots and Creed were gash. Bands who got lucky when the major labels decided to cash in.

Don't diss STP!

nyarlothothep

SilverScreen wrote: »

Even if mainstream music in this decade is worse, then that's down to there being less major labels than there was in the 90's and less people controlling what gets heard. Not the fault of the people or the artists, major labels are businesses after all with the aim of making a profit no matter what.

The problem with this decade is that we are only half-way through it and we are no way in a position to look back with rose-tinted glasses and assess it like we do the 90's, 80's, 70's etc. It would be a different story in 20 or 30's years when time has put a different spin on the decade.

You seem to be fixated on mainstream music, which only represents a small portion of music. I think music away from the mainstream is as good as it's ever been. It doesn't matter if you're looking for some metal, electronic, hip-hop or indie, there's always some good stuff to be found. What I do like about music in general these days is that genres no longer have rigid boundaries. For example, who could imagine black metal being blended with shoegaze in 1991?

I also think that the breakout of alternative rock in the 90's killed alternative rock. I hate to point a finger at a band but I blame Pearl Jam to an extent. Even though I like Ten and Vs, I think that they opened the gateway for a lot of awful rock bands to come out of America. Eventually we ended up with Nickelback and Staind. Usually genres become dilluted and die after they hit the mainstream, the same thing happened with emo in the early 00's. The moral of this story is forget about the mainstream.

But we live in the mainstream nearly all the time, we're surrounded by it, does it not feel better when the mainstream of the era is more open, vibrant and pluralistic? The majors control what gets heard more or less, a thousand and one bands can build small fanbases but they're unlikely to be found. Even medium sized, established labels have more influence. People have shortened attention spans as highlighted in by that dude in Kasabian and the internet has definately facilitated that, it's a perfect complimentary device to instant gratification consumer culture, think not too much, just buy, enjoy now! That can be catered to with a certain formula. I can't think of any band that has had a profound impact on me. For example Opeth, Reverend Bizarre, The Mars Volta are all bands from the last decade. Looking back over 4 years of music I can only say Animals as Leaders and Amernian Space Station (the latter band are so obscure I discovered them by luck through soundcloud) are what impressed me but they haven't had the same impact. So in this sense the internet has been useful in facilitating the discovery of music I wouldn't have come across otherwise. But still...there is something lacking in the current zeitgeist, it's like an analogue of the 30s/40s, the spirit of rock has waned and has been replaced by "pleasant" music. Also I think that's the way with every genre, it wasn't just alt rock in the 90s that got co-opted. One can live in a non-mainstream cultural environment but the mainstream encircles it, you can't escape it, whereever you go you will find the mainstream and when every facet of the mainstream, film, games, music is unimaginative, inauthentic/insincere and so on, then you're being bombarded with an overarching message that is against everything you value about art, culture and society. You are left with an alternative, yes, but one which is anemic because small bands can't transcend beyond their niche and the rise of so many different sub cultures through the internet means that everything remains divided and ineffectual. The mainstream fills that gap.

tldr; I love the 90s, information technology should have stopped in 1996.

Lithium93_

I wonder will Metallica release the other 2 unreleased songs from the Death Magnetic sessions, or hold on to them & rework them for album #10

StaticAge11

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I wonder will Metallica release the other 2 unreleased songs from the Death Magnetic sessions, or hold on to them & rework them for album #10

Only 14 songs were recorded for DM, as far as im aware. This is coming from reading interviews, Metclub and MissionMetallica

Lithium93_

StaticAge11 wrote: »

Only 14 songs were recorded for DM, as far as im aware. This is coming from reading interviews, Metclub and MissionMetallica

Didn't they play The New Song & The Other New Song 8 years ago, or were parts of those songs used on the album

Devilman40k

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Didn't they play The New Song & The Other New Song 8 years ago, or were parts of those songs used on the album

They became parts of the other songs on Death Magnetic.

Ash.J.Williams

Devilman40k wrote: »

They became parts of the other songs on Death Magnetic.

yeah they were two sh1te songs and riffs were taken from them and used on DM.

Lithium93_

WHY LORDS OF SUMMER OFFERS HOPE FOR METALLICA'S FUTURE

https://metalhammer.teamrock.com/features/2014-06-20/why-lords-of-summer-offers-hope-for-metallica-s-future

lord lucan

Johnwayne98

Vaxxine wrote: »

Don't diss STP!

Lord Lucan,would you ever go and get a life for yourself.

Johnwayne98

Johnwayne98 wrote: »

Lord Lucan,would you ever go and get a life for yourself.

Oops! I feel a ban coming on.

lord lucan

Johnwayne98 wrote: »

Lord Lucan,would you ever go and get a life for yourself.

Not entirely sure why you Involved me as it's not me you quoted?!

If you're baiting me in order to get banned I'll happily oblige.